Case Keenum

[Pondering Her Percy]

Case wouldn’t either. He’s “won” once in 8 years

And Kirk never

He got to the playoffs in 2015. Very similar to Keenum in the sense that Kirk was a one and done and Keenum would have been to if it wasn’t for a miracle. Point is, just because Keenum had 1 winning season as our QB doesn’t mean he should be our QB now.

[CharVike]

He’s been bad one game

I wouldnt call week 1 "good". Again, I have seen all I need to see. Check my posts, i defended him when most wanted his head last season. However, my eye test is complete. He doesn't have it and is incapable of leading us to the promise land. Even if we make the playoffs, we will need to play perfect ball to have a shot of winning

You're right if we make the playoffs our team like most will need to play perfect ball. Very few teams get to the Super Bowl when they play horrible in a playoff game. They usually get dumped. I thought week 1 was great. We dominated a good team. We played the way we wanted to. Pound the ball and we did it great. Played solid D. A great team effort across the board. Many seemed pissed with so few pass attempts. I thought it was perfect. Some even made some funny remarks about playing like the early 70s Phins. I thought it was a great idea. Solid D and pound the ball. That's us. That's how we can win. If our D collapses we won't beat a good team. If we don't use our strength, ground game, we won't beat a good team.

[CharVike]

I wouldnt call week 1 "good". Again, I have seen all I need to see. Check my posts, i defended him when most wanted his head last season. However, my eye test is complete. He doesn't have it and is incapable of leading us to the promise land. Even if we make the playoffs, we will need to play perfect ball to have a shot of winning

You're right if we make the playoffs our team like most will need to play perfect ball. Very few teams get to the Super Bowl when they play horrible in a playoff game. They usually get dumped. I thought week 1 was great. We dominated a good team. We played the way we wanted to. Pound the ball and we did it great. Played solid D. A great team effort across the board. Many seemed pissed with so few pass attempts. I thought it was perfect. Some even made some funny remarks about playing like the early 70s Phins. I thought it was a great idea. Solid D and pound the ball. That's us. That's how we can win. If our D collapses we won't beat a good team. If we don't use our strength, ground game, we won't beat a good team.

That's what we saw against the Pack. Our D collapsed early and we stopped using our strong ground game. We got cute at the end and lost.

[YikesVikes]

I wouldnt call week 1 "good". Again, I have seen all I need to see. Check my posts, i defended him when most wanted his head last season. However, my eye test is complete. He doesn't have it and is incapable of leading us to the promise land. Even if we make the playoffs, we will need to play perfect ball to have a shot of winning

You're right if we make the playoffs our team like most will need to play perfect ball. Very few teams get to the Super Bowl when they play horrible in a playoff game. They usually get dumped. I thought week 1 was great. We dominated a good team. We played the way we wanted to. Pound the ball and we did it great. Played solid D. A great team effort across the board. Many seemed pissed with so few pass attempts. I thought it was perfect. Some even made some funny remarks about playing like the early 70s Phins. I thought it was a great idea. Solid D and pound the ball. That's us. That's how we can win. If our D collapses we won't beat a good team. If we don't use our strength, ground game, we won't beat a good team.

A good team can win multiple ways. Our team can only win one way so far. Can we win a shootout with the Chiefs? In the playoffs things do not go perfect for winning teams, they find ways to pull wins out.

[YikesVikes]

And Kirk never

He got to the playoffs in 2015. Very similar to Keenum in the sense that Kirk was a one and done and Keenum would have been to if it wasn’t for a miracle. Point is, just because Keenum had 1 winning season as our QB doesn’t mean he should be our QB now.

I never said he SHOULD be our QB. I said we need a new QB and he is one of the cheapest VIABLE alternatives.

[Pondering Her Percy]

He got to the playoffs in 2015. Very similar to Keenum in the sense that Kirk was a one and done and Keenum would have been to if it wasn’t for a miracle. Point is, just because Keenum had 1 winning season as our QB doesn’t mean he should be our QB now.

I never said he SHOULD be our QB. I said we need a new QB and he is one of the cheapest VIABLE alternatives.

