I still believe in Ponder as a starting QB

[J. Kapp 11]

I could be wrong but he looks much more comfortable throwing outside of the pocket than in. I know the problem of running outside of the pocket eliminates throwing to the WR on the opposite side. Im sure something can be done though. I don't think Ponder can mentally function in the pocket. He seems more accurate when running.

OK, so he's more comfortable throwing on the run. That doesn't cut it in the NFL.

When you roll out, you eliminate half the field. NFL defenders are too good and too fast to allow them to only cover half the field. He's not playing against Duke or NC State. An NFL quarterback can't just roll out play after play. He HAS to be able to throw from the pocket.

I don't know how reliable sport science is but this video also suggest that Ponder was more accurate on the run than any QB in that class he was drafted with.

All I can say is, "So what?"

Ponder was drafted with fellow first-rounders Blaine Gabbert, Jake Locker and Cam Newton. Even though Newton is a dynamic player, he wasn't a particularly accurate thrower at that time. The other two were complete garbage then, and they remain complete garbage now. If he was the most accurate of a pretty bad lot, what does that make him?

[Reignman]

I don't know who King James is trying to convince. Himself maybe? He says more negative things about Ponder than positive. So far everything he says about passing is a negative but when it comes to running, well then Ponder is an all pro. But we're talking about the QB position here so maybe I'm missing something? Otherwise it seems pretty obvious to me.

So let me go ahead and fix the title of the thread for you ...

I still can't believe Ponder is a starting QB

[Funkytown]

I don't know who King James is trying to convince. Himself maybe? He says more negative things about Ponder than positive. So far everything he says about passing is a negative but when it comes to running, well then Ponder is an all pro. But we're talking about the QB position here so maybe I'm missing something? Otherwise it seems pretty obvious to me.

So let me go ahead and fix the title of the thread for you ...

I still can't believe Ponder is a starting QB

Ouch.

Curious to see how you play this, James. Not just this, but the overall attitude towards your post. You can't go all old-school nasty on them on here. Good luck.

Also, I love me some sport science. Thanks for the link.

[dead_poet]

and he has progressed 0% from where he started

Except statistically. Of course, going from a 54.3% completion percentage to 62% and 168 yards/game to 214 is still pretty poor.

[PurpleKoolaid]

How is it possible to be so wrong? Unless you really are just trollin

[PurpleKoolaid]

How is it possible to be so wrong? Unless you really are just trollin

[Funkytown]

How is it possible to be so wrong? Unless you really are just trollin

Hey now. James might be a little wrong in his thinking, but he's not wrong for believing. Give a kid a break.

I'm thoroughly enjoying this. I wonder how long it'll last. James is so freaking emotional. Loves someone one week and hates them the next. Whew! We'll see how long he stays strong...or stupid, according to most on this board.

[King James]

I don't know who King James is trying to convince. Himself maybe? He says more negative things about Ponder than positive. So far everything he says about passing is a negative but when it comes to running, well then Ponder is an all pro. But we're talking about the QB position here so maybe I'm missing something? Otherwise it seems pretty obvious to me.

So let me go ahead and fix the title of the thread for you ...

I still can't believe Ponder is a starting QB

True. I have been negative on Ponder in the past. But after watching more games, it is clear that he is NOT the big problem here. Yes we can use a better QB but while Ponder is here I still think he is good enough to start. Will he be elite? No. But im sure not every super bowl winning team had a elite QB. Ponder proved that last season, that he could do his part and help the team win enough games to get into the playoffs, IF the rest of the team played good.

But I know, we need a QB who can put the team on his back right? We need a Brady who can get us out of 21-3 deficit. The way I see it, we should never be in the position where we need a QB to carry the team. If the defense plays better, maybe we can win. The team has been putting up a lot of points this year but the defense has given up more. Not Ponder's fault.

The entire team is awful, but only Ponder is taking the heat as a player. Then whenever someone tries to shed some positives about Ponder, then they're a Ponder lover or a family member of Ponder all of a sudden.

