Case Keenum

[TSonn]

I am hoping Brees stays for one more year. If he does, Teddy hits the FA market and has his choice of QB needy teams and I don't think the Saints will be able to afford him.

That's what I'm hoping too. If Kirk gets some playoff wins and we're a contender with him, throw more money at him. If not, maybe we can snag Teddy after he finishes his internship with one of the best offensive minds and QBs of all time.

[Pondering Her Percy]

Cousins' season so far already shows how he fairs against stronger teams. He checks the ball down and manages the game. Yesterday he had a cupcake matchup throwing the ball and he took advantage. Congrats Cousins. But I still dont trust the guy throwing the football one bit.

Fixed it for you.

Thata boy, keep pushing buttons and stirring that pot. God forbid you get through a thread without going after Cousins.

[Pondering Her Percy]

Never did I say they are the worst defense. I said worst PASS defense. They are giving up the most yards, 10th worst YPA, the most first downs, the 3rd most 20+ yard completions, the 3rd most 40+ yard completions. They are also 5th lowest in sacks. You could pretty much pass all day on that team and have success. So no matter which way you shake it, TB's pass defense is horrible. Sugar coat it with little statistics all you want, it doesnt change anything. They have a legit run defense. But their pass defense is arguably the worst in the NFL.

This is similar to the argument you made after the Oakland game. These little meaningless statistics you try to find to prove someone wrong. Saying Oaklands pass rush is decent because they sacked Pat Mahomes twice. Literally means nothing. This pass defense is bad. Period. Teddy's season so far already shows how he fairs against stronger teams. He checks the ball down and manages the game. Yesterday he had a cupcake matchup throwing the ball and he took advantage. Congrats Teddy. But I still dont trust the guy throwing the football one bit.

Here's a stat.

Checkdowns or not, he's 3-0 as their starter.

I could care less. That doesnt mean he's a good QB. It shows they are a good team. It shows their coach knows how to put together a gameplan that fits his players. They have a defense playing lights out. New Orleans is playing good football as a TEAM. You know how I say, it's not all on Cousins, it's a team game? Yeah, same goes the other way around. Teddy isnt getting them to a 3-0 record. His team is. Teddy has done very little to get them to that point. No different than in 2015. Teddy didnt get us to a 11-5 record. The team did. Practically AP and our defense.

But I guess this is what kills me..... Teddy throws checkdowns and short passes 3/4 games this year. But it's ok. Cousins threw "shorter" passes this week (and we won) and I've already caught a couple guys complaining about it. Nobody is ever satisfied. But we defend Teddy in New Orleans, defend Keenum is Washington and Denver, defend their average to well below average play, drop our jaws when Teddy lights up the worst secondary in the NFL, etc. BUT Kirk Cousins lost in Washington (so he sucked, Keenum didnt suck in Washington, just Kirk), if he beats a team that doesnt have a "winning record" and "lights up their 32nd ranked pass defense" (Teddy) it's not impressive because its not a big game or a team over.500, if he loses to a team with a winning record, he sucks and he's not a big game QB.

I'm honestly beyond checked out with this (not you Kapp, just in general). At this point, not even halfway through his contract, whatever is done from here on out is a lose-lose for this guy. If we're playing a team below .500 and win, nobody is allowed to be impressed because it's not a winning team. If we lose, Cousins would get crucified. And if we lose to a team with a winning record, well he just sucks and isnt a big game QB. So how does he win? By going undefeated? By not taking any sacks and always "THROW THE BALL AWAY" every time pressure hits?? By going near perfect with every throw he makes? By seeing every single receiver that ever flashes open in front of him? By never turning the ball over? MY GOD! The guy has had plenty of screw ups but lets be fair here. Pot meet kettle. Everything counts for Cousins but didnt count for Teddy or Keenum. Who are we going to defend next? Joe Webb?

Kapp, you know just as much as anyone, all a record means is that the TEAM is playing well. The fricken Bills were 3-0 at one point and had arguably the worst QB in the league under center. The 49ers are still undefeated. I dont care that Teddy is 3-0. Your record doesnt justify how your QB is playing. Might be my biggest pet peeve is when someone questions how good a QB is and someone else says "well his record is this...". Ok? Last I checked he's not the only guy on the field. I 110% guarantee that if New Orleans defense was playing like garbage, Teddy wouldnt be 3-0. It very well could be 0-3. He not the type of QB that is going to pull his team out of a hole and be a hero.