Lol so you’re implying that you would like him to be? What is case Keenum going to do for us? He’s not getting us to the promise land I can guarantee that. If the option is to draft a QB, well that can’t happen until next offseason. Nothing we can do about it now. Case is not going to be back on this team. Nor are we going to panic after one bad game that was a team effort or lack thereof.

Going cheap at quarterback rarely works out. Especially with a guy like Keenum who has been a career backup/stop gap for most of his career. Are you going to tell me the Vikings were wrong letting him go, the broncos were wrong letting him go and the redskins (sooner than later) were wrong in letting him go? If the guy is good or can be good, why do teams keep dumping him? Because he’s not good. And I don’t think he’s a viable option. I just see too much luck in 2017. Too many lobs that worked out for him. Too many situations that fell his way. The OL playing better than expected. The OC being better than anything we’ve had as of late. The running game being successful. The special teams being better than it has been the last 2 years. The defense being #1 in the nfl. The cupcake schedule he faced. It was a year of luck driven success for him. I’ve seen the guy play far too many times and I’ve seen far too much below average play.

Not a soul has answered this yet and I’ve mentioned it more than once. But how do you think he would have done in flips pass heavy system?? An OC that put the weight on the QBs shoulders. An OC that refused to run the ball. The guy would have been a train wreck.

He was a train wreck in Denver. With a good defense, Philip Lindsay, demaryius Thomas (for part of the year), sanders and Sutton. There was no reason he shouldn’t have had at least some success last year. He nearly had a 1:1 TD:Int ratio, was beat by 3 of the worst teams in the nfl and went 6-10. He came back to earth is what he did. The luck was gone for him. And it showed.

[YikesVikes]

I never said he SHOULD be our QB. I said we need a new QB and he is one of the cheapest VIABLE alternatives.

Lol so you’re implying that you would like him to be? What is case Keenum going to do for us? He’s not getting us to the promise land I can guarantee that. If the option is to draft a QB, well that can’t happen until next offseason. Nothing we can do about it now. Case is not going to be back on this team. Nor are we going to panic after one bad game that was a team effort or lack thereof.

Going cheap at quarterback rarely works out. Especially with a guy like Keenum who has been a career backup/stop gap for most of his career. Are you going to tell me the Vikings were wrong letting him go, the broncos were wrong letting him go and the redskins (sooner than later) were wrong in letting him go? If the guy is good or can be good, why do teams keep dumping him? Because he’s not good. And I don’t think he’s a viable option. I just see too much luck in 2017. Too many lobs that worked out for him. Too many situations that fell his way. The OL playing better than expected. The OC being better than anything we’ve had as of late. The running game being successful. The special teams being better than it has been the last 2 years. The defense being #1 in the nfl. The cupcake schedule he faced. It was a year of luck driven success for him. I’ve seen the guy play far too many times and I’ve seen far too much below average play.

Not a soul has answered this yet and I’ve mentioned it more than once. But how do you think he would have done in flips pass heavy system?? An OC that put the weight on the QBs shoulders. An OC that refused to run the ball. The guy would have been a train wreck.

He was a train wreck in Denver. With a good defense, Philip Lindsay, demaryius Thomas (for part of the year), sanders and Sutton. There was no reason he shouldn’t have had at least some success last year. He nearly had a 1:1 TD:Int ratio, was beat by 3 of the worst teams in the nfl and went 6-10. He came back to earth is what he did. The luck was gone for him. And it showed.

So much of what you said it wrong.
1. We didn't face a cup-cake schedule in 2017. In fact, it was one of the hardest. NFC South and AFC East. We also played the Rams. Thats Atl, Saints, Panthers, Rams, Steelers, Ravens. That's 6 of 10 games against top notch teams.

2. If he has come back to Earth, why does his stats look as good as he does. No matter how you spin it, he is playing better than Kirk at this point. I see it continuing. I think Kirk is broken. He will have a flash here or there but the guy has the Yipes and will have the worst season of his career. Say what you want about Case, no moment was too big for him. His confidence never wavered and his teammates believed in him. I can tell you that Kirk is well-liked but he is not a Leader in the locker room.

3. Flips system is QB friendly. I think he would have performed well, I dont think he would have put up as many yards or tds as Kirk. However, I think we would have made playoffs. Case avoids the rush much better than Kirk. I can't think of a game we would have lost that we won last season with him. I think we beat Buffalo with him.

