Kevin O'Connell will be next Vikings coach

[CharVike]

Who in their right mind would give a second-round draft choice for a third-round quarterback who has taken 3 snaps and looked lost while taking them?

I mean, I’d love it. But come on.

I'm pretty sure you're right about that.

Just to be clear I never would have selected Mond at any point. I just threw that out there. Picking him was basically throwing a pick away. He can't throw outside the numbers and I think he had trouble learning the offense. At one point it was out there. No team will say the guy is a moron. Nobody said Dexter Manley couldn't read or write until he did. Once the dude couldn't be a backup that told the story. Beyond that he is pencil thin. These guys hit hard. They are big and fast. He needs to add about 40 pounds. If I was the coach I would fear for his well being. Tall and lanky don't work at QB. Yes Cunningham. Who cares. He had one season throwing it to Moss and then sucked the following season. Hopefully we don't waste time on him.

[CharVike]

I have to confess seeing the 2022 Super Bowl made me depressed.

The Rams Sold the farm put their chips on Matthew Stafford being the missing piece to finally winning the Super Bowl. BINGO!
The Vikings Sold the farm and put their chip on Kirk Cousins being the missing piece to finally winning the Super Bowl. NOT BINGO!

Through free agency and draft, the 2021 Rams on paper looked like a Super Bowl or bust team. Delivered!
Through free agency and draft, the 2021 Vikings on paper looked like a Super Bowl or bust team. Yeah you get it!

I guess some franchises get it and some don't.

Neither team sold the farm. We didn't give up anything for Kirk. The Rams gave up some draft picks for Stafford and a QB that didn't fit although he took them to the Super Bowl. If they gave up Donald who is a beast then they would be done. We were done without Hunter. That Ram team has a much better core team than we do. Their OL and secondary makes ours look like a joke. They play well across the board. We played them this year and Stafford threw 3 interceptions and played like dog crap. How can a team win when the QB sucks? Well their special teams pulled the game out. Our special teams gave it away. See how that works. You need to play well at every level or you are done against good teams. Yes you can suck against the bad teams and still win but that won't happen in the playoffs. Very few had our team picked for the Super Bowl before the season. To start off we needed to win at least 14 for the division title. That's not easy to do. If we were in the NFC East it would be much easier. Dak the great won that division and then played like crap in the playoffs and got his a$$ kicked. A big time loser just like people call Kirk.

[CharVike]

Pretty excited to have an offensive HC again. I think Cousins will thrive and get an extension honestly.

I think Cousins plays good football but that doesn't mean if a top flight QB is there when we pick in the draft you don't select that player. Cousins will never be in the HOF. But he gives us a better chance than Famous Jamesis who was the top overall pick but can't make good decisions when throwing the ball as his 30 interceptions one year show. If Cousins threw 200 TD passes in a season and we got beat in the playoffs people will say he's a stat guy and nothing more. Stats are part of the game and how players are judged. If you get 20 sacks and your team sucks does that me you suck also? AP rushed for 2000 yards in a season for us which is fantastic but we got dumped in the playoffs. That's a loser stat guy like the haters call Kirk. We can unload Kirk and go with our backup. We all seen that bum this year. Every player on our team would be pissed if we did that. Even the guys that supposedly hate Kirk and I'm sure there are some just like any other work environment. I hope we do extend him because if things break right for us we only have a chance if we have a QB. We could play great but if we have a Case Kessum type at QB say good night. Dump every good player if you dump your good QB because it's over.

[Maelstrom88]

Pretty excited to have an offensive HC again. I think Cousins will thrive and get an extension honestly.

I think Cousins plays good football but that doesn't mean if a top flight QB is there when we pick in the draft you don't select that player. Cousins will never be in the HOF. But he gives us a better chance than Famous Jamesis who was the top overall pick but can't make good decisions when throwing the ball as his 30 interceptions one year show. If Cousins threw 200 TD passes in a season and we got beat in the playoffs people will say he's a stat guy and nothing more. Stats are part of the game and how players are judged. If you get 20 sacks and your team sucks does that me you suck also? AP rushed for 2000 yards in a season for us which is fantastic but we got dumped in the playoffs. That's a loser stat guy like the haters call Kirk. We can unload Kirk and go with our backup. We all seen that bum this year. Every player on our team would be pissed if we did that. Even the guys that supposedly hate Kirk and I'm sure there are some just like any other work environment. I hope we do extend him because if things break right for us we only have a chance if we have a QB. We could play great but if we have a Case Kessum type at QB say good night. Dump every good player if you dump your good QB because it's over.

Totally agree. Good post. They should have drafted Mac last year too.

[makila]

I have to confess seeing the 2022 Super Bowl made me depressed.

The Rams Sold the farm put their chips on Matthew Stafford being the missing piece to finally winning the Super Bowl. BINGO!
The Vikings Sold the farm and put their chip on Kirk Cousins being the missing piece to finally winning the Super Bowl. NOT BINGO!

