Case Keenum

[Pondering Her Percy]

I think the biggest regret about getting Cousins instead of keeping Keenum at this point is that the team was secure enough to not draft or try to improve the position. They were "set".

Keeping Keenum probably would have meant drafting a QB too. Might have had Lamar Jackson right now.

This. It isn't just Kirk versus Case, it is Kirk versus Case, a lot more cap space, and the prospect of improving at QB via the draft.

When guys are comparing them, it is Kirk vs case. When guys are defending cases time in Denver and Washington but criticizing kirks time in Washington, it is Kirk vs case. When guys are praising keenums “leadership” and what he did in 2017 compared to cousins now, it is Kirk vs case. The guys that have the Keenum blinders on are saying exactly that. They are comparing him to our current QB. Let’s not look the other way here. Maybe there are other factors but that hasn’t been the argument. It’s always been, case did this and case did that, Kirk can’t do this and Kirk can’t do that. It’s easily 90% Kirk vs case.

[YikesVikes]

I love the argument that Keenums average play on bad teams with 0 weapons means he will play poorly genre with good weapons. Its such a technically flawed argument, its laughable. Especially since get has proven success with the same offensive weapons we have now. Let's ignore what he did HERE and focus on why he couldn't win with backups in Denver and late round Rookies in Washington. Cousin is clearly the answer.

Backups in Denver? He started the year with Sanders, Thomas and Sutton. Lindsey at RB and a decent defense. He had that group up until week 9ish. There were plenty of weapons on Denver’s team. Keenum still couldn’t cut it. And they didn’t trade Thomas until after week 8. Sanders didn’t get hurt until week 12 and Lindsey couldn’t catch? That’s your defense? LOL. The guy had plenty of weapons. The broncos were 3-5 when that group finally got split up with the trade. And at the time, Keenum had 10 tds vs 10 ints. In 8 games. Yeah....BAD. He threw at least one pick in 8 consecutive games. Yeah....bad. WITH plenty of weapons

And late round rookies in Washington? Mclaurin is a 3rd round pick and was a stud at Ohio st and has been a stud this year.

But again, why does keenums year in Washington not count but all of cousins do? How is that fair? The fact that you guys think this guy was somehow worth a damn as a QB, I truly don’t know what to tell you. You’re obsessed with a miracle year. Pat shurmur is why Keenum was where he was. Along with everything else going right for him that year.

Diggs and thielen went off, running game was on point, OL was overachieving, defense was #1 in the nfl, the schedule was a cake walk, pat shurmur was the OC (biggest one of them all), ST played well and a fricken miracle had to happen. Like Keenum needed everything to go perfectly to be successful and that’s what happened. I don’t care about his “rah-rah” leader personality. He can’t lead any other team. Nobody is getting behind him. Nobody trusts him. He is a bum. Always will be a bum. He wouldn’t be doing anything for this team right now. Pat shurmur isn’t the OC. Neither was he last year and Keenum would have crumbled in a pass heavy offense that relied on him to carry the team.

Get off this fricken guy. He’s gone. Won’t be coming back. Has been benched. Will be on his 3rd team in 3 years after this year. And won’t ever have a full blown lucky year like he did in 2017 again. I don’t care if he’s playing for the patriots or for the dolphins. If the guy had any legitimate talent, you would see something in the last two years and he’s shown nothing and has had plenty of chances. He’s been handed starting jobs and is quickly given up on. He’s shown exactly what everyone thought he was: an inconsistent stop gap/backup. MOVE ON!

I can't wait for 2021 when you are able to actually give your real feelings on Kirk Cousins. it seems like everytime a players and purple they are the greatest to ever do things. I don't remember this critique of how horrible case was while he was in purple. So I will expect the same positive remarks turn negative when Kirk Cousins leaves the Vikings. The players you shower with love are instantly horrible once they leave the Vikings. Every draft pick is the perfect pick. Your purple shades must be prescription strength

[Pondering Her Percy]

Backups in Denver? He started the year with Sanders, Thomas and Sutton. Lindsey at RB and a decent defense. He had that group up until week 9ish. There were plenty of weapons on Denver’s team. Keenum still couldn’t cut it. And they didn’t trade Thomas until after week 8. Sanders didn’t get hurt until week 12 and Lindsey couldn’t catch? That’s your defense? LOL. The guy had plenty of weapons. The broncos were 3-5 when that group finally got split up with the trade. And at the time, Keenum had 10 tds vs 10 ints. In 8 games. Yeah....BAD. He threw at least one pick in 8 consecutive games. Yeah....bad. WITH plenty of weapons

And late round rookies in Washington? Mclaurin is a 3rd round pick and was a stud at Ohio st and has been a stud this year.