And it's funny. For a team that has yet to win a super bowl, we sure have a lot of know it all fans who are so sure that they know the problems of this team and what should be fixed. Then again, no one here is a NFL coach. Im not saying that my views are any better because these are just opinions of mines, not facts.

[King James]

Hey now. James might be a little wrong in his thinking, but he's not wrong for believing. Give a kid a break.

I'm thoroughly enjoying this. I wonder how long it'll last. James is so freaking emotional. Loves someone one week and hates them the next. Whew! We'll see how long he stays strong...or stupid, according to most on this board.

Stupid because I believe in Ponder? lol I could careless what anyone thinks of me though. No one here knows me and I don't know them. We're all here because we love the same team. I wont stop my Ponder support because they think he sucks. They can ignore me, block me, heckle me, or whatever. I'm going to stick with my opinion. This wont be the last Ponder post or thread as long as he's a member of this team.

This is not the first time I have been notorious on message boards for my views on certain people and things. Never have I got banned either so I'm not in the wrong at all. I thought the rules of this board was to not insult people because of their views. Guess I was wrong.

[Funkytown]

The entire team is awful, but only Ponder is taking the heat as a player. Then whenever someone tries to shed some positives about Ponder, then they're a Ponder lover or a family member of Ponder all of a sudden.

I mean, I can totally see the resemblance. Just sayin.

This is not the first time I have been notorious on message boards for my views on certain people and things. Never have I got banned either so I'm not in the wrong at all.

Not in the wrong, huh? Never? Are you sure? I think you were just lucky we didn't have mods.

[PurpleKoolaid]

the guy is an attention wh...

[me4get]

[PurpleHalo]

I haven't agreed with some things I read King James say in the past but here I do, for the immediate now, the Vikings need an adequate Quarterback. You only have a number of true franchise QBs in the league, Packers lose Rodgers last night and I didn't see it fully but sounds like they fell apart.



It almost seems like some people didn't watch Sunday's game vs. the Cowboys, I thought Ponder looked pretty good and I've been among those who said we should try Cassel if we want to win. I still see it that way some but above all, I try to be fair. If Freeman plays and were to do well, I'd be supportive of him too.

A handfull of games in his career he looked decent, the majority he has missed hot reads and looked paranoid in the pocket. What you saw Sunday may be his ceiling, and in key moments he will miss easy throws in big downs. In a passing league, I at least want a guy who can chuck it 55+ to give a hail mary a chance. If you limit am offense to being able to complete only short / intermediate routes, and you don't have a QB who can reliably complete an out route, that gives the defense much less to worry about.

Heres something for the Ops original point:

Ponder has gotten hurt very easily at times, why would anyone want him running more? Unless it's to get him off the field.

[King James]

Ponder has gotten hurt very easily at times, why would anyone want him running more? Unless it's to get him off the field.

Most fans want him gone anyway so its a win-win. Running is really his bread and butter. I mean we cant sit and complain about Ponder all day but until he's gone, im just trying to point out the very few positives in him. I for one, am getting tired of people complaining about why Freeman isn't starting, why Cassel is 3rd string/isn't starting, and why IS Ponder still starting. Our opinion of him wont get him off the field any sooner. Like I was saying, he can make plays on his feet. I know people are like, "that's not going to work in the NFL." Well, that's all we have unless we draft someone else next year. But until that time comes, why not exploit Ponders tuck and run ability more? The season is basically over for us. He's not going to be a great pocket passer and waiting for him to improve in that area is a waste of time now. That's all im saying.

the guy is an attention wh...

You DO know you don't have to even comment on the thread right? It's so simple to just ignore the thread rather than posting a disrespectful post and bumping the thread up. lol If no one even replied to this thread, then there would be nothing to talk about. You can't complain about someone for attention mongering when you keep giving them your attention. Not that im attention mongering. Most of you just cant stand a thread of someone being positive towards Ponder.

[PurpleMustReign]

Rofl!