Slicky Ricky got off scott free and pinned it all on Frazier

VikingPaul73 · Post by **VikingPaul73** » Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:44 pm

Amazing how slicky ricky pulled this off.....amazing.

Did slicky ricky really have nothing to do with the ponder debacle?

Did slicky ricky really not pressure Frazier into starting Freeman on monday night??? Really? does anyone really believe that Frazier wanted to start Freeman??? That decision came from up top, make no mistake.

Slicky Ricky has his slimy hands all over this debacle yet he convinced the crooked Wilf family that nothing was his fault. Frazier was the fall guy.

Maybe Frazier deserved another year. I mean the players didn't quit on him, that's for sure. I was always very skeptical of his marriage to the Cover 2. But the players never quit on him.

Time will tell, I suppose. But I have zero confidence that Slicky Ricky will hire the right guy.

Pondering Her Percy · Tue Dec 31, 2013 12:02 am

What I have zero confidence in is this thread! Not sure what the point of it is outside of you wanting to get a rise out of guys.

Pondering Her Percy · Tue Dec 31, 2013 12:08 am

VikingPaul73 wrote:Did slicky ricky really not pressure Frazier into starting Freeman on monday night??? Really? does anyone really believe that Frazier wanted to start Freeman??? That decision came from up top, make no mistake.

....and to answer that question...Frazier even said in his press conference following that game that it was the coaches decision to start Freeman. So yes, that was on Frazier. The guy was coaching for his job, he's going to do what he think is the best decision and obviously he was wrong. And let's not forget, Musgrave was the one that tried forcing Freeman to look good by throwing him over 40 times in an offense he had no clue about. Musgrave also completely abandoned the run game. Are you going to sit there and tell me Spielman had something to do with that too??? Come on. Either way, we already have a thread discussing Spielman so like I said, I don't understand the point of this one.

Demi · Post by **Demi** » Tue Dec 31, 2013 12:10 am

Don't forget his amazing "I didn't hire Frazier" and "I didn't fire Frazier".

Don't blame him for this debacle! Or for firing a well respected coach! None of it's on him! He knows nooooothing!

HornedMessiah · Post by **HornedMessiah** » Tue Dec 31, 2013 12:19 am

The Spielman hate on the board has gone beastmode now, cripes.

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Pondering Her Percy · Tue Dec 31, 2013 12:19 am

Demi wrote:He knows nooooothing!

Are you talking about Spielman or yourself??? Maybe Frazier was liked by the players because he was a nice guy but what justifies keeping him around??? His record?? No. His decision making?? No. His ability to make adjustments?? No. His utilizing of his better players?? No. His "consistency"?? No. His schemes/playcalling?? No. How he handled the QB situation?? No. Just because he was a good guy, doesn't mean he is a good coach. These, very well, were all reasons why he was fired.

Orion · Post by **Orion** » Tue Dec 31, 2013 12:25 am

THANK YOU FOR BRINGING US CORDARRELLE PATTERSON MR. SPIELMAN! You deserve 1 more shot at a QB Rick.

Purple bruise · Post by **Purple bruise** » Tue Dec 31, 2013 12:25 am

Pondering Her Percy wrote: Are you talking about Spielman or yourself??? Maybe Frazier was liked by the players because he was a nice guy but what justifies keeping him around??? His record?? No. His decision making?? No. His ability to make adjustments?? No. His utilizing of his better players?? No. His "consistency"?? No. His schemes/playcalling?? No. How he handled the QB situation?? No. Just because he was a good guy, doesn't mean he is a good coach. These, very well, were all reasons why he was fired.

Believe you me he is just spewing out that to be negative

He hates Frasier, Spielman, the owner, the new stadium.....Just read any of his posts

But he is a fan and has the right to have an opinion.

Reignman · Post by **Reignman** » Tue Dec 31, 2013 12:35 am

Pondering Her Percy wrote:Just because he was a good guy, doesn't mean he is a good coach. These, very well, were all reasons why he was fired.

YES!!! Man I can't believe what's going on here. Why are people so adamantly defending arguably the worst coach in franchise history? I've never seen a head coach in this league look so in over his head as Frazier. Oh well, he's a nice guy so I guess that gives you a license to suck in Minnesota. It's insanity. Currently I'm neutral on Spielman, but now it's all on him, so if he's as bad as everyone thinks he is, we'll soon find out.

Pondering Her Percy · Tue Dec 31, 2013 12:41 am

Reignman wrote:YES!!! Man I can't believe what's going on here.