But again, why does keenums year in Washington not count but all of cousins do? How is that fair? The fact that you guys think this guy was somehow worth a damn as a QB, I truly don’t know what to tell you. You’re obsessed with a miracle year. Pat shurmur is why Keenum was where he was. Along with everything else going right for him that year.

Diggs and thielen went off, running game was on point, OL was overachieving, defense was #1 in the nfl, the schedule was a cake walk, pat shurmur was the OC (biggest one of them all), ST played well and a fricken miracle had to happen. Like Keenum needed everything to go perfectly to be successful and that’s what happened. I don’t care about his “rah-rah” leader personality. He can’t lead any other team. Nobody is getting behind him. Nobody trusts him. He is a bum. Always will be a bum. He wouldn’t be doing anything for this team right now. Pat shurmur isn’t the OC. Neither was he last year and Keenum would have crumbled in a pass heavy offense that relied on him to carry the team.

Get off this fricken guy. He’s gone. Won’t be coming back. Has been benched. Will be on his 3rd team in 3 years after this year. And won’t ever have a full blown lucky year like he did in 2017 again. I don’t care if he’s playing for the patriots or for the dolphins. If the guy had any legitimate talent, you would see something in the last two years and he’s shown nothing and has had plenty of chances. He’s been handed starting jobs and is quickly given up on. He’s shown exactly what everyone thought he was: an inconsistent stop gap/backup. MOVE ON!

I can't wait for 2021 when you are able to actually give your real feelings on Kirk Cousins. it seems like everytime a players and purple they are the greatest to ever do things. I don't remember this critique of how horrible case was while he was in purple. So I will expect the same positive remarks turn negative when Kirk Cousins leaves the Vikings. The players you shower with love are instantly horrible once they leave the Vikings. Every draft pick is the perfect pick. Your purple shades must be prescription strength

lol ok dude, when Case was here, yeah I enjoyed it just like everyone else but when I found out Cousins was going to be available, I immediately got off Case. Even when I wasnt sure about Cousins becoming a FA, I was still weary about keeping Case. I was ready to move on because I didnt TRUST him. Nobody did. Including Mike Zimmer and most of the league. So he wasnt even technically off this team yet or signed by another team before I started saying that I didnt want him anymore.

Regardless, your statement is entirely false because there have been plenty of players I did not like here. Rookies I actually had patients for unlike others and I gave them time but if they busted I would admit it. Such as Treadwell. Yet I defend Trae Waynes when 80% of the board is hating on him saying give him time and sure enough, his name is hardly mentioned in a negative way anymore. I gave Treadwell and Waynes the same amount of time. One worked out, one didnt. I didnt claim Treadwell was a stud. But I 100% understand the pick because we had Diggs (who was still somewhat of a question mark but showed potential) and nobody knew about Thielen. So yeah, I went into that draft begging for a WR too like most did on here. I also understand the Kalil pick. We could have used Claiborne, Kalil or Blackmon. All ended up busting regardless so it was a lose-lose. The John Carlson signing was terrible. There have been plenty of picks that werent good. Just like there is all over the league. But I also try to be level headed and understand why Spielman/Zimmer would make this move or that move or this pick or that pick. I dont just automatically say "Yeah Alex Mattison is a bad pick" or a "wasted pick" when I havent even seen him play an NFL down like you did. I have patience to see what draft picks can do. Clearly you dont.

So dont try and go down the line that I just praise every Viking and trash them when they are gone. I have patience and I'm realistic when I need to be. I dont just jump down Spielmans throat for signing or drafting a player when I havent even seen them play a down yet. Hell, I dont even trash them after a year, sometimes two. I remember Joseph and Munnerlyn sucked in their first years. Guys were trashing them on here. I, on the other hand, did not. And rightfully so.

