Which QB would you want the most in the draft?

[King James]

Getting Mark Sanchez just to keep Ponder from starting is a desperation move, not a smart one. So what, Mark Sanchez made two AFC appearances. Ponder only got a 1 season where he started all 16 games and he got us to the playoffs. If you want to replace Ponder, Mark Sanchez is the last guy you want to do it.

[PurpleKoolaid]

Do all the JFB fans know Evans doesn't come with him right? No more bails outs.

[frosted]

Do all the JFB fans know Evans doesn't come with him right? No more bails outs.

So true.

Do all the Teddy Ballgame fans know the Big East/American Athletic Conference defenses don't come with him to play against in the NFL right? No more stat padding games.

Just kidding, I understand where you are coming from, but there are drawbacks to every prospect in the draft.

[Texas Vike]

Do all the JFB fans know Evans doesn't come with him right? No more bails outs.

Will it be a penalty for his WRs (whoever they end up being) catch 50/50 balls that he throws them?

Remember Sidney Rice and Brett Favre? Sure, Manziel takes risks and Evans made a lot of nice plays on passes that Manziel threw, but to reduce JFB's ENORMOUS production and success the way you do in your post is just plain ignorance.

[dead_poet]

Do all the JFB fans know Evans doesn't come with him right? No more bails outs.

Do JFB detractors know that he threw the ball to other receivers (successfully) and not every pass to Evans was a "bail out"? Please stop obsessing over the couple of throws that made SportsCenter. And, put it this way, would you prefer a guy that takes shots with a talented receiver he trusts to make a play or a guy like Ponder that rarely did either by design/coaching/hesitation or lack of ability? I wonder if the Vikings would've been so much fun to watch if Culpepper never took shots down the field to Moss. Heck, haven't a lot of fans been clamoring for a more aggressive downfield attack?

It's very hard to understand Vikings fans sometimes.

"Pass more!"

"Take shots down the field!"

"But not with the guy that likes to take shots down the field that has success doing it!"

[Mothman]

Do JFB detractors know that he threw the ball to other receivers (successfully) and not every pass to Evans was a "bail out"? Please stop obsessing over the couple of throws that made SportsCenter. And, put it this way, would you prefer a guy that takes shots with a talented receiver he trusts to make a play or a guy like Ponder that rarely did either by design/coaching/hesitation or lack of ability? I wonder if the Vikings would've been so much fun to watch if Culpepper never took shots down the field to Moss. Heck, haven't a lot of fans been clamoring for a more aggressive downfield attack?

It's very hard to understand Vikings fans sometimes.

Sometimes?

[Purple bruise]

NFL Mock Draft Roundup 2014: Derek Carr Shines in Mobile. Seems as though Carr Is very impressive in these workouts and his draft stock is improving by leaps and bounds. Still not sure I want the Vikes to draft him at 8.

http://www.mwcconnection.com/2014/1/24/ ... -in-mobile

[VikingLord]

Do JFB detractors know that he threw the ball to other receivers (successfully) and not every pass to Evans was a "bail out"? Please stop obsessing over the couple of throws that made SportsCenter. And, put it this way, would you prefer a guy that takes shots with a talented receiver he trusts to make a play or a guy like Ponder that rarely did either by design/coaching/hesitation or lack of ability? I wonder if the Vikings would've been so much fun to watch if Culpepper never took shots down the field to Moss. Heck, haven't a lot of fans been clamoring for a more aggressive downfield attack?

It's very hard to understand Vikings fans sometimes.

"Pass more!"

"Take shots down the field!"

"But not with the guy that likes to take shots down the field that has success doing it!"

Manziel will not last past #4. I don't think he'll go #1, but he won't get past Cleveland even if the hype coming out of Cleveland is fake that the Browns love the guy and are planning to take him. At the worst they are going to force some team to offer them a ton to move up to #4 to take him. I could also see Cleveland swing a deal to swap spots with the Rams to ensure they get him. It's going to cost Spielman an arm and a leg to get up high enough to draft Manziel and while I like Manziel, I just don't think he's a sure thing as a pro by a long shot. If we're talking about Andrew Luck, that's another story, but none of the guys at QB in this draft warrants a major move up IMHO.

Let's face it - the Vikes are stuck. They won too many games to get a shot at one of the better prospects coming out this year, and its going to cost more than they are worth to move up to get one of them. Spielman is far better served by just sitting at #8, or, in the unlikely event someone wants to move up to #8 to get someone (I'd say there is about a 1% chance of that happening, but it could happen), trade back and get more picks. This is a pretty flat draft after #5 in my view, and just by sitting tight in their first 2 slots the Vikes are likely to get 2 guys who could be starters for them next year (most likely at LB in the 1st and G in the 2nd). This talk about draft Garrapolo (sp?) in the 2nd is bunk too IMHO. That guy is *at best* a 4th round prospect. He may go higher than that, but it shouldn't be the Vikings doing the taking. If it comes to it I'd rather the Vikes sit tight and take a guy like Murray in the 6th rather than gamble and move up to grab another project and have to hope for the best. I've seen enough of that to last me a lifetime. I don't know what it means for next year, but I do know this - QB is a position that cannot be forced, and the draft is about stocking the team, not forcing picks based on immediate needs. I just pray that Spielman learned his lesson with Ponder and Freeman and is going to approach things more realistically going forward. If that means Cassell is the starter going into next season so be it. The Vikes can win with a guy like Cassel, but to do that they need a much more consistent defense, a balanced offense, and, of course, solid special teams. Force things at QB and its as likely as not that the defense remains suspect while the offense struggles as well.

