Case Keenum

[Sandpounder27]

I don’t think draft position is nearly as important as QB evaluation, which the Vikings apparently are poor at. Of this weeks starting 32 QBs, 10 were top 5 picks, 10 were 6-32 picks. The other 12 were not first rounders, most notably Brady of course, but also Wilson, Prescott, and Garrapolo.

[Pondering Her Percy]

I would say it's probably a lock for Keenum to be available any year because he clearly cant stick on a team for anymore than a year at this point. I would imagine we draft a QB this year. It makes all the sense in the world. Cousins will have 1 year left, if he doesnt show anymore, we move on and start the rookie in his 2nd year. If we want to keep Cousins longer, we always have someone waiting in the wings. But this offseason we still wont know if we want to keep Cousins long term or not so it would make sense to draft one early

Draft whom?

This is the conundrum we're in. We won't draft high enough for Tua or Lawrence, but we're good enough to win half our games, even if Cousins continues his weak play. Zimmer and Spielman aren't going to fold the tents just to get a top draft pick -- their jobs are on the line.

The only way we could secure a top-two pick is to actually trade somebody like Diggs to a team that's likely going to draft high (Oakland, Washington, etc.), then use draft capital to trade up. Frankly, I don't like that idea. Diggs has been too good a player for us, and he's still young. Trading him virtually guarantees we miss the playoffs. We have two of the best receivers in football, but almost no depth. This would kill us offensively.

I'm guessing that you're referring to Tua or Herbert. Lawrence isnt eligible until 2021. But the guy I would target is Fromm out of Georgia. I've always been a huge fan of his. He can go anywhere between the 1st and 2nd round. His only knock is he has an average arm/mobility. But he has great intangibles, accuracy and is a winner. There should be no reason we couldnt draft him in the first. Especially if we are picking in the middle of the round. Because even if we wanted to trade up a bit, we'd be in range.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyQm9XwRIeI

[Pondering Her Percy]

I don’t think draft position is nearly as important as QB evaluation, which the Vikings apparently are poor at. Of this weeks starting 32 QBs, 10 were top 5 picks, 10 were 6-32 picks. The other 12 were not first rounders, most notably Brady of course, but also Wilson, Prescott, and Garrapolo.

I mean I guess you can say "they arent good at it" but we also arent consistently picking in the top round 1. It's not like Mahomes was sitting on our laps and we passed on him. Ponder was a bad pick, along with just about every QB in that draft. In 2014, Bortles went early who is terrible. We passed on Manziel thank god. We took Teddy over Carr. Carr is the better QB but he hasnt been great either. So both classes where we were looking at QB, the classes werent all that great. I think Fromm could be a great pick in this years draft.

[StumpHunter]

I don’t think draft position is nearly as important as QB evaluation, which the Vikings apparently are poor at. Of this weeks starting 32 QBs, 10 were top 5 picks, 10 were 6-32 picks. The other 12 were not first rounders, most notably Brady of course, but also Wilson, Prescott, and Garrapolo.

It's not like Mahomes was sitting on our laps and we passed on him.

Yea, why was that again?

[Sandpounder27]

I don’t think draft position is nearly as important as QB evaluation, which the Vikings apparently are poor at. Of this weeks starting 32 QBs, 10 were top 5 picks, 10 were 6-32 picks. The other 12 were not first rounders, most notably Brady of course, but also Wilson, Prescott, and Garrapolo.

I mean I guess you can say "they arent good at it" but we also arent consistently picking in the top round 1. It's not like Mahomes was sitting on our laps and we passed on him. Ponder was a bad pick, along with just about every QB in that draft. In 2014, Bortles went early who is terrible. We passed on Manziel thank god. We took Teddy over Carr. Carr is the better QB but he hasnt been great either. So both classes where we were looking at QB, the classes werent all that great. I think Fromm could be a great pick in this years draft.