[StumpHunter]

Here's a stat.

Checkdowns or not, he's 3-0 as their starter.

I could care less. That doesnt mean he's a good QB. It shows they are a good team. It shows their coach knows how to put together a gameplan that fits his players. They have a defense playing lights out. New Orleans is playing good football as a TEAM. You know how I say, it's not all on Cousins, it's a team game? Yeah, same goes the other way around. Teddy isnt getting them to a 3-0 record. His team is. Teddy has done very little to get them to that point. No different than in 2015. Teddy didnt get us to a 11-5 record. The team did. Practically AP and our defense.

But I guess this is what kills me..... Teddy throws checkdowns and short passes 3/4 games this year. But it's ok. Cousins threw "shorter" passes this week (and we won) and I've already caught a couple guys complaining about it. Nobody is ever satisfied. But we defend Teddy in New Orleans, defend Keenum is Washington and Denver, defend their average to well below average play, drop our jaws when Teddy lights up the worst secondary in the NFL, etc. BUT Kirk Cousins lost in Washington (so he sucked, Keenum didnt suck in Washington, just Kirk), if he beats a team that doesnt have a "winning record" and "lights up their 32nd ranked pass defense" (Teddy) it's not impressive because its not a big game or a team over.500, if he loses to a team with a winning record, he sucks and he's not a big game QB.

I'm honestly beyond checked out with this (not you Kapp, just in general). At this point, not even halfway through his contract, whatever is done from here on out is a lose-lose for this guy. If we're playing a team below .500 and win, nobody is allowed to be impressed because it's not a winning team. If we lose, Cousins would get crucified. And if we lose to a team with a winning record, well he just sucks and isnt a big game QB. So how does he win? By going undefeated? By not taking any sacks and always "THROW THE BALL AWAY" every time pressure hits?? By going near perfect with every throw he makes? By seeing every single receiver that ever flashes open in front of him? By never turning the ball over? MY GOD! The guy has had plenty of screw ups but lets be fair here. Pot meet kettle. Everything counts for Cousins but didnt count for Teddy or Keenum. Who are we going to defend next? Joe Webb?

Kapp, you know just as much as anyone, all a record means is that the TEAM is playing well. The fricken Bills were 3-0 at one point and had arguably the worst QB in the league under center. The 49ers are still undefeated. I dont care that Teddy is 3-0. Your record doesnt justify how your QB is playing. Might be my biggest pet peeve is when someone questions how good a QB is and someone else says "well his record is this...". Ok? Last I checked he's not the only guy on the field. I 110% guarantee that if New Orleans defense was playing like garbage, Teddy wouldnt be 3-0. It very well could be 0-3. He not the type of QB that is going to pull his team out of a hole and be a hero.

That very well might be true, but it could also be true that he could. It is for sure true that he costs considerably less than Cousins who has "never shown he can pull his team out of a hole and be a hero." You seem to have a double standard for the QB that costs significantly more.

Just as a reminder what kind of QB Teddy is in the 4th when down a score or less:
Player Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Sk Yds Y/A 1D Rate Tgt Rec Ctch% Yds TD 1D Att Yds Y/A
Sam Bradford 43 58 74.1 339 1 2 4 -36 5.8 18 79.6 0 0 0% 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Teddy Bridgewater 22 30 73.3 314 2 0 6 -31 10.5 15 129.0 0 0 0% 0 0 0 2 29 14.50
Kirk Cousins 19 31 61.3 278 4 2 3 -22 9.0 12 103.2 0 0 0% 0 0 0 3 12 4.00 0 1
Case Keenum 12 24 50.0 152 1 0 3 -19 6.3 5 84.0 0 0 0% 0 0 0 1 22 22.00 0 1


If you can make sense of this with the formatting, you will see the kid was fantastic at getting his team back in the game when he was here.