4. I am not a Case truther. I mentioned him like I would have mentioned any QB that we could have and be under the cap. That fact remains, he is the only viable QB that could be available and fit our QB cap. I have given up on Kirk. Its not because of this one game but because I have seen enough. I know a guy who doesnt have it and is trying to convince himself and others that he is something he is not. He doesnt believe and as a result, he will always faulter. You eventually will see it.

[CharVike]

Lol so you’re implying that you would like him to be? What is case Keenum going to do for us? He’s not getting us to the promise land I can guarantee that. If the option is to draft a QB, well that can’t happen until next offseason. Nothing we can do about it now. Case is not going to be back on this team. Nor are we going to panic after one bad game that was a team effort or lack thereof.

Going cheap at quarterback rarely works out. Especially with a guy like Keenum who has been a career backup/stop gap for most of his career. Are you going to tell me the Vikings were wrong letting him go, the broncos were wrong letting him go and the redskins (sooner than later) were wrong in letting him go? If the guy is good or can be good, why do teams keep dumping him? Because he’s not good. And I don’t think he’s a viable option. I just see too much luck in 2017. Too many lobs that worked out for him. Too many situations that fell his way. The OL playing better than expected. The OC being better than anything we’ve had as of late. The running game being successful. The special teams being better than it has been the last 2 years. The defense being #1 in the nfl. The cupcake schedule he faced. It was a year of luck driven success for him. I’ve seen the guy play far too many times and I’ve seen far too much below average play.

Not a soul has answered this yet and I’ve mentioned it more than once. But how do you think he would have done in flips pass heavy system?? An OC that put the weight on the QBs shoulders. An OC that refused to run the ball. The guy would have been a train wreck.

He was a train wreck in Denver. With a good defense, Philip Lindsay, demaryius Thomas (for part of the year), sanders and Sutton. There was no reason he shouldn’t have had at least some success last year. He nearly had a 1:1 TD:Int ratio, was beat by 3 of the worst teams in the nfl and went 6-10. He came back to earth is what he did. The luck was gone for him. And it showed.

So much of what you said it wrong.
1. We didn't face a cup-cake schedule in 2017. In fact, it was one of the hardest. NFC South and AFC East. We also played the Rams. Thats Atl, Saints, Panthers, Rams, Steelers, Ravens. That's 6 of 10 games against top notch teams.

2. If he has come back to Earth, why does his stats look as good as he does. No matter how you spin it, he is playing better than Kirk at this point. I see it continuing. I think Kirk is broken. He will have a flash here or there but the guy has the Yipes and will have the worst season of his career. Say what you want about Case, no moment was too big for him. His confidence never wavered and his teammates believed in him. I can tell you that Kirk is well-liked but he is not a Leader in the locker room.

3. Flips system is QB friendly. I think he would have performed well, I dont think he would have put up as many yards or tds as Kirk. However, I think we would have made playoffs. Case avoids the rush much better than Kirk. I can't think of a game we would have lost that we won last season with him. I think we beat Buffalo with him.

4. I am not a Case truther. I mentioned him like I would have mentioned any QB that we could have and be under the cap. That fact remains, he is the only viable QB that could be available and fit our QB cap. I have given up on Kirk. Its not because of this one game but because I have seen enough. I know a guy who doesnt have it and is trying to convince himself and others that he is something he is not. He doesnt believe and as a result, he will always faulter. You eventually will see it.

We needed a QB since Fran retired. No luck yet. No moment was to big for Case? Do you know what he did in the NFC champ game? Cousins is a middle of the road guy. Case is a guy no team wants. Jimmy G has a big contract. What has he done. Nothing. You act like we have a Super Bowl roster. Unfortunately we don't at this point. If Zims D played like the Bears D we would have a chance. But our D isn't close to that D. We needed to stop the Pack at the end and couldn't do it. Zim allowed them to get 1st downs. But that's Kirk's fault. Case can beat any team IYO but he's 0-2 this year. That to you is better. Today our D will look like the best that ever played. We needed that against the Pack and they couldn't do it. Last season Griffen tank it which lead to the Bills lose and he takes plenty of CAP. He's still here. If our OC let the hot guy pound it in at the end Kirk would have won with a bad game. But our OC sucks. Today he'll put it up 30 + times again. Might as well inactivate Cook.

