Mike Zimmer should be fired!!!

[Mothman]

I don't like this post can we end it. Plus JDF just got fired so can we make a post about that?

Thank you. I tried saying this in the beginning of the thread but it was taken completely out of context.

It wasn't taken out of context. It was understood perfectly and the answer is no, we aren't going to delete a legitimate discussion topic created by another user because you or Dmizzle0 don't like it. If you guys don't like it, ignore it.

[PacificNorseWest]

[Pondering Her Percy]

Thank you. I tried saying this in the beginning of the thread but it was taken completely out of context.

It wasn't taken out of context. It was understood perfectly and the answer is no, we aren't going to delete a legitimate discussion topic created by another user because you or Dmizzle0 don't like it. If you guys don't like it, ignore it.

It's only a legitimate discussion because you want it to happen Jim. You havent been a Zimmer fan since day 1. The OC was just fired. So I dont know how it's a legitimate topic right now. He's not getting fired right now or this year. So why are we discussing it is the point? Doug Marrone might somehow keep his job and he is 4-10 one season after a AFC championship "berth". Mike Zimmer's team is in the wild card hunt right now but firing him is a legit discussion?

That's 3 guys now that would like the thread locked. I guess it just seems more like you being bias than anything. If the thread was regarding something you cared less about, I feel like it would be locked no problem. Maybe that's just me. I have no problem ignoring it. But like you were saying about my post in the beginning of it.....this thread is "baiting a hook". Hence why guys are asking for it to be locked.

[VikingPaul73]

1. Hire pass happy QB coach as new OC
2. Spend $84 million on immobile pass happy qb even though OL is horrible
3. After offense starts off on fire, criticize offensive style stating that this style is not conducive to team defensive style
4. Demand OC change style/game plan to better suit defensive style
5. Defense improves. Offense tanks
6. Fire OC

Brilliant.

[PacificNorseWest]

1. Hire pass happy QB coach as new OC
2. Spend $84 million on immobile pass happy qb even though OL is horrible
3. After offense starts off on fire, criticize offensive style stating that this style is not conducive to team defensive style
4. Demand OC change style/game plan to better suit defensive style
5. Defense improves. Offense tanks
6. Fire OC

Brilliant.

A lot of this is misguided and point the finger at the wrong person. It's also assuming a lot of things that Zimmer never said.

[Dmizzle0]

My whole point is eveytime our team starts playing bad some people just want to tare everything down and fire everyone. Do you know how far the Vikings will be set back if we fire Zim? If he were to get fired, of course those same fans won't give the next guy a chance because the team will most likely even be worse and you'll want him fired too. If you're going to make a post like this, at least make a legit reason on who would be a replacement and how the team will grow from that point.

[Mothman]

It's only a legitimate discussion because you want it to happen Jim.

I didn't create the thread. I'm simply trying to be fair. Whether you like the premise of a thread or not is simply not the criteria which determines if it stays or goes. The mods of this board don't simply keep or delete threads on the basis of our personal opinions about the subject.

You havent been a Zimmer fan since day 1. The OC was just fired. So I don't know how it's a legitimate topic right now.

It's a legitimate topic because a board member created it and wanted to discuss it. It's in Vikings Talk where it belongs. There aren't multiple clearly labeled current threads dedicated to the subject so it's not redundant. It's not violating any board rules. Whether you consider a thread realistic or not isn't one of the criteria for determining if it stays open. My personal views on a topic aren't either so don't be insulting.

That's 3 guys now that would like the thread locked. I guess it just seems more like you being bias than anything.

That sounds more like your personal bias at work.

I'm not the sole moderator of this board and please note that nobody else has locked the thread either. What does that tell you? If people don't like it, they can ignore it and it will simply fall out of view due to a lack of contributions. Otherwise, I haven't seen a compelling reason to lock it.

If the thread was regarding something you cared less about, I feel like it would be locked no problem. Maybe that's just me. I have no problem ignoring it.

Irony, thy name is "Pondering Her Percy".

[PurpleMustReign]

Good job, Jim. Keep up the good work. Apparently because Flip was fired our problems are solved.

[fiestavike]

It would be an error to fire Zim after this season. They have to keep continuity on defense, and see if we can build an offense to give Cousins a chance at success.

Cousins is a Viking for the next two years, and Zimmer's D needs to a be part of the Vikings for the next two years as well. Gotta find a way to square away the offense though...a way to play on the offensive side that plays to the strength of the defense, and to the strengths of Kirk Cousins. DeFillipo was a trendy signing that made no sense at all with what we are trying to do as it turns out.

[Pondering Her Percy]

Good job, Jim. Keep up the good work. Apparently because Flip was fired our problems are solved.

Not one person has said that but ok. It’s a step in the right direction. How about we let it play out before we throw more assumptions out there?

[Pondering Her Percy]

It would be an error to fire Zim after this season. They have to keep continuity on defense, and see if we can build an offense to give Cousins a chance at success.