[Pondering Her Percy]

I could care less. That doesnt mean he's a good QB. It shows they are a good team. It shows their coach knows how to put together a gameplan that fits his players. They have a defense playing lights out. New Orleans is playing good football as a TEAM. You know how I say, it's not all on Cousins, it's a team game? Yeah, same goes the other way around. Teddy isnt getting them to a 3-0 record. His team is. Teddy has done very little to get them to that point. No different than in 2015. Teddy didnt get us to a 11-5 record. The team did. Practically AP and our defense.

But I guess this is what kills me..... Teddy throws checkdowns and short passes 3/4 games this year. But it's ok. Cousins threw "shorter" passes this week (and we won) and I've already caught a couple guys complaining about it. Nobody is ever satisfied. But we defend Teddy in New Orleans, defend Keenum is Washington and Denver, defend their average to well below average play, drop our jaws when Teddy lights up the worst secondary in the NFL, etc. BUT Kirk Cousins lost in Washington (so he sucked, Keenum didnt suck in Washington, just Kirk), if he beats a team that doesnt have a "winning record" and "lights up their 32nd ranked pass defense" (Teddy) it's not impressive because its not a big game or a team over.500, if he loses to a team with a winning record, he sucks and he's not a big game QB.

I'm honestly beyond checked out with this (not you Kapp, just in general). At this point, not even halfway through his contract, whatever is done from here on out is a lose-lose for this guy. If we're playing a team below .500 and win, nobody is allowed to be impressed because it's not a winning team. If we lose, Cousins would get crucified. And if we lose to a team with a winning record, well he just sucks and isnt a big game QB. So how does he win? By going undefeated? By not taking any sacks and always "THROW THE BALL AWAY" every time pressure hits?? By going near perfect with every throw he makes? By seeing every single receiver that ever flashes open in front of him? By never turning the ball over? MY GOD! The guy has had plenty of screw ups but lets be fair here. Pot meet kettle. Everything counts for Cousins but didnt count for Teddy or Keenum. Who are we going to defend next? Joe Webb?

Kapp, you know just as much as anyone, all a record means is that the TEAM is playing well. The fricken Bills were 3-0 at one point and had arguably the worst QB in the league under center. The 49ers are still undefeated. I dont care that Teddy is 3-0. Your record doesnt justify how your QB is playing. Might be my biggest pet peeve is when someone questions how good a QB is and someone else says "well his record is this...". Ok? Last I checked he's not the only guy on the field. I 110% guarantee that if New Orleans defense was playing like garbage, Teddy wouldnt be 3-0. It very well could be 0-3. He not the type of QB that is going to pull his team out of a hole and be a hero.

That very well might be true, but it could also be true that he could. It is for sure true that he costs considerably less than Cousins who has "never shown he can pull his team out of a hole and be a hero." You seem to have a double standard for the QB that costs significantly more.

Just as a reminder what kind of QB Teddy is in the 4th when down a score or less:
Player Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Sk Yds Y/A 1D Rate Tgt Rec Ctch% Yds TD 1D Att Yds Y/A
Sam Bradford 43 58 74.1 339 1 2 4 -36 5.8 18 79.6 0 0 0% 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Teddy Bridgewater 22 30 73.3 314 2 0 6 -31 10.5 15 129.0 0 0 0% 0 0 0 2 29 14.50
Kirk Cousins 19 31 61.3 278 4 2 3 -22 9.0 12 103.2 0 0 0% 0 0 0 3 12 4.00 0 1
Case Keenum 12 24 50.0 152 1 0 3 -19 6.3 5 84.0 0 0 0% 0 0 0 1 22 22.00 0 1


If you can make sense of this with the formatting, you will see the kid was fantastic at getting his team back in the game when he was here.

It’s hard to remember what games he himself ever got us back in. If any. I definitely remember the sack fumbles he gave up vs Denver and Arizona. Down by a score and holding onto it too long, double clutching and getting stripped. No less this stat is “down by a score or less”. It’s an awfully nitpicky stat if you ask me. But this is what you do for anyone other than cousins, find the one stat they might have showed well in and stick to it. I’m sure I could find plenty of those for cousins, Keenum, Bradford. Bottom line was, teddy isn’t a good passer. He’s a game manager and that is his ceiling. I’ve said before, I’ve never seen so many fans in love with a guy that didn’t so little on this team.