[StumpHunter]

I can't wait for 2021 when you are able to actually give your real feelings on Kirk Cousins. it seems like everytime a players and purple they are the greatest to ever do things. I don't remember this critique of how horrible case was while he was in purple. So I will expect the same positive remarks turn negative when Kirk Cousins leaves the Vikings. The players you shower with love are instantly horrible once they leave the Vikings. Every draft pick is the perfect pick. Your purple shades must be prescription strength

lol ok dude, when Case was here, yeah I enjoyed it just like everyone else but when I found out Cousins was going to be available, I immediately got off Case. Even when I wasnt sure about Cousins becoming a FA, I was still weary about keeping Case. I was ready to move on because I didnt TRUST him. Nobody did. Including Mike Zimmer and most of the league. So he wasnt even technically off this team yet or signed by another team before I started saying that I didnt want him anymore.

Regardless, your statement is entirely false because there have been plenty of players I did not like here. Rookies I actually had patients for unlike others and I gave them time but if they busted I would admit it. Such as Treadwell. Yet I defend Trae Waynes when 80% of the board is hating on him saying give him time and sure enough, his name is hardly mentioned in a negative way anymore. I gave Treadwell and Waynes the same amount of time. One worked out, one didnt. I didnt claim Treadwell was a stud. But I 100% understand the pick because we had Diggs (who was still somewhat of a question mark but showed potential) and nobody knew about Thielen. So yeah, I went into that draft begging for a WR too like most did on here. I also understand the Kalil pick. We could have used Claiborne, Kalil or Blackmon. All ended up busting regardless so it was a lose-lose. The John Carlson signing was terrible. There have been plenty of picks that werent good. Just like there is all over the league. But I also try to be level headed and understand why Spielman/Zimmer would make this move or that move or this pick or that pick. I dont just automatically say "Yeah Alex Mattison is a bad pick" or a "wasted pick" when I havent even seen him play an NFL down like you did. I have patience to see what draft picks can do. Clearly you dont.

So dont try and go down the line that I just praise every Viking and trash them when they are gone. I have patience and I'm realistic when I need to be. I dont just jump down Spielmans throat for signing or drafting a player when I havent even seen them play a down yet. Hell, I dont even trash them after a year, sometimes two. I remember Joseph and Munnerlyn sucked in their first years. Guys were trashing them on here. I, on the other hand, did not. And rightfully so.

So until it became clear that Case was no longer going to be on the Vikings, you said things like you wouldn't trade him for Brady and you would rather pay Case a reasonable contract than get in a bidding war for Cousins. After it became clear Cousins was coming here, Case became a glorified backup and Cousins was worth 84 million guaranteed.

Seems like YikesVike has you pegged.

[Pondering Her Percy]

lol ok dude, when Case was here, yeah I enjoyed it just like everyone else but when I found out Cousins was going to be available, I immediately got off Case. Even when I wasnt sure about Cousins becoming a FA, I was still weary about keeping Case. I was ready to move on because I didnt TRUST him. Nobody did. Including Mike Zimmer and most of the league. So he wasnt even technically off this team yet or signed by another team before I started saying that I didnt want him anymore.

Regardless, your statement is entirely false because there have been plenty of players I did not like here. Rookies I actually had patients for unlike others and I gave them time but if they busted I would admit it. Such as Treadwell. Yet I defend Trae Waynes when 80% of the board is hating on him saying give him time and sure enough, his name is hardly mentioned in a negative way anymore. I gave Treadwell and Waynes the same amount of time. One worked out, one didnt. I didnt claim Treadwell was a stud. But I 100% understand the pick because we had Diggs (who was still somewhat of a question mark but showed potential) and nobody knew about Thielen. So yeah, I went into that draft begging for a WR too like most did on here. I also understand the Kalil pick. We could have used Claiborne, Kalil or Blackmon. All ended up busting regardless so it was a lose-lose. The John Carlson signing was terrible. There have been plenty of picks that werent good. Just like there is all over the league. But I also try to be level headed and understand why Spielman/Zimmer would make this move or that move or this pick or that pick. I dont just automatically say "Yeah Alex Mattison is a bad pick" or a "wasted pick" when I havent even seen him play an NFL down like you did. I have patience to see what draft picks can do. Clearly you dont.