Through free agency and draft, the 2021 Rams on paper looked like a Super Bowl or bust team. Delivered!
Through free agency and draft, the 2021 Vikings on paper looked like a Super Bowl or bust team. Yeah you get it!

I guess some franchises get it and some don't.

Yeah....

The Vikings, under RS, never fully went all in, ever. One of my biggest complaints about his lack of vision. His draft philosophy in a nutshell. Never pushed chips in, always wanted more chances.

The rams leveraged multiple future draft classes to build this roster, and ADDED key pieces to both sides of the ball during the year.

Amazing idea when you see a window open in the NFL, to go for it. Since they rarely stay open for long...

No Bradford doesn't count.

[StumpHunter]

I have to confess seeing the 2022 Super Bowl made me depressed.

The Rams Sold the farm put their chips on Matthew Stafford being the missing piece to finally winning the Super Bowl. BINGO!
The Vikings Sold the farm and put their chip on Kirk Cousins being the missing piece to finally winning the Super Bowl. NOT BINGO!

Through free agency and draft, the 2021 Rams on paper looked like a Super Bowl or bust team. Delivered!
Through free agency and draft, the 2021 Vikings on paper looked like a Super Bowl or bust team. Yeah you get it!

I guess some franchises get it and some don't.

The Rams have written up a blue print for success that is very different than the one NE had for years, and while it will be shorter lived than NE's, it happened without lucking into the GOAT in the 6th round of the draft and to me that makes it far more impressive.

They drafted two elite players who are arguably the best at their individual positions, and then spent more draft picks on trades for other great, already proven players. They have proven you don't have to build completely through the draft, but you do need to spend your draft picks wisely. When a great veteran player becomes available via trade, it is okay to trade picks for him. Two first rounders for a guy who already looks like the best CB in the NFL instead of wasting 2 1st rounders on rookies who just look good in college might not be such a dumb move after all. That makes sense too, since the success rate on those guys is about 50%, so you are probably going to take 2 1sts to get a successful CB in the draft anyway, and even that successful CB is almost certainly not going to be as good as Ramsey.

[CharVike]

I think Cousins plays good football but that doesn't mean if a top flight QB is there when we pick in the draft you don't select that player. Cousins will never be in the HOF. But he gives us a better chance than Famous Jamesis who was the top overall pick but can't make good decisions when throwing the ball as his 30 interceptions one year show. If Cousins threw 200 TD passes in a season and we got beat in the playoffs people will say he's a stat guy and nothing more. Stats are part of the game and how players are judged. If you get 20 sacks and your team sucks does that me you suck also? AP rushed for 2000 yards in a season for us which is fantastic but we got dumped in the playoffs. That's a loser stat guy like the haters call Kirk. We can unload Kirk and go with our backup. We all seen that bum this year. Every player on our team would be pissed if we did that. Even the guys that supposedly hate Kirk and I'm sure there are some just like any other work environment. I hope we do extend him because if things break right for us we only have a chance if we have a QB. We could play great but if we have a Case Kessum type at QB say good night. Dump every good player if you dump your good QB because it's over.

Totally agree. Good post. They should have drafted Mac last year too.

When he fell to us I was thrilled and my thought was pick this guy. It worked out perfect for us. I posted that during the draft. He has talent and throws a nice ball. The haters will fault him like they do Cousins because they don't run for 800 yards or some BS like that. Having your QB run is great but get ready for the knock out and it will happen eventually. The great Steve Young who could do everything and was the best dual or multiple threat to ever play this game and was a winner after being the biggest loser with Tampa was knocked out in the pocket. Remember though he never got a break. He was getting hit when throwing and then running getting hit. That takes a toll on a player. Once you wear down bad things will eventually happen. Like this Raven dual threat Lamar who is running through secondaries because his speed and run vision is beyond every QB. He will get laid out sooner or later and everybody will be crying. These defensive guys are making a living also in a violent sport. They will lay the hammer down when the chance is there. But he lacks passing ability and if he can't figure that out good luck getting a monster deal. The Ravens will let him walk. 16 TDs and 13 interceptions is unacceptable. Even if you lack all world WRs you need to play better than that.

[StumpHunter]

I have to confess seeing the 2022 Super Bowl made me depressed.

The Rams Sold the farm put their chips on Matthew Stafford being the missing piece to finally winning the Super Bowl. BINGO!
The Vikings Sold the farm and put their chip on Kirk Cousins being the missing piece to finally winning the Super Bowl. NOT BINGO!

Through free agency and draft, the 2021 Rams on paper looked like a Super Bowl or bust team. Delivered!
Through free agency and draft, the 2021 Vikings on paper looked like a Super Bowl or bust team. Yeah you get it!

I guess some franchises get it and some don't.

Yeah....