[fiestavike]

Are you aware that the play they ran is part of the running game?

How is it part of the running game. What does that have to do with chosing that play? The same play we ran 3 times for 0 yards and 3 near sacks? Why use that play?

That bootleg is part of the running game, and it worked pretty marvelously to open lanes for the running game.

[CharVike]

You're right if we make the playoffs our team like most will need to play perfect ball. Very few teams get to the Super Bowl when they play horrible in a playoff game. They usually get dumped. I thought week 1 was great. We dominated a good team. We played the way we wanted to. Pound the ball and we did it great. Played solid D. A great team effort across the board. Many seemed pissed with so few pass attempts. I thought it was perfect. Some even made some funny remarks about playing like the early 70s Phins. I thought it was a great idea. Solid D and pound the ball. That's us. That's how we can win. If our D collapses we won't beat a good team. If we don't use our strength, ground game, we won't beat a good team.

A good team can win multiple ways. Our team can only win one way so far. Can we win a shootout with the Chiefs? In the playoffs things do not go perfect for winning teams, they find ways to pull wins out.

I've never seen a team play like crap and win a playoff game .I've seen us go to NY with an all star cast for a champ game, we were a good team, and played like crap and lost 41-0. That's a good team and they didn't even show up. But maybe we weren't a good team because we couldn't find a way to win. I seen us, 15-1 record, lose at home in the champ game because we played like crap. That was a horrible team that made the playoffs I guess. They couldn't win in multiple ways. Our ST sucked and our QB sucked. This winning "multiple ways" is also a myth. I seen the Phins win the whole thing and just pounded the ball. They won one way but based on your thought process that can never work. That same team got creamed in a Super Bowl the year before because they played like crap. They didn't find a way to pull it out so I guess they were a horrible team. And Shula sucked as a HC. People blaming Cousins are fooling themselves. Cousins is a middle of the road guy. He's not another Rodgers. We can't ride him to the Super Bowl. He's not good enough. We couldn't ride the best Brady to the Super Bowl with this team. Our D isn't good enough for that. The Pats D shut down the Rams in the Super Bowl and Brady got credit for the win. Now Mr stat 0-2 Case is the 2nd coming. He had his chance and failed with us. He didn't show up. Our D didn't show up either. Can we beat the Cheifs? Sure but we better play some D and hold them down. Otherwise Cousins will lose it or get blamed for the lose. Just as people are doing for the Packer lose. Everything else was perfect but Cosuins. Look again.

[Pondering Her Percy]

Lol so you’re implying that you would like him to be? What is case Keenum going to do for us? He’s not getting us to the promise land I can guarantee that. If the option is to draft a QB, well that can’t happen until next offseason. Nothing we can do about it now. Case is not going to be back on this team. Nor are we going to panic after one bad game that was a team effort or lack thereof.

Going cheap at quarterback rarely works out. Especially with a guy like Keenum who has been a career backup/stop gap for most of his career. Are you going to tell me the Vikings were wrong letting him go, the broncos were wrong letting him go and the redskins (sooner than later) were wrong in letting him go? If the guy is good or can be good, why do teams keep dumping him? Because he’s not good. And I don’t think he’s a viable option. I just see too much luck in 2017. Too many lobs that worked out for him. Too many situations that fell his way. The OL playing better than expected. The OC being better than anything we’ve had as of late. The running game being successful. The special teams being better than it has been the last 2 years. The defense being #1 in the nfl. The cupcake schedule he faced. It was a year of luck driven success for him. I’ve seen the guy play far too many times and I’ve seen far too much below average play.

Not a soul has answered this yet and I’ve mentioned it more than once. But how do you think he would have done in flips pass heavy system?? An OC that put the weight on the QBs shoulders. An OC that refused to run the ball. The guy would have been a train wreck.

He was a train wreck in Denver. With a good defense, Philip Lindsay, demaryius Thomas (for part of the year), sanders and Sutton. There was no reason he shouldn’t have had at least some success last year. He nearly had a 1:1 TD:Int ratio, was beat by 3 of the worst teams in the nfl and went 6-10. He came back to earth is what he did. The luck was gone for him. And it showed.

