Vikings @ Bills post game

[VikingsVictorious]

Holy cow, y’all. Check out this week’s Field Access video.

That was fun to watch.

[Pondering Her Percy]

Holy cow, y’all. Check out this week’s Field Access video.

That was fun to watch.

I cant wait for the micd up too. I know they micd up Pat Pete vs. Arizona, I want to say they did Zadarius vs. the Packers. I'd have to guess Phillips against Buffalo. Their site has really done a good job putting out new content year after year. These field access videos are just awesome.

[Texas Vike]

Holy cow, y’all. Check out this week’s Field Access video.

Wow. My allergies must be acting up. That one gave me the chills.

Couple of observations: 1) We have some serious leaders on this team in all position groups. Loved what I saw from O'Neil especially. PP is another that stands out. His emotional response and the words he exchanges with KOC at the end are gold. This is a team that BELIEVES in one another and in its coach. It's exhilarating to watch.

2) LOVED how this video juxtaposes Diggs rubbing it in when he thinks the Bills just won the game after Kirk's sneak comes up short with Kendricks' fumble recovery. I don't know if anyone else caught this, but throughout the game I noticed that there was no love lost between Kendricks and Diggs. After some of his catches Diggsy had friendly exchanges with guys like Harrison. But with Kendricks, you could tell that they don't love one another and they were pretty feisty at one another, so it was GLORIOUS that 54 was the one to get some instant karma. I also LOVED Hicks' statement to Kendricks in that moment: "I love playing with you, man!". Again, this is a team that has major chemistry. They are enjoying the heck out of this season.

3) Super fun to see the Dlinemen react to JJ's catch... not THE catch, but one of the 9 other less than 50% chance of completion catches... the one that I'd forgotten about that set us up at the 2 in OT and led to the game winning FG. Phillips, in particular, is absolutely stunned. Back to my first point, Harrison Phillips asks his fellow Dlinemen to "Do this for him, personally," which reminded me of PP's personal approach to the Cardinals' game. I like how these guys are finding motivation and fighting for one another on that front.

[quiznut1]

Holy cow, y’all. Check out this week’s Field Access video.

That was fun to watch.

Awesome!

Especially wanted to hear the full radio call of the fumbled snap in the end zone. What a turn of events that was.

Paul - "He didn't get out of there - he did not get out! That's a safety! Give it to us! Give us a safety!"
Pete - "Look at...what...what's taking so long?"
Paul - "Oh the ball came out!"
Pete - "It's a touchdown! Are you kidding me?"
Paul - "Yes, the Vikings are going to win!"
Pete - "Are you kidding me?"

[VikingLord]

I'm neither surprised nor offended by the line being what it is. To me, it reflects a couple of logical things: 1) If Darisaw is out, that's a hugely important piece for us, especially against one of Dallas's strengths, their DL and Micah. 2) Vegas knows that odds show when a team has a big emotional win that leaves everyone depleted, there is usually a consequence.

I still have faith in this team and our ability to beat the damn Cowgirls, but I completely understand why oddsmakers have set the line where they have.

I never question the wisdom of the herd, so if the line favors the Cowboys, there is a good reason for that and I'll accept it.

But still, the Cowboys are coming off a taxing OT loss where they were comfortably ahead at one point. I'm not sure which of the two teams has the emotional advantage coming into this game.

What I do know is that these Vikings just refuse to go quietly into the night, no matter how dark and cold it gets. The Cowboys are going to get everything they can handle and then some.

[VikingLord]

Couple of observations: 1) We have some serious leaders on this team in all position groups. Loved what I saw from O'Neil especially. PP is another that stands out. His emotional response and the words he exchanges with KOC at the end are gold. This is a team that BELIEVES in one another and in its coach. It's exhilarating to watch.

The importance of player leadership can never be overstated.

What crossed my mind when I watched the field access from the Bills game was the speech Al Pacino gave in the movie "Any Given Sunday". Honestly, this Vikings team has taken on the character and essence of what Pacino's character spoke about in that speech. A game of inches indeed... If you haven't seen the speech from that movie, I highly recommend it. He gets right to the essence of what makes a team great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1yWSePMqsk

[Pondering Her Percy]

Holy cow, y’all. Check out this week’s Field Access video.

Wow. My allergies must be acting up. That one gave me the chills.