But I guess the funniest thing of all in this statistic, is the numbers for case Keenum. Mr. big game, mr clutch, the guy that thrives under pressure. 12 for 24 and by far the worst completion percentage. You’re starting to defend too many QBs at this point because you can’t stand cousins that the arguments you make for one, hurt your argument for another. I feel like at this point you’re trying too hard to keep the others afloat just to prove a point that you end up contradicting yourself. Which sure doesn’t help your argument, with any of them

[StumpHunter]

That very well might be true, but it could also be true that he could. It is for sure true that he costs considerably less than Cousins who has "never shown he can pull his team out of a hole and be a hero." You seem to have a double standard for the QB that costs significantly more.

Just as a reminder what kind of QB Teddy is in the 4th when down a score or less:
Player Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Sk Yds Y/A 1D Rate Tgt Rec Ctch% Yds TD 1D Att Yds Y/A
Sam Bradford 43 58 74.1 339 1 2 4 -36 5.8 18 79.6 0 0 0% 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Teddy Bridgewater 22 30 73.3 314 2 0 6 -31 10.5 15 129.0 0 0 0% 0 0 0 2 29 14.50
Kirk Cousins 19 31 61.3 278 4 2 3 -22 9.0 12 103.2 0 0 0% 0 0 0 3 12 4.00 0 1
Case Keenum 12 24 50.0 152 1 0 3 -19 6.3 5 84.0 0 0 0% 0 0 0 1 22 22.00 0 1


If you can make sense of this with the formatting, you will see the kid was fantastic at getting his team back in the game when he was here.

It’s hard to remember what games he himself ever got us back in. If any. I definitely remember the sack fumbles he gave up vs Denver and Arizona. Down by a score and holding onto it too long, double clutching and getting stripped. No less this stat is “down by a score or less”. It’s an awfully nitpicky stat if you ask me. But this is what you do for anyone other than cousins, find the one stat they might have showed well in and stick to it. I’m sure I could find plenty of those for cousins, Keenum, Bradford. Bottom line was, teddy isn’t a good passer. He’s a game manager and that is his ceiling. I’ve said before, I’ve never seen so many fans in love with a guy that didn’t so little on this team.

But I guess the funniest thing of all in this statistic, is the numbers for case Keenum. Mr. big game, mr clutch, the guy that thrives under pressure. 12 for 24 and by far the worst completion percentage. You’re starting to defend too many QBs at this point because you can’t stand cousins that the arguments you make for one, hurt your argument for another. I feel like at this point you’re trying too hard to keep the others afloat just to prove a point that you end up contradicting yourself. Which sure doesn’t help your argument, with any of them

They are a bit nitpicky and weren't my first choice. Ideally I would have used 4th qtr, down or tied by any score and the QB wins it, but that would have left me with just Teddy's stats.

[CharVike]

I am hoping Brees stays for one more year. If he does, Teddy hits the FA market and has his choice of QB needy teams and I don't think the Saints will be able to afford him.

That's what I'm hoping too. If Kirk gets some playoff wins and we're a contender with him, throw more money at him. If not, maybe we can snag Teddy after he finishes his internship with one of the best offensive minds and QBs of all time.

Snagging Teddy or keeping Kirk shouldn't be the plan. This is just another step in the sign the next journeyman drama we have been living for along time. We could probably sign Elli who is a two time SB winner. It hasn't worked and I don't think that plan will ever work. It's not the plan I would take anyway. Our team needs to do whatever it takes to move up and get a franchise QB. If there is non then we are stuck again with our own stiff. I'd like to see a Super Bowl before my gig is up. That won't happen with what we have or signing the next castoff. I'm not talking doing what Lynn did and take a RB. But getting a franchise QB shouldn't be ignored any more. I'm tired of the castoff game. Doesn't anyone see that. Teddy and Kirk are castoffs. IMO if the Saints feel Teddy is a franchise guy he won't hit the market. Teams can always find CAP if they want a player. The Skins let Kirk walk because everyone has seen it already. That's only my thought process.