So dont try and go down the line that I just praise every Viking and trash them when they are gone. I have patience and I'm realistic when I need to be. I dont just jump down Spielmans throat for signing or drafting a player when I havent even seen them play a down yet. Hell, I dont even trash them after a year, sometimes two. I remember Joseph and Munnerlyn sucked in their first years. Guys were trashing them on here. I, on the other hand, did not. And rightfully so.

So until it became clear that Case was no longer going to be on the Vikings, you said things like you wouldn't trade him for Brady and you would rather pay Case a reasonable contract than get in a bidding war for Cousins. After it became clear Cousins was coming here, Case became a glorified backup and Cousins was worth 84 million guaranteed.

Seems like YikesVike has you pegged.

We never got into a bidding war!!! The Jets were going to pay him $6 million more. If we were in a bidding war, we'd be upping the Jets and so on. What did you think Cousins was going to get?? $10 million a year? He was going to come with a hefty price tag. I figured it would be somewhere in the up $20's but I never expected the fully guaranteed part. But again, the only reason I said I wouldnt trade for Brady is because he could literally retire any day. Same with Brees. No less Brady is useless without Belichick IMO. So no, I'm not "pegged" at all. My mock that year I had us signing Cousins. Before I had any clue he was coming here. I've said multiple times that I couldnt trust Case. I also said I was in favor of Cousins. I honestly never thought we'd have the money or power to land him. Your problem is you hear what you wanna hear and read what you wanna read. I have criticized many players and many decisions over the years on this board, I dont need you or YV trying to tell me what I do and dont do. At this point, I could say Kirk's last name is Cousins and you'd argue with me so your opinion means very little to me right now.

[Pondering Her Percy]

And just for the record, some of you want to tag me as a "Cousins supporter" or whatever it may be. I'm not coming on here saying Kirk didnt make this mistake or that mistake. I can point out plenty of mistakes Cousins has made. I can point out plenty of mistakes each player on this team including the staff has made. Cousins isnt innocent by any means and never have I claimed him to be. Never have I claimed him to be some stud that deserves every penny he's getting. Never have I claimed him to be the next Tom Brady.

But again, this all goes back to this being a TEAM game. It's pretty hard to be solely at fault for a loss. And I dont think he was in either of the 2 losses we have. No he didnt play good, he didnt always help the situation, but there were also plenty of other factors. Some factors that others fail to see. More so that they dont WANT to see. Factors that others will indeed go to bat for just to continue pointing the finger at Cousins. THAT is what I disagree with and do not support. That is where I defend Kirk Cousins. There are situations where there is no defending him (ex: the INT thrown at the end of the GB game). And I didnt try to defend him for that specific play but I AM also realistic and know that if the D didnt play at a high school level in the first quarter, there is a very good chance Kirk would have never been in that position. Or if the OL would have held up and done their job during the game. These are all factors that HAVE to be considered in any game whether Cousins is our QB or Brett Favre is.

But the fact that guys are defending the OL's play (out of all groups to defend) or defending the defense after how they played in those two losses just shows me there is true hatred for Cousins out there. A true despise of him and obsession with finding fault in him. Nobody on here is claiming the guy is a superstar including myself. But when you take the time out of your day to dig deep and try and find ways the D might have played good or the OL might have played good is where it becomes an obsession with finding fault in Cousins. By watching either of those games with a realistic eye, anyone and their mother could have recognized the D and OL ALSO played terrible. Some fans are simply digging at this point and you know who you are. It's almost like fans think this D would play better if it wasnt for Kirk. Or we wouldnt have ST issues if it wasnt for Kirk. Or we would have a good pass blocking OL if it wasnt for Kirk. There is only so much Cousins can control. Diggs made plenty of mistakes in those two losses. Who is talking about Diggs? The fact that when we are finally driving on the Bears he fumbles in their territory? Nobody. Nobody HATES Diggs for it. Hardly anyone is ripping on Diggs' social media regarding that fumble.

THIS is why I defend Cousins when I need to. Or any other player/coach on this team for that matter. If a player made a clear mistake that was on him, such as the GB INT, I'll 100% agree with it. But if a player is going to be blamed for costing our team a game given how the OL and defense looked, I cannot and will not get behind that or agree with that. So believe I love Cousins and do everything to defend him all you want, that's not the case and never has been the case. I'm simply being realistic. Not digging for reasons to point the finger at him.