What I’m saying is, I don’t think you have to necessarily be in the top 5 picks to make a good choice. Less than 1/3 of current starters were top 5 picks. In fact the 4 best QBs, in my opinion are Brady, Rodgers, Wilson and Mahomes and Mahomes was the highest pick at number 10. The Vikings problem is that in the last 15 years their QB draft picks have been Teddy, Ponder, Webb, Booty, Thigpen and Jackson.

[J. Kapp 11]

This is the conundrum we're in. We won't draft high enough for Tua or Lawrence, but we're good enough to win half our games, even if Cousins continues his weak play. Zimmer and Spielman aren't going to fold the tents just to get a top draft pick -- their jobs are on the line.

The only way we could secure a top-two pick is to actually trade somebody like Diggs to a team that's likely going to draft high (Oakland, Washington, etc.), then use draft capital to trade up. Frankly, I don't like that idea. Diggs has been too good a player for us, and he's still young. Trading him virtually guarantees we miss the playoffs. We have two of the best receivers in football, but almost no depth. This would kill us offensively.

Hypothetically speaking, if you could trade Diggs (and another 1 round pick) for one of those 2 QBs, you wouldn't? Diggs is one of my favorite players, and I think his talent is top-notch, but I would do that trade in a heartbeat, because the QB position is clearly the most important position in the NFL, and I don't think it's close.

We can win with one great WR and a great QB. Having a true franchise QB would be a dream. I know there is no guarantee with any draft pick, but can you imagine?

I suppose I would, but only if I could virtually guarantee we'd get one of the two.

And as PHP has pointed out, I was mistaken ... Trevor Lawrence isn't available until 2021 (gotta be 3 years out of high school). I'm not sure there's anybody besides Tua that I would want in 2020.

[Pondering Her Percy]

It's not like Mahomes was sitting on our laps and we passed on him.

Yea, why was that again?

Right because you knew all about him in 2016 and thought we should have passed on Bradford at the time of Teddys injury so we could draft Mahomes the following year. You had it all figured out. Something you claimed you said but there is zero proof of it.

[J. Kapp 11]

Draft whom?

This is the conundrum we're in. We won't draft high enough for Tua or Lawrence, but we're good enough to win half our games, even if Cousins continues his weak play. Zimmer and Spielman aren't going to fold the tents just to get a top draft pick -- their jobs are on the line.

The only way we could secure a top-two pick is to actually trade somebody like Diggs to a team that's likely going to draft high (Oakland, Washington, etc.), then use draft capital to trade up. Frankly, I don't like that idea. Diggs has been too good a player for us, and he's still young. Trading him virtually guarantees we miss the playoffs. We have two of the best receivers in football, but almost no depth. This would kill us offensively.

I'm guessing that you're referring to Tua or Herbert. Lawrence isnt eligible until 2021. But the guy I would target is Fromm out of Georgia. I've always been a huge fan of his. He can go anywhere between the 1st and 2nd round. His only knock is he has an average arm/mobility. But he has great intangibles, accuracy and is a winner. There should be no reason we couldnt draft him in the first. Especially if we are picking in the middle of the round. Because even if we wanted to trade up a bit, we'd be in range.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyQm9XwRIeI

Yeah, my bad. Lawrence isn't 3 years out of high school.

Sorry, but Jake Fromm feels like Teddy Bridgewater 2.0 to me, or maybe A.J. McCarron. Another of those second-tier draft picks that might work out. It's easy to look like a winner with intangibles when you play for a program with 59 four- and five-star recruits.

That being said, we wouldn't have to trade Diggs to get him, so that's a plus.

Here's an idea you'll love, PHP.

We trade Diggs to Washington for Case Keenum and the Redskins' first-round pick in 2020. Case comes to the Vikings and leads them to the playoffs when Zimmer finally gets fed up with Cousins.

Just thought I'd make your day.