[J. Kapp 11]

Here's a stat.

Checkdowns or not, he's 3-0 as their starter.

I could care less. That doesnt mean he's a good QB. It shows they are a good team. It shows their coach knows how to put together a gameplan that fits his players. They have a defense playing lights out. New Orleans is playing good football as a TEAM. You know how I say, it's not all on Cousins, it's a team game? Yeah, same goes the other way around. Teddy isnt getting them to a 3-0 record. His team is. Teddy has done very little to get them to that point. No different than in 2015. Teddy didnt get us to a 11-5 record. The team did. Practically AP and our defense.

But I guess this is what kills me..... Teddy throws checkdowns and short passes 3/4 games this year. But it's ok. Cousins threw "shorter" passes this week (and we won) and I've already caught a couple guys complaining about it. Nobody is ever satisfied. But we defend Teddy in New Orleans, defend Keenum is Washington and Denver, defend their average to well below average play, drop our jaws when Teddy lights up the worst secondary in the NFL, etc. BUT Kirk Cousins lost in Washington (so he sucked, Keenum didnt suck in Washington, just Kirk), if he beats a team that doesnt have a "winning record" and "lights up their 32nd ranked pass defense" (Teddy) it's not impressive because its not a big game or a team over.500, if he loses to a team with a winning record, he sucks and he's not a big game QB.

I'm honestly beyond checked out with this (not you Kapp, just in general). At this point, not even halfway through his contract, whatever is done from here on out is a lose-lose for this guy. If we're playing a team below .500 and win, nobody is allowed to be impressed because it's not a winning team. If we lose, Cousins would get crucified. And if we lose to a team with a winning record, well he just sucks and isnt a big game QB. So how does he win? By going undefeated? By not taking any sacks and always "THROW THE BALL AWAY" every time pressure hits?? By going near perfect with every throw he makes? By seeing every single receiver that ever flashes open in front of him? By never turning the ball over? MY GOD! The guy has had plenty of screw ups but lets be fair here. Pot meet kettle. Everything counts for Cousins but didnt count for Teddy or Keenum. Who are we going to defend next? Joe Webb?

Kapp, you know just as much as anyone, all a record means is that the TEAM is playing well. The fricken Bills were 3-0 at one point and had arguably the worst QB in the league under center. The 49ers are still undefeated. I dont care that Teddy is 3-0. Your record doesnt justify how your QB is playing. Might be my biggest pet peeve is when someone questions how good a QB is and someone else says "well his record is this...". Ok? Last I checked he's not the only guy on the field. I 110% guarantee that if New Orleans defense was playing like garbage, Teddy wouldnt be 3-0. It very well could be 0-3. He not the type of QB that is going to pull his team out of a hole and be a hero.

PHP, you're not ever going to change my mind on these things.

WINS MATTER. They're the only thing that matters, at least to me. I'm a Joe Kapp fan, for crying out loud. Did you ever see him throw? It wasn't pretty ... but he WON. His teammates would run through the fires of hell for him. He refused the team MVP in 1970, saying there isn't one Most Valuable Viking, but 40 Most Valuable Vikings. He walked away and left the award on the table. He didn't care about anything but winning. And the man never, ever made an excuse.

Kirk Cousins throws a beautiful ball. He says all the right things. His numbers look spectacular. He completed 70% of his passes last year for 4,200+ yards, 30 TDs and only 10 INTs. And for all that, we finished 8-7-1 and looked impotent by the end of the season. Case won for us. Teddy won for us. Cousins hasn't. I'm praying he turns that around because winning is the only thing that matters to me.

So let's forget Teddy. Forget Case. Kirk Cousins played great against the Giants. Now he needs to step up this week against a quality Eagles team. If he does that, he'll quiet at least some of his many, many detractors.

[StumpHunter]

That's what I'm hoping too. If Kirk gets some playoff wins and we're a contender with him, throw more money at him. If not, maybe we can snag Teddy after he finishes his internship with one of the best offensive minds and QBs of all time.