Cousins is a Viking for the next two years, and Zimmer's D needs to a be part of the Vikings for the next two years as well. Gotta find a way to square away the offense though...a way to play on the offensive side that plays to the strength of the defense, and to the strengths of Kirk Cousins. DeFillipo was a trendy signing that made no sense at all with what we are trying to do as it turns out.

Exactly. Like dmizzle said, when something goes wrong everyone needs to go on this board. You have to find the root of the problem. If Zim was the root of the problem I doubt he’s in the nfc championship last year. The same talk was going on after starting 5-0 and crapping the bed in 2016 after getting crushed with injuries. If we fired him then, I doubt we are in the nfc championship the following year and have nearly as good of a defense under a different scheme. Last year he was the man in everyone’s eyes. He made a great decision keeping shurmur and nearly took a team to the SB with a backup QB. Yeah this year has definitely been a step backwards but he made the right move firing flip. Let’s see how that plays out before we jump to any conclusions

[Cliff]

If Zim was the root of the problem I doubt he’s in the nfc championship last year.

Like Childress? Or was that because Favre was calling the offense for him? If that's the case, wouldn't that mean Zimmer was only successful because Shurmur was calling the offense last season?

The same talk was going on after starting 5-0 and crapping the bed in 2016 after getting crushed with injuries. If we fired him then, I doubt we are in the nfc championship the following year and have nearly as good of a defense under a different scheme. Last year he was the man in everyone’s eyes. He made a great decision keeping shurmur and nearly took a team to the SB with a backup QB. Yeah this year has definitely been a step backwards but he made the right move firing flip. Let’s see how that plays out before we jump to any conclusions

I still think Zimmer is a good coach and I'm not ready for him to be fired either. He's starting to get there though. I don't want this to be a Cincinnati/Marvin Lewis situation. He's got a winning record overall. Goes to the playoffs about half the time. Been there 15 years because there are worse coaches ...

[Mothman]

If Zim was the root of the problem I doubt he’s in the nfc championship last year.

Like Childress? Or was that because Favre was calling the offense for him? If that's the case, wouldn't that mean Zimmer was only successful because Shurmur was calling the offense last season?

Good points. Plus, although reaching an NFC Championship is an accomplishment, it's a lot less impressive when you're supposedly a defensive mastermind and your team gets annihilated 38-7. So, is Zimmer the root of the problem? If "the problem" is building a balanced team capable of winning it all, there's certainly an argument to be made that he's a big part of the problem.

I still think Zimmer is a good coach and I'm not ready for him to be fired either. He's starting to get there though. I don't want this to be a Cincinnati/Marvin Lewis situation. He's got a winning record overall. Goes to the playoffs about half the time. Been there 15 years because there are worse coaches ...

... and is still 0-7 in the postseason. Yikes.

I think the Vikes and us Vikes fans have to grapple with this: it's clear that Mike Zimmer's reputation as a coach rests heavily on his ability to coach defense. That's certainly been the main argument in support of him as Vikings head coach and it's also been used to make the case that the Vikes can't afford to lose him. However, we've all seen teams win the Super Bowl primarily on the strength of strong defense. I'm guessing most of us have seen at least one postseason game where a stifling defense just dominated and basically delivered the victory. Is there any compelling reason to believe Mike Zimmer can put together a defense strong enough to do that over the course of a postseason, to come up that big when absolutely necessary, to carry a team to a Super Bowl? In his entire 18+ year history as a defensive coordinator and head coach, not once has a Mike Zimmer defense delivered that kind of stifling performance accompanied by a victory, although the 10-9 loss to Seattle under frigid conditions was close and could have ended in victory. Nevertheless, over all that time and quite a few playoff appearances, there's little to suggest his scheme is ever going yield an '85 Bears, a '00 Ravens, an '02 Bucs, a '13 Seahawks, etc. (In other words, a dominant, Super Bowl-winning defense).

Someone will undoubtedly disagree but that's quite a bit of history. Of course, the argument can be made that winning with a stifling defense isn't necessary if the team is more balanced and although that's true, it's hard to ignore that Zimmer's teams haven't been very balanced and last year, when he actually had a pretty good offense, the NFCC results were ugly.

[mykyle]

Zimmer is one of these old school coaches, who everyone thinks is he keeps these boys in line, and he runs a tight ship. But he isnt a good schemer at all the people that are effective modern nfl are offensive and defensive scheme guys. Minnesota is vanilla as it gets. Zimmer is almost same coach as Childress.

I liked Tice thought we should have not gotten rid of him. Tices best coaching was evident when he changed whole offense for Brad Johnson when Culpepper got hurt.. I think its time to change to a better schemer type guy instead of this ####.

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[mykyle]

Agree with you Mothman. Were is the elaborate defensive packages, I feel like we line up same way on every play.