Couple of observations: 1) We have some serious leaders on this team in all position groups. Loved what I saw from O'Neil especially. PP is another that stands out. His emotional response and the words he exchanges with KOC at the end are gold. This is a team that BELIEVES in one another and in its coach. It's exhilarating to watch.

2) LOVED how this video juxtaposes Diggs rubbing it in when he thinks the Bills just won the game after Kirk's sneak comes up short with Kendricks' fumble recovery. I don't know if anyone else caught this, but throughout the game I noticed that there was no love lost between Kendricks and Diggs. After some of his catches Diggsy had friendly exchanges with guys like Harrison. But with Kendricks, you could tell that they don't love one another and they were pretty feisty at one another, so it was GLORIOUS that 54 was the one to get some instant karma. I also LOVED Hicks' statement to Kendricks in that moment: "I love playing with you, man!". Again, this is a team that has major chemistry. They are enjoying the heck out of this season.

3) Super fun to see the Dlinemen react to JJ's catch... not THE catch, but one of the 9 other less than 50% chance of completion catches... the one that I'd forgotten about that set us up at the 2 in OT and led to the game winning FG. Phillips, in particular, is absolutely stunned. Back to my first point, Harrison Phillips asks his fellow Dlinemen to "Do this for him, personally," which reminded me of PP's personal approach to the Cardinals' game. I like how these guys are finding motivation and fighting for one another on that front.

I did not notice the battle between Diggs and Kendricks. Wish I would have. I've really gone sour on Diggs since his last year here. But yes I noticed in this video him smirking when he thought game was over. So it made it even better that we ended up beating them in the end.

Good post though. I watch all the content I can on their website and have been noticing just how close these guys really are and how hard they play for each other and their coach. Its really awesome to watch.

[Texas Vike]

I'm neither surprised nor offended by the line being what it is. To me, it reflects a couple of logical things: 1) If Darisaw is out, that's a hugely important piece for us, especially against one of Dallas's strengths, their DL and Micah. 2) Vegas knows that odds show when a team has a big emotional win that leaves everyone depleted, there is usually a consequence.

I still have faith in this team and our ability to beat the damn Cowgirls, but I completely understand why oddsmakers have set the line where they have.

I never question the wisdom of the herd, so if the line favors the Cowboys, there is a good reason for that and I'll accept it.

But still, the Cowboys are coming off a taxing OT loss where they were comfortably ahead at one point. I'm not sure which of the two teams has the emotional advantage coming into this game.

What I do know is that these Vikings just refuse to go quietly into the night, no matter how dark and cold it gets. The Cowboys are going to get everything they can handle and then some.

Personally, I ALWAYS question the herd. Ever since I read Herman Hesse's Steppenwolf as a teen, I have viewed the herd or masses as prone to group thought, lack of critical thinking, and a tendency to do everything from the perspective of safety. I remember my statistics professor in the Psychology department at Moorhead State University put this very idea in terms of the standard bell curve. The masses and mediocrity are in the central part of the bell, where the herd gathers, while innovation and ingenuity is in the tails of the bell curve. But enough philosophizing...

Someone who knows more about odds making: how are these lines set? Is it some extremely scientific/ advanced metrics team in Vegas who set the initial line and then it adjusts throughout the week according to how the money comes in? If so, is it purposefully controversial in order to promote betting? In other words, is a significant part of their calculation primarily motivated by trying to get as many people to bet as possible? There's a lot to ponder on this stuff, and I readily admit that I'm a complete novice with it.

[Cliff]

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[Crax]

Someone who knows more about odds making: how are these lines set? Is it some extremely scientific/ advanced metrics team in Vegas who set the initial line and then it adjusts throughout the week according to how the money comes in? If so, is it purposefully controversial in order to promote betting? In other words, is a significant part of their calculation primarily motivated by trying to get as many people to bet as possible? There's a lot to ponder on this stuff, and I readily admit that I'm a complete novice with it.

I'm not going to say I'm an expert on gambling, but yes, the line will change during the week. There are multiple odds makers, so you can look around to try and fine the best line, but they'll be close. The ultimate goal is always to make money for the bookies no matter who wins. Adjusting the lines during the week can help to try and bring more bets in if it's feeling lopsided one way as far as the bettors go. It's a bit different with point spread with NFL games compared to say MMA, but they are great at it and in many cases win either way.