[YikesVikes]

I also wish to be clear. I wanted Cousins here badly. I felt that he could give us what Case gave us with ease. Thru 1.5 years, that is evident that he cannot. It is possible that he completely changes things around but I think that Kirk, when pressured, falls apart and his play drops well below acceptable. Case might never have Kirk's ceiling but he doesn't have his basement either. All the talk about how he played on other teams is unimportant to me. I have seen him have success with this cast of players and I believe he can do it again. I think the pressure from our Oline will prevent KC from being the player we need.

[StumpHunter]

And just for the record, some of you want to tag me as a "Cousins supporter" or whatever it may be. I'm not coming on here saying Kirk didnt make this mistake or that mistake. I can point out plenty of mistakes Cousins has made. I can point out plenty of mistakes each player on this team including the staff has made. Cousins isnt innocent by any means and never have I claimed him to be. Never have I claimed him to be some stud that deserves every penny he's getting. Never have I claimed him to be the next Tom Brady.

Alright, now we are getting somewhere. It is a lie, you have never said those things, but it the closest I have ever seen you come to admitting you were wrong.

But again, this all goes back to this being a TEAM game. It's pretty hard to be solely at fault for a loss. And I dont think he was in either of the 2 losses we have. No he didnt play good, he didnt always help the situation, but there were also plenty of other factors. Some factors that others fail to see. More so that they dont WANT to see. Factors that others will indeed go to bat for just to continue pointing the finger at Cousins. THAT is what I disagree with and do not support. That is where I defend Kirk Cousins. There are situations where there is no defending him (ex: the INT thrown at the end of the GB game). And I didnt try to defend him for that specific play but I AM also realistic and know that if the D didnt play at a high school level in the first quarter, there is a very good chance Kirk would have never been in that position. Or if the OL would have held up and done their job during the game. These are all factors that HAVE to be considered in any game whether Cousins is our QB or Brett Favre is.

Crap, you regressed so quickly.

What point are you trying to make exactly? That Cousins hasn't been bad this year? You just admitted he was. Why is it so important to you that the "correct" amount of blame is given to Cousins?

Unless Cousins plays significantly better this season is over. He has not been good and people are completely justified in being upset with his play. The level of bad doesn't matter.

It was one thing when he was actually putting up numbers and you could argue that he was actually a good QB, but at this point you are arguing his level of badness and are doing so by going after every other aspect of the team and saying the whole team sucks. Not a good look man.

[Dames]

I also wish to be clear. I wanted Cousins here badly. I felt that he could give us what Case gave us with ease. Thru 1.5 years, that is evident that he cannot. It is possible that he completely changes things around but I think that Kirk, when pressured, falls apart and his play drops well below acceptable. Case might never have Kirk's ceiling but he doesn't have his basement either. All the talk about how he played on other teams is unimportant to me. I have seen him have success with this cast of players and I believe he can do it again. I think the pressure from our Oline will prevent KC from being the player we need.

We'll never know, but it's just as likely that Case could have regressed into a INT machine the next year. I mean really, he got a way with a LOT of risky throws in 2017. Diggs and Thielen made him look pretty damn good. There were a ton of throws where I was left wondering, "How the hell did that work?" MAYBE it works the same way now, but odds are against it. Sometimes I desperately want Cousins to just fling it up there and let them make plays, but that seems to be against his nature unfortunately. I can't see it changing, until the game or the season are out of reach. I really want him to just say "F it" and trust his arm and teammates. When he does, he can be pretty damn good.

[YikesVikes]

I also wish to be clear. I wanted Cousins here badly. I felt that he could give us what Case gave us with ease. Thru 1.5 years, that is evident that he cannot. It is possible that he completely changes things around but I think that Kirk, when pressured, falls apart and his play drops well below acceptable. Case might never have Kirk's ceiling but he doesn't have his basement either. All the talk about how he played on other teams is unimportant to me. I have seen him have success with this cast of players and I believe he can do it again. I think the pressure from our Oline will prevent KC from being the player we need.