Snagging Teddy or keeping Kirk shouldn't be the plan. This is just another step in the sign the next journeyman drama we have been living for along time. We could probably sign Elli who is a two time SB winner. It hasn't worked and I don't think that plan will ever work. It's not the plan I would take anyway. Our team needs to do whatever it takes to move up and get a franchise QB. If there is non then we are stuck again with our own stiff. I'd like to see a Super Bowl before my gig is up. That won't happen with what we have or signing the next castoff. I'm not talking doing what Lynn did and take a RB. But getting a franchise QB shouldn't be ignored any more. I'm tired of the castoff game. Doesn't anyone see that. Teddy and Kirk are castoffs. IMO if the Saints feel Teddy is a franchise guy he won't hit the market. Teams can always find CAP if they want a player. The Skins let Kirk walk because everyone has seen it already. That's only my thought process.

Correct, cap wouldn't be an issue. The issue would be Brees not retiring.

[Pondering Her Percy]

I could care less. That doesnt mean he's a good QB. It shows they are a good team. It shows their coach knows how to put together a gameplan that fits his players. They have a defense playing lights out. New Orleans is playing good football as a TEAM. You know how I say, it's not all on Cousins, it's a team game? Yeah, same goes the other way around. Teddy isnt getting them to a 3-0 record. His team is. Teddy has done very little to get them to that point. No different than in 2015. Teddy didnt get us to a 11-5 record. The team did. Practically AP and our defense.

But I guess this is what kills me..... Teddy throws checkdowns and short passes 3/4 games this year. But it's ok. Cousins threw "shorter" passes this week (and we won) and I've already caught a couple guys complaining about it. Nobody is ever satisfied. But we defend Teddy in New Orleans, defend Keenum is Washington and Denver, defend their average to well below average play, drop our jaws when Teddy lights up the worst secondary in the NFL, etc. BUT Kirk Cousins lost in Washington (so he sucked, Keenum didnt suck in Washington, just Kirk), if he beats a team that doesnt have a "winning record" and "lights up their 32nd ranked pass defense" (Teddy) it's not impressive because its not a big game or a team over.500, if he loses to a team with a winning record, he sucks and he's not a big game QB.

I'm honestly beyond checked out with this (not you Kapp, just in general). At this point, not even halfway through his contract, whatever is done from here on out is a lose-lose for this guy. If we're playing a team below .500 and win, nobody is allowed to be impressed because it's not a winning team. If we lose, Cousins would get crucified. And if we lose to a team with a winning record, well he just sucks and isnt a big game QB. So how does he win? By going undefeated? By not taking any sacks and always "THROW THE BALL AWAY" every time pressure hits?? By going near perfect with every throw he makes? By seeing every single receiver that ever flashes open in front of him? By never turning the ball over? MY GOD! The guy has had plenty of screw ups but lets be fair here. Pot meet kettle. Everything counts for Cousins but didnt count for Teddy or Keenum. Who are we going to defend next? Joe Webb?

Kapp, you know just as much as anyone, all a record means is that the TEAM is playing well. The fricken Bills were 3-0 at one point and had arguably the worst QB in the league under center. The 49ers are still undefeated. I dont care that Teddy is 3-0. Your record doesnt justify how your QB is playing. Might be my biggest pet peeve is when someone questions how good a QB is and someone else says "well his record is this...". Ok? Last I checked he's not the only guy on the field. I 110% guarantee that if New Orleans defense was playing like garbage, Teddy wouldnt be 3-0. It very well could be 0-3. He not the type of QB that is going to pull his team out of a hole and be a hero.

PHP, you're not ever going to change my mind on these things.

WINS MATTER. They're the only thing that matters, at least to me. I'm a Joe Kapp fan, for crying out loud. Did you ever see him throw? It wasn't pretty ... but he WON. His teammates would run through the fires of hell for him. He refused the team MVP in 1970, saying there isn't one Most Valuable Viking, but 40 Most Valuable Vikings. He walked away and left the award on the table. He didn't care about anything but winning. And the man never, ever made an excuse.

Kirk Cousins throws a beautiful ball. He says all the right things. His numbers look spectacular. He completed 70% of his passes last year for 4,200+ yards, 30 TDs and only 10 INTs. And for all that, we finished 8-7-1 and looked impotent by the end of the season. Case won for us. Teddy won for us. Cousins hasn't. I'm praying he turns that around because winning is the only thing that matters to me.

