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Cliff wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2025 9:22 am

StumpHunter wrote: ↑Sat Feb 22, 2025 2:29 pm
Not sure how it makes sense in a league where teams can just cut players with little repercussions depending on the guarantees remaining. If Kwesi had been a little more aggressive on adding years to some of these deals, and say signed Darnold, Jones and Griffin to 2 year deals, Darnold would be an actual trade asset, Jones would be forced to restructure or be cut, giving the Vikings actual leverage, and we would have a single competent vet CB returning instead of the 0 we currently have. The biggest head scratcher was the deal he gave AVG, who will be a free agent after this year.

It takes two to tango and those guys would have had to agree to longer deals, but I think all those players would have based on where they were at in their careers.

Just poor free agent team building for the future by a GM who is arguably the worst in the NFL at drafting.

The repercussion is that you've given more money to a player you don't necessarily want to keep long term. Longer contracts almost always come with more guaranteed money. Griffin is 30 and a part of the defense that was often too slow and needs to get younger. Darnold was signed as a stop-gap insurance policy for JJM, and AVG was signed to a 2 year contract like you were just talking about. He'll be 31 in 2026 and they drafted his heir apparent already.

Meanwhile they've given longer contracts to those players they want to make sure to keep around. Darrisaw, Jefferson, Greenard, and Hockenson specifically.

KAM has actually been pretty good in free agency in my opinion. Yes, they need to fill several holes in the secondary but they basically already did. They'd just be cutting them and taking more of a loss rather than them walking in FA.

StumpHunter wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2025 4:33 pm

Cliff wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2025 9:22 am

The repercussion is that you've given more money to a player you don't necessarily want to keep long term. Longer contracts almost always come with more guaranteed money. Griffin is 30 and a part of the defense that was often too slow and needs to get younger. Darnold was signed as a stop-gap insurance policy for JJM, and AVG was signed to a 2 year contract like you were just talking about. He'll be 31 in 2026 and they drafted his heir apparent already.

Meanwhile they've given longer contracts to those players they want to make sure to keep around. Darrisaw, Jefferson, Greenard, and Hockenson specifically.

KAM has actually been pretty good in free agency in my opinion. Yes, they need to fill several holes in the secondary but they basically already did. They'd just be cutting them and taking more of a loss rather than them walking in FA.

What holes have they filled in the secondary? Mettellus is the only guy returning right now because KAM did not leave his options open by adding on extra years to these players' deals. Something that most teams recognize as a huge benefit to the team with how little guarantees are on the final years of these player's deals.

AVG for instance only has 1 million guaranteed on his final year. Metellus has no guarantees on his final year and Brian O'Neill has zero on his final two years. I can't say for certain, but I bet AVG would have been open to a 3rd year worth 14 million and little to no extra guarantees considering how good he has played for us so far, and I for one really, really wish we had the option to pay him 14 million in 2026 versus what it will likely cost us after this season.

Just a poor job of building for the future through free agency. Good in the short run, not so much in the long run.

makila wrote: ↑Tue Mar 04, 2025 8:30 am Likely no tag for Darnold per Schefter. Think this was the majority thought.

https://x.com/AdamSchefter/status/18967 ... z4n-A&s=19

Cliff wrote: ↑Tue Mar 04, 2025 9:16 am

makila wrote: ↑Tue Mar 04, 2025 8:30 am Likely no tag for Darnold per Schefter. Think this was the majority thought.

https://x.com/AdamSchefter/status/18967 ... z4n-A&s=19

I'm not sure why people still thought it might happen. In early February KOC made the comment that Darnold "earned the right to be a free agent". That seemed pretty clear to me.

J. Kapp 11 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 05, 2025 11:54 am Freaking Bears just traded for Joe Thuney of the Chiefs. Gave up a 2026 4th-round pick.

This after KC franchise tagged Trey Smith.

Wish we’d get busy building our iOL.

makila wrote: ↑Wed Mar 05, 2025 12:24 pm

J. Kapp 11 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 05, 2025 11:54 am Freaking Bears just traded for Joe Thuney of the Chiefs. Gave up a 2026 4th-round pick.

This after KC franchise tagged Trey Smith.

Wish we’d get busy building our iOL.

Wow. He's on his final deal, wonder if they've already talked about an extension for him with Chicago. I'd part with a fourth for him if he had agreed on an extension.

StumpHunter wrote: ↑Wed Mar 05, 2025 7:01 pm

makila wrote: ↑Wed Mar 05, 2025 12:24 pm

Wow. He's on his final deal, wonder if they've already talked about an extension for him with Chicago. I'd part with a fourth for him if he had agreed on an extension.

Unfortunately, even if we had wanted to trade for him, there was really nothing we could have used to make a trade that would have been better than a 4th, or not way too much to give up.