Lamar Jackson

[IIsweet]

Question... how many Super Bowls did we play in with arguably one of the top 2 WRs to ever play, Randy Moss... Not to mention with another HOF in Cris Carter.
Compare that to...
How many did we play in with an elite QB, Fran Tarkenton ?

I know, different eras and different games, etc. However, just something to ponder.

[CharVike]

So far in his career Lamar hasn't thrown for more than 3,127 in a season. That's pitiful. Now how much of that is scheme and how much is lack of weapons? Could KOC project how much he would gain in his system and whether his skills would translate successfully? How much would he be allowed to use his legs to impact the game? Paying JJ 30 million a year is not feasible imo unless you always have a cheap QB or a cheap defense. Do WRs win or QBs? KC made it look like QB. It's irrelevant because we won't acquire Lamar but it's fun to think about.

Lamar is a media darling. He had that great MVP season which was off the charts and that's what everyone talks about. That;s 4 years ago and ancient history. It's been a steady down hill slide since. One year 16 TDs and 13 Ints. Every team knows him very well. He pulled the wool over teams eyes because he was the best running QB that ever stepped on the field. The fastest guy on the field. Teams adjusted and he never did. Teams know him and no team is bidding for his services. That tells the story. 2 1st round picks is a gift. Nobody wants it. If this was Mahomes every team would be in. Lamar is a modern Newton. Bust on the scene and boom MVP. Never did it again. I think Newton was better because he was a huge human being. Never could throw an accurate ball.

[IIsweet]

Honestly, I am total agreeance here. I would not want Lamar Jackson. He would be fun to watch, but the amount of $ and the lack of production would drive me insane. I hope that KAM and KOC feel the same way.
I am very much enamored with Hendon Hooker in this draft. I would be willing to trade up for a guy named CJ Stroud and maybe even Will Levis. I think Stroud is going to be a STUD in the NFL.
I also like the amount of QB's in next year's draft. Just not sure we want to throw a rookie on the field when we can get one this year and learn the playbook behind Cousins. I do not see Cousins as one that will help "tutor" his heir apparent, but they will definitely be in the QB room together.

[allday1991]

So far in his career Lamar hasn't thrown for more than 3,127 in a season. That's pitiful. Now how much of that is scheme and how much is lack of weapons? Could KOC project how much he would gain in his system and whether his skills would translate successfully? How much would he be allowed to use his legs to impact the game? Paying JJ 30 million a year is not feasible imo unless you always have a cheap QB or a cheap defense. Do WRs win or QBs? KC made it look like QB. It's irrelevant because we won't acquire Lamar but it's fun to think about.

Lamar is a media darling. He had that great MVP season which was off the charts and that's what everyone talks about. That;s 4 years ago and ancient history. It's been a steady down hill slide since. One year 16 TDs and 13 Ints. Every team knows him very well. He pulled the wool over teams eyes because he was the best running QB that ever stepped on the field. The fastest guy on the field. Teams adjusted and he never did. Teams know him and no team is bidding for his services. That tells the story. 2 1st round picks is a gift. Nobody wants it. If this was Mahomes every team would be in. Lamar is a modern Newton. Bust on the scene and boom MVP. Never did it again. I think Newton was better because he was a huge human being. Never could throw an accurate ball.

Maybe true, but I can’t judge Lamar given the weapons he was working with. There TE is the best weapon he had on the team by miles. That says a lot.

[CharVike]

Honestly, I am total agreeance here. I would not want Lamar Jackson. He would be fun to watch, but the amount of $ and the lack of production would drive me insane. I hope that KAM and KOC feel the same way.
I am very much enamored with Hendon Hooker in this draft. I would be willing to trade up for a guy named CJ Stroud and maybe even Will Levis. I think Stroud is going to be a STUD in the NFL.
I also like the amount of QB's in next year's draft. Just not sure we want to throw a rookie on the field when we can get one this year and learn the playbook behind Cousins. I do not see Cousins as one that will help "tutor" his heir apparent, but they will definitely be in the QB room together.

Stroud is the stud of the draft and is a great prospect. He will go to the Panthers but that OL they have sucks. Stroud can move and by time. He will have a tough time getting up to speed dodging live bullets on a consistent basis. That could ruin him. Pros aren't college nothing kids chasing and hitting. These guy are miles above. He will get hits that he never felt. The Bengals are waking up and trying to build the OL for Burrow. The kid was already knocked out for a season and has taken a beating. That will wear a player out quickly. Yes they made the SB but that D was magical in the playoffs. I always liked Cousins and yes you can find faults with him. Once he is gone people are going to look back and say he wasn't that bad. Plus he gets out there every week. That's not easy. We will be in that same mode again a different QB over and over or some guy that we sit around waiting for the development to end. That really sucks. I've seen it already and don't want to see it again.
Cousins is a tough guy to read. He doesn't have the need to tell the world what he does. Like Lamar posting his contract stuff. That's an idiot and another reason why teams are staying away. He'll post every offer he gets. That's why he needs an agent just for some guidance as a start. His clown actions will end it for him. I say you get what you deserve.