So much of what you said it wrong.
1. We didn't face a cup-cake schedule in 2017. In fact, it was one of the hardest. NFC South and AFC East. We also played the Rams. Thats Atl, Saints, Panthers, Rams, Steelers, Ravens. That's 6 of 10 games against top notch teams.

2. If he has come back to Earth, why does his stats look as good as he does. No matter how you spin it, he is playing better than Kirk at this point. I see it continuing. I think Kirk is broken. He will have a flash here or there but the guy has the Yipes and will have the worst season of his career. Say what you want about Case, no moment was too big for him. His confidence never wavered and his teammates believed in him. I can tell you that Kirk is well-liked but he is not a Leader in the locker room.

3. Flips system is QB friendly. I think he would have performed well, I dont think he would have put up as many yards or tds as Kirk. However, I think we would have made playoffs. Case avoids the rush much better than Kirk. I can't think of a game we would have lost that we won last season with him. I think we beat Buffalo with him.

4. I am not a Case truther. I mentioned him like I would have mentioned any QB that we could have and be under the cap. That fact remains, he is the only viable QB that could be available and fit our QB cap. I have given up on Kirk. Its not because of this one game but because I have seen enough. I know a guy who doesnt have it and is trying to convince himself and others that he is something he is not. He doesnt believe and as a result, he will always faulter. You eventually will see it.

Much of what I said is not wrong at all. We crossed over with the AFC north and NFC south. Case Keenum did not play against the saints. Sam Bradford did. Also, the ravens didn’t even make the playoffs. Case Keenum faced 4 playoff teams in that schedule (panthers, falcons, rams, Steelers) and went 2-2 against them. 4 games out of the 15 he started he played against a playoff team. Last year I believe cousins had 7 playoff teams and 2 packers games with Rodgers. Keenums schedule was the definition of cupcake.

He didn’t play anywhere near as good as Kirk last year. And what, since he’s out performed him in 2 games this year that means he’s worth it? And again, the Atlanta game is a wash. You can’t fault Kirk for throwing 10 times. That game was all about flow and there was no need to pass given how fast we jumped on them.

As for flips offense, it’s QB friendly? Case isn’t a gun slinger that can carry a load on his shoulders. He needs a running game. That showed in 2017. Without Murray and McKinnon, Keenum doesn’t have near the success. Case made plenty of unorthodox lob passes where if he’s throwing 40 times a game in flips offense, he’s bound to make mistake after mistake. Case was beat by 3 of the worst teams in the nfl with Denver. Denver’s defense wasn’t nearly as bad as what it showed last year but Keenum struggled to sustain drives and had his fair share of turnovers. Denver doesn’t have the roster we do but there is no reason they couldn’t have been a 9-7 team at least with a better QB. Flip would have been fired much sooner than week 13 if Keenum was there. Cris carter said it as well. He said if Keenum was their QB they’d be lucky to have 2 wins.

And I guess I’m not sure how you think case is a better leader in the locker room. Like, are you in there? Have you seen reports that cousins isn’t a leader in the locker room. That statement is solely based on assumption. There is no real truth to that

[CharVike]

So much of what you said it wrong.
1. We didn't face a cup-cake schedule in 2017. In fact, it was one of the hardest. NFC South and AFC East. We also played the Rams. Thats Atl, Saints, Panthers, Rams, Steelers, Ravens. That's 6 of 10 games against top notch teams.

2. If he has come back to Earth, why does his stats look as good as he does. No matter how you spin it, he is playing better than Kirk at this point. I see it continuing. I think Kirk is broken. He will have a flash here or there but the guy has the Yipes and will have the worst season of his career. Say what you want about Case, no moment was too big for him. His confidence never wavered and his teammates believed in him. I can tell you that Kirk is well-liked but he is not a Leader in the locker room.

3. Flips system is QB friendly. I think he would have performed well, I dont think he would have put up as many yards or tds as Kirk. However, I think we would have made playoffs. Case avoids the rush much better than Kirk. I can't think of a game we would have lost that we won last season with him. I think we beat Buffalo with him.