Dallas opened as 2.5 point favorites, but down to 1 point favorite now at many, at 1.5 at some still, so the line has shifted as they've definitely been getting bets for the Vikings
https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/matchu ... s-vikings/

[Texas Vike]

@ Cliff and @ Crax.

Great responses, thanks. Cliff, yours had me rolling. Well played.

Crax: really appreciate this insight. So it's not crazy to think that they came out with that initial line with the intent to BE provocative, right? And get folks to put money down... In that case, the odds makers take into account national media discourse, fanbase idiosyncrasies (ours has the tendency to get offended / give a crap about not getting respect) etc. etc. in order to bait bettors. I figured that was the case. Even less of a reason to get our undies in a bunch!

[Crax]

@ Cliff and @ Crax.

Great responses, thanks. Cliff, yours had me rolling. Well played.

Crax: really appreciate this insight. So it's not crazy to think that they came out with that initial line with the intent to BE provocative, right? And get folks to put money down... In that case, the odds makers take into account national media discourse, fanbase idiosyncrasies (ours has the tendency to get offended / give a crap about not getting respect) etc. etc. in order to bait bettors. I figured that was the case. Even less of a reason to get our undies in a bunch!

I'm sure the cowboys in general get more betting action than the Vikings no matter who they are playing. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see the line shift towards Vikings favor, but it's so close now it won't need to shift much. Only thing that would really swing it is some big injury news.

[Texas Vike]

@ Cliff and @ Crax.

Great responses, thanks. Cliff, yours had me rolling. Well played.

Crax: really appreciate this insight. So it's not crazy to think that they came out with that initial line with the intent to BE provocative, right? And get folks to put money down... In that case, the odds makers take into account national media discourse, fanbase idiosyncrasies (ours has the tendency to get offended / give a crap about not getting respect) etc. etc. in order to bait bettors. I figured that was the case. Even less of a reason to get our undies in a bunch!

I'm sure the cowboys in general get more betting action than the Vikings no matter who they are playing. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see the line shift towards Vikings favor, but it's so close now it won't need to shift much. Only thing that would really swing it is some big injury news.

Makes sense. Darrisaw's availability (as well as Akayleb Evans) would impact it, I would think.

[VikingLord]

Personally, I ALWAYS question the herd. Ever since I read Herman Hesse's Steppenwolf as a teen, I have viewed the herd or masses as prone to group thought, lack of critical thinking, and a tendency to do everything from the perspective of safety. I remember my statistics professor in the Psychology department at Moorhead State University put this very idea in terms of the standard bell curve. The masses and mediocrity are in the central part of the bell, where the herd gathers, while innovation and ingenuity is in the tails of the bell curve. But enough philosophizing...

It's interesting though, because in the context of betting, the betting line defines where safety is. The riskier the bet the bigger the payoff, but the less likely the payoff is and the more one can also lose. So in the case of betting on the outcomes of football games at least, the wisdom of the herd isn't necessarily a negative.

In other words, the concepts of innovation and ingenuity might not be as profitable nor the stigma associated with group think or bias towards safety when it comes to placing bets, at least not over the longer term (although admittedly, they can pay off handsomely if you get it right).

[Texas Vike]

Personally, I ALWAYS question the herd. Ever since I read Herman Hesse's Steppenwolf as a teen, I have viewed the herd or masses as prone to group thought, lack of critical thinking, and a tendency to do everything from the perspective of safety. I remember my statistics professor in the Psychology department at Moorhead State University put this very idea in terms of the standard bell curve. The masses and mediocrity are in the central part of the bell, where the herd gathers, while innovation and ingenuity is in the tails of the bell curve. But enough philosophizing...

It's interesting though, because in the context of betting, the betting line defines where safety is. The riskier the bet the bigger the payoff, but the less likely the payoff is and the more one can also lose. So in the case of betting on the outcomes of football games at least, the wisdom of the herd isn't necessarily a negative.

In other words, the concepts of innovation and ingenuity might not be as profitable nor the stigma associated with group think or bias towards safety when it comes to placing bets, at least not over the longer term (although admittedly, they can pay off handsomely if you get it right).

Yeah, good thoughts. I'd love to pick the brain of a big time bettor regarding all of this. My brother in law studied actuarial science and does a fair bit of betting. I'll have to chew on this topic with him the next time I see him.