You and me both!!! I just don't understand why everyone is so defensive when it comes to a below average coach and so hateful when it comes to a guy that has brought us 5 very solid first round picks among others and Greg Jennings in two years as GM. It honestly makes zero sense to me

CalVike · Post by **CalVike** » Tue Dec 31, 2013 12:49 am

The Frazier era completely dovetailed the Ponder era. Why is it so hard for so many to admit Spielman and Frazier share blame nearly equally for the past three seasons. This defense was horrible week 1, before any injuries, that suggests lack of talent from the GM. Spare me the tired arguments about soft cover 2 schemes and how good Audie Cole and Matt Cassel are. Spielman whiffed on ALL the Vikings QBs this year. All were inconsistent. Just admit Spielman shares blame and stop deifying him. He has potential, just like Frazier had potential after guiding the Vikings to four straight wins and the playoffs after the disaster Ponder had mid-season last year. It wasn't Frazier who picked a loser like Joe Webb to be the backup QB last year, decimating the playoff hopes. I am not saying Frazier walks on water or that he should have been retained, just that Spielman shares blame. Spielman's overt efforts to distance himself from Frazier today were disgraceful. When Spielman is fired in two years, your tune may change.

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Demi · Post by **Demi** » Tue Dec 31, 2013 12:51 am

Reignman wrote:YES!!! Man I can't believe what's going on here. Why are people so adamantly defending arguably the worst coach in franchise history? I've never seen a head coach in this league look so in over his head as Frazier. Oh well, he's a nice guy so I guess that gives you a license to suck in Minnesota. It's insanity. Currently I'm neutral on Spielman, but now it's all on him, so if he's as bad as everyone thinks he is, we'll soon find out.

Oh my goodness. Who is saying Frazier should have kept his job? Is anyone saying WOW what a terrible firing!?

No. We're wondering why the OTHER guy with even MORE impact on this team got to keep his job, and receiving even MORE power AGAIN. 3 years ago he was given personnel control. Team is below average at best, obvious lack of talent, 3 years later he keeps his job, keeps personnel control, AND gets MORE input on hiring the next coach AND picking the next quarterback.

The Spielman hate on the board has gone beastmode now, cripes.

Yeah, because he's holding this team back as much, or more, than Frazier was. And instead of being fired, he basically gets handed even more power. Despite doing nothing to deserve it. And then comes out in a press conference. Blames the coach for everything out one side of his mouth, and talks about how the buck stops with him out the other. The guy is a grade a sleazeball that got in Zygi's pants somehow. He's another Matt Millen. Who for no good reason ownership has complete faith in. He's risen through the front office without doing anything other than maybe fluff Zygi to deserve it. And now he's as close as you can get to controlling everything. He's going to be one of the few pieces left from the early Childress days. And the team continues to fall apart around him.

Zygi plays the gjallarhorn while winter park burns.

Pondering Her Percy · Post by **Pondering Her Percy** » Tue Dec 31, 2013 1:12 am

Demi wrote: Oh my goodness. Who is saying Frazier should have kept his job? Is anyone saying WOW what a terrible firing!?

Demi wrote:Don't blame him for this debacle! Or for firing a well respected coach!

^YOU LITERALLY JUST BLAMED HIM FOR FIRING A "WELL-RESPECTED" COACH!!!

Demi wrote:No. We're wondering why the OTHER guy with even MORE impact on this team got to keep his job

Well I would imagine this is because how he's drafted the past two years and the talent he has brought in!! I highly doubt you can name another GM that has brought in 5 quality players like Kalil, Smith, Floyd, Rhodes, and Patterson with their first 2-3 picks in the last two years. If it wasn't for Rick Spielman, there is a very good chance you wouldn't be seeing Smith, Rhodes, and Patterson on this roster. Those were all solid moves by him. The guy can wheel and deal plain and simple.

jackal · Post by **jackal** » Tue Dec 31, 2013 5:13 am

I think the vikings have gotten some talent in recent yeaes

Its Fraziers job to maximize the talent.,

Post by **Mothman** » Tue Dec 31, 2013 8:08 am

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ....and to answer that question...Frazier even said in his press conference following that game that it was the coaches decision to start Freeman. So yes, that was on Frazier. The guy was coaching for his job...

... and that meant there was no way he was going to publicly throw ownership or Spielman under the bus for that debacle. He handled it the only way he could, by playing the guy they wanted to see at QB and sticking with him for four dismal quarters to send a clear message that it was a dumb idea. I know people want to believe Frazier was an awful coach but I can't find another logical reason for him to stick with Freeman for that whole game and then bury him on the depth chart for the rest of the season.

That's my take anyway.

Everybody seems to have their own and who knows if we'll ever get a clear answer regarding what happened.

...he's going to do what he think is the best decision and obviously he was wrong. And let's not forget, Musgrave was the one that tried forcing Freeman to look good by throwing him over 40 times in an offense he had no clue about.

Again, illogical and probably a way to make a point.

I think Jerry Burns would have approved.

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