[frosted]

^ I agree, I feel like the hype around Garoppolo on this board has gotten out of hand. He is a 4-5th round pick. Definitely not a late 1st, early 2nd round pick IMO.

[VikingLord]

NFL Mock Draft Roundup 2014: Derek Carr Shines in Mobile. Seems as though Carr Is very impressive in these workouts and his draft stock is improving by leaps and bounds. Still not sure I want the Vikes to draft him at 8.

http://www.mwcconnection.com/2014/1/24/ ... -in-mobile

I do not want Carr at #8. Heck, I don't want Carr anywhere at this point. The guy can throw when he's not under pressure or when he can get the ball off quickly, but his effectiveness and consistency drop off quickly once he's asked to scan the field and hold the ball longer. His mechanics are crap, which is reflected in his very poor downfield accuracy numbers. He can hit short stuff effectively without a consistent set, but he'll never be an effective downfield passer without better mechanics. We have to remember, Carr is a *senior*. He's had plenty of time to work on his issues and he's going into this draft with the same issues he's had throughout his college career. Arm talent, shmarm talent. I hear that about Carr all the time and all I can say is the dude is due for a rude awakening in the pros, mentioning nothing about any team that gambles a high pick on him.

My realistic guess is that Carr plummets in this year's draft. The tape doesn't lie - the guy is effective with short routes and quick releases and that's about it. Whatever ability he may have to throw downfield is going to be negated by his over-reliance on that "arm talent" unless he fixes his overall mechanics. Spielman should not get distracted by Carr's workouts or performance when he's not under pressure, because when he is he's going to remind everyone of the last high gamble at QB by the Vikes.

[frosted]

so not a single draft analyst has him rated as a 4-5th round pick, you saying that is out of hand. watch his games, the kid has talent its not just hype. If he doesnt perform well at the senior bowl then of course his draft stock will probably drop to the 3-4th round but right now, many professionals(Mayock, Davis, Daniel Jeremiah, Miller, Mcshay, etc.) have him late 2nd to 3rd.

Okay, we'll see. He's been touted around here as a high second, late first round pick. Not happening. I will concede that he might go earlier than 4th to 5th round if some team falls in love with him, that is the nature of the QB position, but I don't see it.

Are all those analysts really grading him as a 2nd or early 3rd? I guess I will have to take your word on that..unless you wanted to show me each one's take on him.

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[frosted]

Here's what I'm wondering. will you rank your QB board for me so I can understand where you are coming from? Manziel, Bridewater, Mettenberger, McCarron, Fales, Carr, Bortles, Garoppolo, Boyd, Thomas, who am I missing? Anyway, if you have others add them in, but just place them in order of how good you think they will be as professional NFL QBs.

Bridgewater
Manziel
Bortles
Mettenberger
Carr
Murray
Garoppolo/Fales
Thomas
McCarron

I could still see Mettenberger and especially Murray sliding because of their injuries, but this isn't a list of where I see them being drafted, just my opinion of how well they will do as Pro QBs.

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[Purple bruise]

I do not want Carr at #8. Heck, I don't want Carr anywhere at this point. The guy can throw when he's not under pressure or when he can get the ball off quickly, but his effectiveness and consistency drop off quickly once he's asked to scan the field and hold the ball longer. His mechanics are crap, which is reflected in his very poor downfield accuracy numbers. He can hit short stuff effectively without a consistent set, but he'll never be an effective downfield passer without better mechanics. We have to remember, Carr is a *senior*. He's had plenty of time to work on his issues and he's going into this draft with the same issues he's had throughout his college career. Arm talent, shmarm talent. I hear that about Carr all the time and all I can say is the dude is due for a rude awakening in the pros, mentioning nothing about any team that gambles a high pick on him.

My realistic guess is that Carr plummets in this year's draft. The tape doesn't lie - the guy is effective with short routes and quick releases and that's about it. Whatever ability he may have to throw downfield is going to be negated by his over-reliance on that "arm talent" unless he fixes his overall mechanics. Spielman should not get distracted by Carr's workouts or performance when he's not under pressure, because when he is he's going to remind everyone of the last high gamble at QB by the Vikes.

To be clear and I have posted it before I DO NOT WANT CARR. I just posted the article.

[PurpleKoolaid]

It is really interesting to see how many don't really want Carr, and yet the experts keep saying his stock is rising. A lot of this is based on one game. Personally I would rather take Mettenberger in the 3rd, even with the injury, then get anywhere near Carr. I really would like Jimmy with our second pick though. Nix and Jimmy Garoppolo would be a nice start, esp. if we could trade down a few spots for Nix.

[PacificNorseWest]

It is really interesting to see how many don't really want Carr, and yet the experts keep saying his stock is rising. A lot of this is based on one game. Personally I would rather take Mettenberger in the 3rd, even with the injury, then get anywhere near Carr. I really would like Jimmy with our second pick though. Nix and Jimmy Garoppolo would be a nice start, esp. if we could trade down a few spots for Nix.

Agree with all of this. I would love to get Metter berger or Garoppolo.

As for the experts...it depends who you classify as such. Kiser has fallen off and Mcshay has always been a bum. Essentially, ESPN is worthless.

Mayock knows his stuff but a lot of these media guys are too nice since they're all over TV.