4. I am not a Case truther. I mentioned him like I would have mentioned any QB that we could have and be under the cap. That fact remains, he is the only viable QB that could be available and fit our QB cap. I have given up on Kirk. Its not because of this one game but because I have seen enough. I know a guy who doesnt have it and is trying to convince himself and others that he is something he is not. He doesnt believe and as a result, he will always faulter. You eventually will see it.

Much of what I said is not wrong at all. We crossed over with the AFC north and NFC south. Case Keenum did not play against the saints. Sam Bradford did. Also, the ravens didn’t even make the playoffs. Case Keenum faced 4 playoff teams in that schedule (panthers, falcons, rams, Steelers) and went 2-2 against them. 4 games out of the 15 he started he played against a playoff team. Last year I believe cousins had 7 playoff teams and 2 packers games with Rodgers. Keenums schedule was the definition of cupcake.

He didn’t play anywhere near as good as Kirk last year. And what, since he’s out performed him in 2 games this year that means he’s worth it? And again, the Atlanta game is a wash. You can’t fault Kirk for throwing 10 times. That game was all about flow and there was no need to pass given how fast we jumped on them.

As for flips offense, it’s QB friendly? Case isn’t a gun slinger that can carry a load on his shoulders. He needs a running game. That showed in 2017. Without Murray and McKinnon, Keenum doesn’t have near the success. Case made plenty of unorthodox lob passes where if he’s throwing 40 times a game in flips offense, he’s bound to make mistake after mistake. Case was beat by 3 of the worst teams in the nfl with Denver. Denver’s defense wasn’t nearly as bad as what it showed last year but Keenum struggled to sustain drives and had his fair share of turnovers. Denver doesn’t have the roster we do but there is no reason they couldn’t have been a 9-7 team at least with a better QB. Flip would have been fired much sooner than week 13 if Keenum was there. Cris carter said it as well. He said if Keenum was their QB they’d be lucky to have 2 wins.

And I guess I’m not sure how you think case is a better leader in the locker room. Like, are you in there? Have you seen reports that cousins isn’t a leader in the locker room. That statement is solely based on assumption. There is no real truth to that

Don't forget Case went into Green Bay and beat the Packers 16-0 at the end of that season. He got the win. Excellent game by Case I guess. Had nothing to do with no Rodgers and Zim's D tossing a shutout. Case showed his true colors in the NFC champ game. We couldn't score and he had a rating of 63. So much for the leadership. That's why they said see ya later stiff. We were just at Green Bay why didn't we shut them out again? Give up 3 then. That was Cousins fault right? No our D was flat footed right out of the gate. What happened? Maybe Rodgers played. Anyone thinking 0-2 Case is a better option don't understand the game.

[YikesVikes]

So much of what you said it wrong.
1. We didn't face a cup-cake schedule in 2017. In fact, it was one of the hardest. NFC South and AFC East. We also played the Rams. Thats Atl, Saints, Panthers, Rams, Steelers, Ravens. That's 6 of 10 games against top notch teams.

2. If he has come back to Earth, why does his stats look as good as he does. No matter how you spin it, he is playing better than Kirk at this point. I see it continuing. I think Kirk is broken. He will have a flash here or there but the guy has the Yipes and will have the worst season of his career. Say what you want about Case, no moment was too big for him. His confidence never wavered and his teammates believed in him. I can tell you that Kirk is well-liked but he is not a Leader in the locker room.

3. Flips system is QB friendly. I think he would have performed well, I dont think he would have put up as many yards or tds as Kirk. However, I think we would have made playoffs. Case avoids the rush much better than Kirk. I can't think of a game we would have lost that we won last season with him. I think we beat Buffalo with him.

4. I am not a Case truther. I mentioned him like I would have mentioned any QB that we could have and be under the cap. That fact remains, he is the only viable QB that could be available and fit our QB cap. I have given up on Kirk. Its not because of this one game but because I have seen enough. I know a guy who doesnt have it and is trying to convince himself and others that he is something he is not. He doesnt believe and as a result, he will always faulter. You eventually will see it.