[CharVike]

Lamar is a media darling. He had that great MVP season which was off the charts and that's what everyone talks about. That;s 4 years ago and ancient history. It's been a steady down hill slide since. One year 16 TDs and 13 Ints. Every team knows him very well. He pulled the wool over teams eyes because he was the best running QB that ever stepped on the field. The fastest guy on the field. Teams adjusted and he never did. Teams know him and no team is bidding for his services. That tells the story. 2 1st round picks is a gift. Nobody wants it. If this was Mahomes every team would be in. Lamar is a modern Newton. Bust on the scene and boom MVP. Never did it again. I think Newton was better because he was a huge human being. Never could throw an accurate ball.

Maybe true, but I can’t judge Lamar given the weapons he was working with. There TE is the best weapon he had on the team by miles. That says a lot.

I don't know his WR crew up and down. But Marquise Brown was there from 2019 and left after 2021. He was a 1st round pick.
Brown said Wednesday that he didn't have a personal issue with anyone in Baltimore but just wanted to play in a different offense. "It's about happiness," Brown said, via the team's official website. "I want to feel like I am a part of something to win.Aug 18, 2022.
He wanted out. He was looking for happiness. What was he unhappy about? Who knows.

[StumpHunter]

Maybe true, but I can’t judge Lamar given the weapons he was working with. There TE is the best weapon he had on the team by miles. That says a lot.

I don't know his WR crew up and down. But Marquise Brown was there from 2019 and left after 2021. He was a 1st round pick.

Troy Williamson was a 1st round pick too, what does that have to do with anything?

Jackson lead one of the best scoring offenses of the past decade in 2019 on route to an MVP season with significantly worse weapons than the Vikings 12th ranked scoring offense had last season. Brown is a solid #2, and Andrews is a pretty good TE, but it was not like he was working with weapons like SF, MN, KC or Miami have where any QB could be successful.

You put a healthy Jackson on this team and they would be the #1 offense by a mile. Unfortunately health is a huge concern with him and that coupled with him wanting full guarantees is a recipe for disaster. Really too bad we didn't just draft him when we had the chance in the first place.

[CharVike]

I don't know his WR crew up and down. But Marquise Brown was there from 2019 and left after 2021. He was a 1st round pick.

Troy Williamson was a 1st round pick too, what does that have to do with anything?

Jackson lead one of the best scoring offenses of the past decade in 2019 on route to an MVP season with significantly worse weapons than the Vikings 12th ranked scoring offense had last season. Brown is a solid #2, and Andrews is a pretty good TE, but it was not like he was working with weapons like SF, MN, KC or Miami have where any QB could be successful.

You put a healthy Jackson on this team and they would be the #1 offense by a mile. Unfortunately health is a huge concern with him and that coupled with him wanting full guarantees is a recipe for disaster. Really too bad we didn't just draft him when we had the chance in the first place.

If Jackson is one of the best his team never would have let him hit FA. He would have offers coming from all over the place. There's nothing. I wonder why? He's been on the decline since having that MVP gimmick season. Teams changed there approach to defend him and he never adjusted. He threw 16 TDs and 13 Ints one year. That would create a No 1 offense? Whatever. Jackson's MVP 2019 season will probably never be duplicated. He can't even repeat it. Steve Young the best dual threat ever could come close. 36 TDs is great but it's not a record. People have thrown over 50. Cousins threw over 30 how many times and some think that sucks. He has 1 playoff win in his career. The Ravens have a solid team. Give him some of the worst defenses ever and a pitiful OL and he would have 0 wins. You have your opinion which is fine. It looks like there isn't a team out there that shares your opinion. I don't either. Comparing Williamson to Brown isn't close either. Basically you think Brown sucks. I would take him. Please don't say we have all these great weapons. We don't even have a legit No 2 WR. TK is a good player but he's not out of this world great. The Lions dumped him. They are building and would have signed this great TE.

[J. Kapp 11]

So far in his career Lamar hasn't thrown for more than 3,127 in a season. That's pitiful. Now how much of that is scheme and how much is lack of weapons? Could KOC project how much he would gain in his system and whether his skills would translate successfully? How much would he be allowed to use his legs to impact the game? Paying JJ 30 million a year is not feasible imo unless you always have a cheap QB or a cheap defense. Do WRs win or QBs? KC made it look like QB. It's irrelevant because we won't acquire Lamar but it's fun to think about.

While it's true that Jackson has never thrown for a lot of yards, he's also never had a receiver anywhere near the caliber of KJ Osborn, let alone Justin Jefferson. Even in his MVP year, Jackson's best wide receiver was Marquise Brown. Jackson also threw 36 TD passes, which is an insane 9% rate.

You mention scheme ... the 2019 Ravens rushed for 3,296 yards, or more than 200 yards per game. They only threw 440 passes as a team and ran the ball 596, meaning they passed the ball on just 42% of plays from scrimmage. That offense was definitely centered around running the football.

The questions I have are simple: Were they covering up deficiencies in Jackson's ability to pass? A lack of receivers? Did the line block better for runs than passes? Did they simply emphasize the weapons they had? Hard to know.