We'll never know, but it's just as likely that Case could have regressed into a INT machine the next year. I mean really, he got a way with a LOT of risky throws in 2017. Diggs and Thielen made him look pretty damn good. There were a ton of throws where I was left wondering, "How the hell did that work?" MAYBE it works the same way now, but odds are against it. Sometimes I desperately want Cousins to just fling it up there and let them make plays, but that seems to be against his nature unfortunately. I can't see it changing, until the game or the season are out of reach. I really want him to just say "F it" and trust his arm and teammates. When he does, he can be pretty damn good.

It is very possible Case could have regressed. However, the reason I brought him up is that he is one of a handful of QBs that we can afford to get. We would owe him about 3.5 million for a year and he has prove success with out players.

[Pondering Her Percy]

Alright, now we are getting somewhere. It is a lie, you have never said those things, but it the closest I have ever seen you come to admitting you were wrong.

Excuse me?! You're going to sit there and call me a liar now? In regards to what? What am I "lying" about?

Crap, you regressed so quickly.

What point are you trying to make exactly? That Cousins hasn't been bad this year? You just admitted he was. Why is it so important to you that the "correct" amount of blame is given to Cousins?

Unless Cousins plays significantly better this season is over. He has not been good and people are completely justified in being upset with his play. The level of bad doesn't matter.

It was one thing when he was actually putting up numbers and you could argue that he was actually a good QB, but at this point you are arguing his level of badness and are doing so by going after every other aspect of the team and saying the whole team sucks. Not a good look man.

I will say, you are really starting to push buttons with your arrogance and snark and it's getting old. It's quite comical that you try to give off this vibe that you proved something when essentially, you've proved nothing, other than you hate Kirk Cousins.

I think I'm going to start questioning your reading comprehension now too. I said that I'm not sitting here saying Cousins is free of mistakes unlike the picture you try to paint of me. I HAVE said multiple times that he's made this mistake or that mistake. He's had good games and bad games since being here. But given that I said, do not try and tell me what I do and dont do, you then call me a liar and push buttons. Thats the definition of being an as#hole.

I'm correcting the blame because he isnt the ONLY one to blame. It' exactly what you do. You blame him for everything. Then you finally throw in the OL didnt play good either this past week. lol so 6 sacks finally got you to realize this OL cant pass block? You JUST defended one of the worst pass blocking offensive lines in football. You tried to say the Raiders had a good pass rush which is laughable. You just defended the defense TWICE vs GB when they literally couldnt stop a high school team from getting in the endzone and vs Chicago when they couldnt stop a backup QB on one of the worst offenses in the NFL. Literally couldnt get off the field. Like REALLY? That's how OBSESSED you are with throwing all the blame at Cousins. You have zero knowledge that this is a team game and that there are many factors that go into a loss. I mean just vs. Chicago alone, Cousins was under pressure all day, Dalvin Cook could hardly gain a yard, Diggs fumbles in our end, our OL couldnt block a soul, and so on. But it was....Kirk Cousins. Not the defense. You say the OL wasnt good but then follow up with Cousins "holding the ball too long". You said the OL because you had to say it. You had no choice we were sacked 6 times. But you literally fight anything and everything to put the blame on Cousins. Why do we want to talk about Thielens overthrow that was a "guaranteed 6" but arent complaining about Diggs fumble? That could have been guaranteed points on that drive too.

Either way, dont call me a liar. Idk who you think you are but there is not one thing I lied about. And drop the arrogance, you're not nearly as cool as you think you are.

[Dames]

We'll never know, but it's just as likely that Case could have regressed into a INT machine the next year. I mean really, he got a way with a LOT of risky throws in 2017. Diggs and Thielen made him look pretty damn good. There were a ton of throws where I was left wondering, "How the hell did that work?" MAYBE it works the same way now, but odds are against it. Sometimes I desperately want Cousins to just fling it up there and let them make plays, but that seems to be against his nature unfortunately. I can't see it changing, until the game or the season are out of reach. I really want him to just say "F it" and trust his arm and teammates. When he does, he can be pretty damn good.

It is very possible Case could have regressed. However, the reason I brought him up is that he is one of a handful of QBs that we can afford to get. We would owe him about 3.5 million for a year and he has prove success with out players.