Much of what I said is not wrong at all. We crossed over with the AFC north and NFC south. Case Keenum did not play against the saints. Sam Bradford did. Also, the ravens didn’t even make the playoffs. Case Keenum faced 4 playoff teams in that schedule (panthers, falcons, rams, Steelers) and went 2-2 against them. 4 games out of the 15 he started he played against a playoff team. Last year I believe cousins had 7 playoff teams and 2 packers games with Rodgers. Keenums schedule was the definition of cupcake.

He didn’t play anywhere near as good as Kirk last year. And what, since he’s out performed him in 2 games this year that means he’s worth it? And again, the Atlanta game is a wash. You can’t fault Kirk for throwing 10 times. That game was all about flow and there was no need to pass given how fast we jumped on them.

As for flips offense, it’s QB friendly? Case isn’t a gun slinger that can carry a load on his shoulders. He needs a running game. That showed in 2017. Without Murray and McKinnon, Keenum doesn’t have near the success. Case made plenty of unorthodox lob passes where if he’s throwing 40 times a game in flips offense, he’s bound to make mistake after mistake. Case was beat by 3 of the worst teams in the nfl with Denver. Denver’s defense wasn’t nearly as bad as what it showed last year but Keenum struggled to sustain drives and had his fair share of turnovers. Denver doesn’t have the roster we do but there is no reason they couldn’t have been a 9-7 team at least with a better QB. Flip would have been fired much sooner than week 13 if Keenum was there. Cris carter said it as well. He said if Keenum was their QB they’d be lucky to have 2 wins.

And I guess I’m not sure how you think case is a better leader in the locker room. Like, are you in there? Have you seen reports that cousins isn’t a leader in the locker room. That statement is solely based on assumption. There is no real truth to that

It's not an assumption about leadership. Case has always been a leader since his days at University of Houston. Cousins isnt. It has always been a knock on him. Think back to his pre-game speech last year. He's not a vocal guy. Again, nice guy but not a guy guys follow.

[CharVike]

Much of what I said is not wrong at all. We crossed over with the AFC north and NFC south. Case Keenum did not play against the saints. Sam Bradford did. Also, the ravens didn’t even make the playoffs. Case Keenum faced 4 playoff teams in that schedule (panthers, falcons, rams, Steelers) and went 2-2 against them. 4 games out of the 15 he started he played against a playoff team. Last year I believe cousins had 7 playoff teams and 2 packers games with Rodgers. Keenums schedule was the definition of cupcake.

He didn’t play anywhere near as good as Kirk last year. And what, since he’s out performed him in 2 games this year that means he’s worth it? And again, the Atlanta game is a wash. You can’t fault Kirk for throwing 10 times. That game was all about flow and there was no need to pass given how fast we jumped on them.

As for flips offense, it’s QB friendly? Case isn’t a gun slinger that can carry a load on his shoulders. He needs a running game. That showed in 2017. Without Murray and McKinnon, Keenum doesn’t have near the success. Case made plenty of unorthodox lob passes where if he’s throwing 40 times a game in flips offense, he’s bound to make mistake after mistake. Case was beat by 3 of the worst teams in the nfl with Denver. Denver’s defense wasn’t nearly as bad as what it showed last year but Keenum struggled to sustain drives and had his fair share of turnovers. Denver doesn’t have the roster we do but there is no reason they couldn’t have been a 9-7 team at least with a better QB. Flip would have been fired much sooner than week 13 if Keenum was there. Cris carter said it as well. He said if Keenum was their QB they’d be lucky to have 2 wins.

And I guess I’m not sure how you think case is a better leader in the locker room. Like, are you in there? Have you seen reports that cousins isn’t a leader in the locker room. That statement is solely based on assumption. There is no real truth to that

It's not an assumption about leadership. Case has always been a leader since his days at University of Houston. Cousins isnt. It has always been a knock on him. Think back to his pre-game speech last year. He's not a vocal guy. Again, nice guy but not a guy guys follow.

If Case is such a good leader why are the Skins 0-2? He's leading them into the basement. Maybe that team shouldn't be following him. Make your own path and maybe win a game? A team that can't win a game has a great leader. That doesn't make any sense to me.

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Eagles and Dallas are tough teams. Skins D gave up over 30 points in both games.