So let's forget Teddy. Forget Case. Kirk Cousins played great against the Giants. Now he needs to step up this week against a quality Eagles team. If he does that, he'll quiet at least some of his many, many detractors.

I figured I won’t change your mind but I guess my only question is, how did teddy win for us? That’s like saying Ponder “won for us” in 2012. We all knew it was because of Adrian Peterson. We also know in 2015 in was mostly Adrian Peterson and a much better defense. 8 of teddy’s 11 wins that year he threw for under 187 yards. 5 of those 8 being under 153. In those EIGHT games he had 4 tds and 5 ints. He also had 2 opportunities to win the game for us and for strip sacked both times (Denver and Arizona). Sorry but in no way, shape or form is that a QB that’s winning us games.

And even more to add onto that, the 5 losses we had, APs games consisted of 31, 45, 18, 69 and 81 yards. And the 81 yard game was Denver who had him stone walled all day outside of his late 48 yard TD run. He rushed for nearly 1500 yards that season. He averaged 48.8 yards per game in losses. That means he ran for 1,250 yards and averaged 114 yards per game on the ground in ELEVEN games!! That’s insane! So you tell me who was winning us games? I can tell you right now it wasn’t teddy bridgewater and it’s not even close.

Case you have an argument because he actually performed in most of the wins we had (even though he had a Horseshoe up his as# most of the time), but teddy bridgewater? The guy did NOT win us games. Throw him a bone and say he won the mop up game vs Chicago game week 17. But outside of that, that team was 100% carried by AP and that defense

[CharVike]

Snagging Teddy or keeping Kirk shouldn't be the plan. This is just another step in the sign the next journeyman drama we have been living for along time. We could probably sign Elli who is a two time SB winner. It hasn't worked and I don't think that plan will ever work. It's not the plan I would take anyway. Our team needs to do whatever it takes to move up and get a franchise QB. If there is non then we are stuck again with our own stiff. I'd like to see a Super Bowl before my gig is up. That won't happen with what we have or signing the next castoff. I'm not talking doing what Lynn did and take a RB. But getting a franchise QB shouldn't be ignored any more. I'm tired of the castoff game. Doesn't anyone see that. Teddy and Kirk are castoffs. IMO if the Saints feel Teddy is a franchise guy he won't hit the market. Teams can always find CAP if they want a player. The Skins let Kirk walk because everyone has seen it already. That's only my thought process.

Correct, cap wouldn't be an issue. The issue would be Brees not retiring.

Teddy isn't the answer. Just another castoff/stiff. We have that already. If he becomes a FA, which means the Saints said who cares he sucks, and he is so good the market will be through the roof. Cousins contract will look like chump change. We need to get a real QB for the first time since Fran. Enough of let's get the next stiff. Once Brees is healthy Teddy will be back on the bench were he belongs. Doesn't that tell people anything? When Brady replaced Bledsoe he became the guy and the Pats traded there starter. That's what the Saints would do and get some 1st round picks. Guess what. That's not in their plans because Teddy isn't a top level QB. He can hand a ball off. Big deal.

[StumpHunter]

Correct, cap wouldn't be an issue. The issue would be Brees not retiring.

Teddy isn't the answer. Just another castoff/stiff. We have that already. If he becomes a FA, which means the Saints said who cares he sucks, and he is so good the market will be through the roof. Cousins contract will look like chump change. We need to get a real QB for the first time since Fran. Enough of let's get the next stiff. Once Brees is healthy Teddy will be back on the bench were he belongs. Doesn't that tell people anything? When Brady replaced Bledsoe he became the guy and the Pats traded there starter. That's what the Saints would do and get some 1st round picks. Guess what. That's not in their plans because Teddy isn't a top level QB. He can hand a ball off. Big deal.

Brady/Bledsoe isn't a great comparison. Bledsoe was a solid QB, but he was no Drew Brees. Montana/Young and Favre/Rodgers are probably closer comparisons. It takes balls to move on from a HOF QB,risk sacrificing the immediate future for the long term, but it does happen.

Agree that we need to stop looking at castoffs for our starter. I am tired of rental QBs.