Yeah, makes sense. I have a hard time believing they'll eat Cousins contract on the bench or otherwise, but it would be an interesting experiment. I wish they would draft someone, but I have little faith that we would pick the right one. I'll tell you one thing, if Keenum came back, it would sure create a lot of excitement for fans... No telling how long that would last once the games started.

[J. Kapp 11]

Yeah, makes sense. I have a hard time believing they'll eat Cousins contract on the bench or otherwise, but it would be an interesting experiment. I wish they would draft someone, but I have little faith that we would pick the right one. I'll tell you one thing, if Keenum came back, it would sure create a lot of excitement for fans... No telling how long that would last once the games started.

This isn't going to sit well with some people, but I'd take Case Keenum back in an instant.

Say what you want about him ... he'd be an instant upgrade over Mannion as the backup quarterback. And he's won games in purple, something Kirk Cousins has yet to do, so maybe such a transaction would push Cousins to get his act together.

At some point, Kirk Cousins has to understand that the Vikings have a window, and right now he's the dirt on the glass.

[StumpHunter]

I will say, you are really starting to push buttons with your arrogance and snark and it's getting old. It's quite comical that you try to give off this vibe that you proved something when essentially, you've proved nothing, other than you hate Kirk Cousins.

I think I'm going to start questioning your reading comprehension now too. I said that I'm not sitting here saying Cousins is free of mistakes unlike the picture you try to paint of me. I HAVE said multiple times that he's made this mistake or that mistake. He's had good games and bad games since being here. But given that I said, do not try and tell me what I do and dont do, you then call me a liar and push buttons. Thats the definition of being an as#hole.

I am sorry I called you a liar, I am sure you have plenty of examples of you actually holding Cousins accountable, I must have just missed them.

I'm correcting the blame because he isnt the ONLY one to blame. It' exactly what you do. You blame him for everything. Then you finally throw in the OL didnt play good either this past week. lol so 6 sacks finally got you to realize this OL cant pass block? You JUST defended one of the worst pass blocking offensive lines in football. You tried to say the Raiders had a good pass rush which is laughable. You just defended the defense TWICE vs GB when they literally couldnt stop a high school team from getting in the endzone and vs Chicago when they couldnt stop a backup QB on one of the worst offenses in the NFL. Literally couldnt get off the field. Like REALLY? That's how OBSESSED you are with throwing all the blame at Cousins. You have zero knowledge that this is a team game and that there are many factors that go into a loss. I mean just vs. Chicago alone, Cousins was under pressure all day, Dalvin Cook could hardly gain a yard, Diggs fumbles in our end, our OL couldnt block a soul, and so on. But it was....Kirk Cousins. Not the defense. You say the OL wasnt good but then follow up with Cousins "holding the ball too long". You said the OL because you had to say it. You had no choice we were sacked 6 times. But you literally fight anything and everything to put the blame on Cousins. Why do we want to talk about Thielens overthrow that was a "guaranteed 6" but arent complaining about Diggs fumble? That could have been guaranteed points on that drive too.

Either way, dont call me a liar. Idk who you think you are but there is not one thing I lied about. And drop the arrogance, you're not nearly as cool as you think you are.

Very reasonable takes on both the defense and Oline . Both are clearly horrible and either Rick should be fired immediately for not finding the talent to make those units better or Zim should be fired for such a horrible job coaching. Or both.

Time for the heads tor roll, right PHP? Who are you holding accountable, beside myself for my "obsession" with the QB?

[Bowhunting Viking]

Yeah, makes sense. I have a hard time believing they'll eat Cousins contract on the bench or otherwise, but it would be an interesting experiment. I wish they would draft someone, but I have little faith that we would pick the right one. I'll tell you one thing, if Keenum came back, it would sure create a lot of excitement for fans... No telling how long that would last once the games started.

This isn't going to sit well with some people, but I'd take Case Keenum back in an instant.

Say what you want about him ... he'd be an instant upgrade over Mannion as the backup quarterback. And he's won games in purple, something Kirk Cousins has yet to do, so maybe such a transaction would push Cousins to get his act together.

At some point, Kirk Cousins has to understand that the Vikings have a window, and right now he's the dirt on the glass.

Uh oh... here we go. DING... Round 3 this will prob get things going.