My worries are more about Jackson's ability to stay healthy. Missing 10 games the past two years is a concern for me, especially since we're used to an iron-man quarterback who has missed exactly one play due to injury. It's one thing to pay a quarterback $40 million or more. It's another to pay him that much if he's missing a third of the season.

With the cap ever increasing, and the Vikings' looking at being flush with cap space after '23, I'm like Cliff in that I'm not too worried about the cap. Cousins' hit in '24 (even if he's traded) would be a concern, but only for that year, and in a year where they're projected currently to have $100 million in cap space. I would simply be worried about paying for a QB who's running 15 times a game and getting hit a lot. Jackson's greatest strength is his ability to run. Turning him into a pocket passer makes him average. Turning him loose to run makes him prone to injury.

I just don't know. Probably isn't going to happen anyway. But if it does, get ready for a wild ride.

[Cliff]

So far in his career Lamar hasn't thrown for more than 3,127 in a season. That's pitiful. Now how much of that is scheme and how much is lack of weapons? Could KOC project how much he would gain in his system and whether his skills would translate successfully? How much would he be allowed to use his legs to impact the game? Paying JJ 30 million a year is not feasible imo unless you always have a cheap QB or a cheap defense. Do WRs win or QBs? KC made it look like QB. It's irrelevant because we won't acquire Lamar but it's fun to think about.

It might be pitiful if he hadn't also rushed for 1200 yards and 7 tds that same season. He had more rushing yards and only 1 less TD than cook hadst season.

[StumpHunter]

Troy Williamson was a 1st round pick too, what does that have to do with anything?

Jackson lead one of the best scoring offenses of the past decade in 2019 on route to an MVP season with significantly worse weapons than the Vikings 12th ranked scoring offense had last season. Brown is a solid #2, and Andrews is a pretty good TE, but it was not like he was working with weapons like SF, MN, KC or Miami have where any QB could be successful.

You put a healthy Jackson on this team and they would be the #1 offense by a mile. Unfortunately health is a huge concern with him and that coupled with him wanting full guarantees is a recipe for disaster. Really too bad we didn't just draft him when we had the chance in the first place.

If Jackson is one of the best his team never would have let him hit FA.

They didn't...

[CharVike]

If Jackson is one of the best his team never would have let him hit FA.

They didn't...

Any team can sign him. It would cost 2 first round picks which is nothing for a young MVP winning QB. That's an easy decision. No team has shown interest. Several have already said we don't want him. The press says the Titians because they are a running team. What does that have to do with it? They can get an MVP passer. They need a passer.

[JJBreaksRecords]

He isnt the pocket passer QB that Kevin wants.

[J. Kapp 11]

They didn't...

Any team can sign him. It would cost 2 first round picks which is nothing for a young MVP winning QB. That's an easy decision. No team has shown interest. Several have already said we don't want him. The press says the Titians because they are a running team. What does that have to do with it? They can get an MVP passer. They need a passer.

Couple of reasons teams may not be jumping in.

First, he doesn’t have an agent. As they say in law circles, a man who defends himself has a fool for a client. Jackson not having representation makes it difficult to negotiate with him.

Second, interest in Jackson is liable to ramp up after the draft. If I’m the Vikings, I’m waiting on Jackson until I’ve already drafted a player this year in the first (or traded back) because I only have five picks. If I then land Jackson, I give up my first rounders in ‘24 and ‘25, instead of losing this year’s pick. Other teams are likely thinking the same.

I’m pretty sure nobody’s saying, “Don’t want him because he’s not that good.” There are strategic reasons to wait.

[CharVike]

Any team can sign him. It would cost 2 first round picks which is nothing for a young MVP winning QB. That's an easy decision. No team has shown interest. Several have already said we don't want him. The press says the Titians because they are a running team. What does that have to do with it? They can get an MVP passer. They need a passer.

Couple of reasons teams may not be jumping in.

First, he doesn’t have an agent. As they say in law circles, a man who defends himself has a fool for a client. Jackson not having representation makes it difficult to negotiate with him.

Second, interest in Jackson is liable to ramp up after the draft. If I’m the Vikings, I’m waiting on Jackson until I’ve already drafted a player this year in the first (or traded back) because I only have five picks. If I then land Jackson, I give up my first rounders in ‘24 and ‘25, instead of losing this year’s pick. Other teams are likely thinking the same.

I’m pretty sure nobody’s saying, “Don’t want him because he’s not that good.” There are strategic reasons to wait.

The thing with giving up unknown future picks is we could be giving up pick 1 in a draft with a deep QB class. If we do have Jackson can he run KOC's offense? It will be a steep learning curve. Cousin's indicated how hard our offense was to learn. Of course some will say Cousins is an idiot. So you better make sure Jackson will put in the time and is not like that AZ QB who don't watch film. Something tells me Jackson isn't the sharpest knife in the draw. An agent goes beyond just a contract. They hit the street and get other deals. They set you up with people to manage your career and finances. They provide a path through this crazy NFL world. They know the business which is a huge asset. Jackson posting stuff kills his opportunities. An agent would make sure he didn't do that stupid stuff. If a team gets him and he doesn't like something he will post his feelings. Who needs that crap. It's not my call but I wouldn't want this guy if it was free.