[Mothman]

I figured I won’t change your mind but I guess my only question is, how did teddy win for us? That’s like saying Ponder “won for us” in 2012. We all knew it was because of Adrian Peterson. We also know in 2015 in was mostly Adrian Peterson and a much better defense. 8 of teddy’s 11 wins that year he threw for under 187 yards. 5 of those 8 being under 153. In those EIGHT games he had 4 tds and 5 ints. He also had 2 opportunities to win the game for us and for strip sacked both times (Denver and Arizona). Sorry but in no way, shape or form is that a QB that’s winning us games.

And even more to add onto that, the 5 losses we had, APs games consisted of 31, 45, 18, 69 and 81 yards. And the 81 yard game was Denver who had him stone walled all day outside of his late 48 yard TD run. He rushed for nearly 1500 yards that season. He averaged 48.8 yards per game in losses. That means he ran for 1,250 yards and averaged 114 yards per game on the ground in ELEVEN games!! That’s insane! So you tell me who was winning us games? I can tell you right now it wasn’t teddy bridgewater and it’s not even close.

Case you have an argument because he actually performed in most of the wins we had (even though he had a Horseshoe up his as# most of the time), but teddy bridgewater? The guy did NOT win us games. Throw him a bone and say he won the mop up game vs Chicago game week 17. But outside of that, that team was 100% carried by AP and that defense

I was going to make the same point. It would be more accurate to say Peterson won for us than Bridgewater, although I agree with your earlier point that it's the team that wins. Bridgewater's record with the Vikings was 18 and 14 and in his second year (and only winning season) it was obvious how heavily their fate was tied to Peterson's week-to-week performance. Bridgewater was practically hauled to an 11 win season on AD's back. That's why Peterson led the league in rushing and the Vikes finished 4th in that category while finishing 31st in passing.

[CharVike]

Teddy isn't the answer. Just another castoff/stiff. We have that already. If he becomes a FA, which means the Saints said who cares he sucks, and he is so good the market will be through the roof. Cousins contract will look like chump change. We need to get a real QB for the first time since Fran. Enough of let's get the next stiff. Once Brees is healthy Teddy will be back on the bench were he belongs. Doesn't that tell people anything? When Brady replaced Bledsoe he became the guy and the Pats traded there starter. That's what the Saints would do and get some 1st round picks. Guess what. That's not in their plans because Teddy isn't a top level QB. He can hand a ball off. Big deal.

Brady/Bledsoe isn't a great comparison. Bledsoe was a solid QB, but he was no Drew Brees. Montana/Young and Favre/Rodgers are probably closer comparisons. It takes balls to move on from a HOF QB,risk sacrificing the immediate future for the long term, but it does happen.

Agree that we need to stop looking at castoffs for our starter. I am tired of rental QBs.

Bledsoe and Brees were both in one Super Bowl. I didn't realize it but Bledsoe was a good QB. That Pat team was a joke before he arrived. People act like Brees has won many Super Bowls. No. Plus talk about loser QBs that get beat by good teams look up his record. He could be the ultimate loser. But for some reason he gets a God like treatment as the great leader and best winner of all time. It's a media creation. And that works. Bottom line we need to move up in the draft. That's the only path. Cousins blows. He gives us zero chance. He needs to play out his contract and then see ya later stiff. Then Zim and his crack pot crew will get the boot also. Until then it will be the same old story. A new OC will come in next year. Maybe try 3 of them this time. And who knows who they or that will be.

[StumpHunter]

Bridgewater's record with the Vikings was 18 and 14 and in his second year (and only winning season)

Yep, he only went .500 on a team with a pedestrian run game, a bad defense and very little talent on the offensive side of the ball...as a rookie. The bum!

Teddy had reduced role on that 2015 team and was second fiddle to AP, but he did contribute, made key throws a number of times when asked too, and was a big part of the team going 11-5. Not as big of a part as AP, but a big part. There was potential there, potential that might come out in NO, or maybe fizzles out and he becomes a career backup. One has our GM, HC and some Viking's fans looking like fools, the other would be a real shame for a nice kid, but is probably equally as likely as the former. I guess we will see.