[Pondering Her Percy]

I mean I guess you can say "they arent good at it" but we also arent consistently picking in the top round 1. It's not like Mahomes was sitting on our laps and we passed on him. Ponder was a bad pick, along with just about every QB in that draft. In 2014, Bortles went early who is terrible. We passed on Manziel thank god. We took Teddy over Carr. Carr is the better QB but he hasnt been great either. So both classes where we were looking at QB, the classes werent all that great. I think Fromm could be a great pick in this years draft.

What I’m saying is, I don’t think you have to necessarily be in the top 5 picks to make a good choice. Less than 1/3 of current starters were top 5 picks. In fact the 4 best QBs, in my opinion are Brady, Rodgers, Wilson and Mahomes and Mahomes was the highest pick at number 10. The Vikings problem is that in the last 15 years their QB draft picks have been Teddy, Ponder, Webb, Booty, Thigpen and Jackson.

I mean I agree you dont have to be in the top 10 to get a good one. It helps maybe but not necessary. I think Fromm will be right in that range for us.

[halfgiz]

The 2017 offense had good chemistry....They was scrapers.
When was the last time a backup QB took us to the NFC title game?
I'm thankful for that!
Case wasn't coming back in 2018 because Zimmer didn't like his playing style.
Hopefully things will start running smoother on offense or it's going to be a long season.

[halfgiz]

What I’m saying is, I don’t think you have to necessarily be in the top 5 picks to make a good choice. Less than 1/3 of current starters were top 5 picks. In fact the 4 best QBs, in my opinion are Brady, Rodgers, Wilson and Mahomes and Mahomes was the highest pick at number 10. The Vikings problem is that in the last 15 years their QB draft picks have been Teddy, Ponder, Webb, Booty, Thigpen and Jackson.

I mean I agree you dont have to be in the top 10 to get a good one. It helps maybe but not necessary. I think Fromm will be right in that range for us.

I am really no sure Rick is capable of picking a good QB. But we do need to start grooming a young QB taken in the draft.

[Pondering Her Percy]

I mean I agree you dont have to be in the top 10 to get a good one. It helps maybe but not necessary. I think Fromm will be right in that range for us.

I am really no sure Rick is capable of picking a good QB. But we do need to start grooming a young QB taken in the draft.

Uh no, not buying that one. The amount of times I've heard, "Spielman cant find a good WR" (Thielen and Diggs then show up) then prior to the 2018 draft "Spielman cant draft a good OL" (in comes Brian Oneill). Like thats a bunch of bologna if you ask me.

[StumpHunter]

Yea, why was that again?

Right because you knew all about him in 2016 and thought we should have passed on Bradford at the time of Teddys injury so we could draft Mahomes the following year. You had it all figured out. Something you claimed you said but there is zero proof of it.

How dare you call me a liar! Who do you think you are!

Am I doing it right?

[Mothman]

I am really no sure Rick is capable of picking a good QB. But we do need to start grooming a young QB taken in the draft.

Uh no, not buying that one. The amount of times I've heard, "Spielman cant find a good WR" (Thielen and Diggs then show up) then prior to the 2018 draft "Spielman cant draft a good OL" (in comes Brian Oneill). Like thats a bunch of bologna if you ask me.

"Can't" is a strong word and in these days of hyper-analysis of the draft, it doesn't take a genius to spot a top-10 QB prospect. However, Spielman's overall track record when drafting QBs and managing the position is abysmal. The Vikings would be fools to give him another shot at it. He's had 11 drafts to find the Vikings a franchise QB. Enough already!

[Pondering Her Percy]

Right because you knew all about him in 2016 and thought we should have passed on Bradford at the time of Teddys injury so we could draft Mahomes the following year. You had it all figured out. Something you claimed you said but there is zero proof of it.

How dare you call me a liar! Who do you think you are!

Am I doing it right?

lol ok. I can actually prove that I’ve held cousins accountable, that I’ve said he didn’t play well in this game or that game, that he’s made his mistakes. You’re saying you wanted pat Mahomes and knew that in 2016 a year before he was drafted. And have zero proof. So you tell me