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Those same old posters...they oughta know by now!CharVike wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:27 pmIf we get beat today the same old posters will be back out wanting this guy.Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:23 pm And just like I said would happen all along, Case Keenum has officially been benched. I wonder why? Does this finally mean that nobody on here wants him back? I sure hope we’re past that conversation
Cousins still doesn't have as many wins as Keenum in Minnesota.Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:23 pm And just like I said would happen all along, Case Keenum has officially been benched. I wonder why? Does this finally mean that nobody on here wants him back? I sure hope we’re past that conversation
It's not a bad call outside of the fact of the risk and our QB having a bad game and the Pack proving they couldn't stop our ground game.VikingLord wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 11:38 amI actually agree with you on this. It wasn't the playcall that cost them - it was Cousins taking an unnecessary risk and not showing the type of understanding of situation that you hope your veteran QB shows in those situations. If it's 3rd down or 4th down maybe take that chance, but not on 1st or 2nd down. Throw it away and come back for another go.StumpHunter wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 8:18 am Throwing on 1st down inside the 10 when the defense is expecting a run is not a bad move. Rolling out on that play to give your QB the opportunity to throw it away if it isn't there is not a bad move. The bad move was the QB attempting to throw it into double coverage off his back foot. If you can't trust your QB enough to run a relatively safe play to catch the defense off guard you need to find a different QB.
While Cousins bears the bulk of the blame for the outcome there, I still don't see why Stefanski wouldn't just keep it on the ground for the first 2 downs given how things were evolving. While he should be able to expect Cousins to make the right decision in that situation, the Vikings were moving it well on the ground and likely would have punched it in rushing. While it wasn't a terrible playcall, it also wasn't the lowest risk approach given the context of that drive to that point and that point in the game. While Cousins can do a lot better in that situation, so can Stefanski IMHO.
I mean that isn’t saying much. Keenum had 12. We underwhelmed last year. And we are now heading into week 4 of cousins 2nd year. Idk what that proves but it still doesn’t make Keenum a good QB or worth whilehalfgiz wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2019 3:10 pmCousins still doesn't have as many wins as Keenum in Minnesota.Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:23 pm And just like I said would happen all along, Case Keenum has officially been benched. I wonder why? Does this finally mean that nobody on here wants him back? I sure hope we’re past that conversation
It makes Keenum a Superior quarterback for the Vikings over Cousins.Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2019 3:20 pmI mean that isn’t saying much. Keenum had 12. We underwhelmed last year. And we are now heading into week 4 of cousins 2nd year. Idk what that proves but it still doesn’t make Keenum a good QB or worth while
Is there any real difference between what Case did against the Bears on a worse team than what Cousins did?halfgiz wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2019 6:39 pmIt makes Keenum a Superior quarterback for the Vikings over Cousins.Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2019 3:20 pm
I mean that isn’t saying much. Keenum had 12. We underwhelmed last year. And we are now heading into week 4 of cousins 2nd year. Idk what that proves but it still doesn’t make Keenum a good QB or worth while
Bottom line is Nagy is out coaching Zimmer the last 3 games.StumpHunter wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2019 6:52 pmIs there any real difference between what Case did against the Bears on a worse team than what Cousins did?
Cousins did less with more. Or do we think the WAS wide receivers are better than ours?StumpHunter wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2019 6:52 pmIs there any real difference between what Case did against the Bears on a worse team than what Cousins did?
That was the point I was making.Cliff wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2019 7:49 pmCousins did less with more. Or do we think the WAS wide receivers are better than ours?StumpHunter wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2019 6:52 pm
Is there any real difference between what Case did against the Bears on a worse team than what Cousins did?
Cliff I think that there has to be a reason Zimmer is on his 4 offensive coordinator.Cliff wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2019 7:49 pmCousins did less with more. Or do we think the WAS wide receivers are better than ours?StumpHunter wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2019 6:52 pm
Is there any real difference between what Case did against the Bears on a worse team than what Cousins did?
No, Case Keenum is a loser too. It doesn't matter how much heart or hustle the guy has. Since he has left, he is 6-14. He is definitely as much of a loser as Cousins is. 2017 was a fluke season with Keenum. Hardly any injuries, Thielen and Diggs were ballin, McKinnon and Murray kept the offense versatile, good playcalling from Shumur. Keenum simply managed the game well, but he was still a loser.VikeFanInEagleLand wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2019 9:06 pm Look...I really wasn't in favor of the Cousins signing. I saw Cousins then (and even more now) as a loser. Granted, he has a lot of great tools and is capable of lofty stats, but a loser nonetheless. No one can really know what it would have been like to have Keenum for another year or even this year. You can't use his performance in Denver and Washington as proof that he wouldn't have had success here.
Here is what I do know. You can't be a winner if you're afraid to fail. Cousins is terrified of failure. Keenum isn't. Keenum has that same mentality that Farvre had. He didn't care if he threw 4 interceptions in his first 4 possessions. It didn't change the way he played. He didn't change in fear of throwing another one. All he cared about was doing what he had to do to help the team win. Keemun has that same mentality and I like that. No he doesn't have the arm of Favre, or even Cousins, but if he thinks he's going to have to risk taking chances to win the game, he's not afraid to do that. He was in that position in Denver and is also there in Washington. Those two teams wouldn't have won with Peyton Manning or Tom Brady at QB. I'm not comparing Keenum to them. I'm just saying that you can't use his performance on those two teams as some sort of litmus test for how he can perform on a team with talent.
Today's game was the sort of game that I feel Keenum MAY have had a better chance to win than Cousins. Sure, Cousins didn't have any interceptions, and Maybe Keenum would have thrown a couple, but in the end, I think he would have given us a better chance. Again....I'm not saying that he WOULD have, just that I think he would have made it more competitive.
And the argument of that his miracle game against the Saints doesn't mean anything because it was luck doesn't hold water with me. It just doesn't matter how lucky he got. He threw the ball. Diggs caught the ball. I wholeheartedly believe that if you put Cousins in that situation, he doesn't even throw that ball. He probably either tries to dump it off or bounces around until someone strips the ball from his hand. Winners get lucky. Losers don't because they never take the chance of leaving it up to luck.
So, there's no sense whining about it anymore. Cousins is our QB and I root for him, but I will be completely shocked if he will ever orchestrate a game winning drive, or a comeback in any game of importance much less take us to a Super Bowl.