The Vikings, under RS, never fully went all in, ever. One of my biggest complaints about his lack of vision. His draft philosophy in a nutshell. Never pushed chips in, always wanted more chances.

The rams leveraged multiple future draft classes to build this roster, and ADDED key pieces to both sides of the ball during the year.

Amazing idea when you see a window open in the NFL, to go for it. Since they rarely stay open for long...

No Bradford doesn't count.

Never went all in and never allowed the team to bottom out. This team had no chance to compete for a SB in 2020, but the GM kept guys around who he was planning on letting leave in 2021 anyway and who just ate up cap space, and made a terrible trade for a DE he knew he couldn't afford to keep if he actually had a successful season with the Vikings in a losing season.

He didn't know when to just deal with what he had when it was clear it wasn't going to be our year, and the Bradford and Ngakoue trades are prime examples of that.

[Maelstrom88]

Yeah....

The Vikings, under RS, never fully went all in, ever. One of my biggest complaints about his lack of vision. His draft philosophy in a nutshell. Never pushed chips in, always wanted more chances.

The rams leveraged multiple future draft classes to build this roster, and ADDED key pieces to both sides of the ball during the year.

Amazing idea when you see a window open in the NFL, to go for it. Since they rarely stay open for long...

No Bradford doesn't count.

Never went all in and never allowed the team to bottom out. This team had no chance to compete for a SB in 2020, but the GM kept guys around who he was planning on letting leave in 2021 anyway and who just ate up cap space, and made a terrible trade for a DE he knew he couldn't afford to keep if he actually had a successful season with the Vikings in a losing season.

He didn't know when to just deal with what he had when it was clear it wasn't going to be our year, and the Bradford and Ngakoue trades are prime examples of that.

Those trades were really bad. Bradford was a panic move because they refused to have a quality back up who would push the starter. If you don't have confidence in your back up to step in for a long period of time he shouldn't be on the team. Ngakoue was a good trade but then to flip him for less weeks later and not account for fitting him under the cap longterm shows a lack of vision. It's the sane with how they neglected training a QB to groom for the future when a starter was in place. Rick doesn't deserve to be a GM again.

[Cliff]

Yeah....

The Vikings, under RS, never fully went all in, ever.

They absolutely went all in for the 2018 season. They spent a lot of money keeping the 2017 mostly intact and broke the bank adding the "missing piece" which they perceived as a better QB. I think the team's steady decline is a direct results of "going all in" in 2018.

[makila]

Yeah....

The Vikings, under RS, never fully went all in, ever.

They absolutely went all in for the 2018 season. They spent a lot of money keeping the 2017 mostly intact and broke the bank adding the "missing piece" which they perceived as a better QB. I think the team's steady decline is a direct results of "going all in" in 2018.

Fair! Should have restrained comment to the original 2021 year that was made.

[CharVike]

Yeah....

The Vikings, under RS, never fully went all in, ever.

They absolutely went all in for the 2018 season. They spent a lot of money keeping the 2017 mostly intact and broke the bank adding the "missing piece" which they perceived as a better QB. I think the team's steady decline is a direct results of "going all in" in 2018.

Are you sure they went all in. Our D was destroyed by some backup QB in the NFC Champ game. Don't you think they over looked that beaten to death performance. No great D plays like that. Especially against a stiff backup QB. They over looked that piece. They were still thinking shutting out the Packers was the best D we ever had. For that game yes but the Packers had no team that year and nothing at QB. They didn't see that D wasn't what it appeared to be. Good teams were able to put points up on that D. In 2018 we couldn't shut out the Packers. They moved the ball great. That team wasn't what they thought it was and many things contributed to that so called magical 2017 season including the Packers having no QB. The Lions with Super Bowl winner Stafford couldn't score against us. That team was terrible. They stuck with the same players too long. Rhodes never played like he did in 2017 again. Two straight season of garbage. Griffen went awall and it went on and on. Under Rick we never had a decent FG kicker. Still don't. That 2017 made it far but many things contributed to that including no competition in our division and a miracle win. All that don't matter as they need to determine next steps for the now. One of them better be keeping a good QB under center.

[VikingLord]

Our D was destroyed by some backup QB in the NFC Champ game. Don't you think they over looked that beaten to death performance. No great D plays like that. Especially against a stiff backup QB.

Foles played anything like a "stiff backup QB" in that game, and he followed up his performance against the Vikings with a master class against the Patriots in the Superbowl.

While its hard to characterize Foles as more than a backup QB over his career, for those two games at least, he was the best QB in the NFL bar none.

I don't let Zimmer completely off the hook in that game, but Foles was just that good, and for the Vikings to have any chance they needed Keenum and their offense to be at the top of their game and they were anything but that.

[StumpHunter]

They absolutely went all in for the 2018 season. They spent a lot of money keeping the 2017 mostly intact and broke the bank adding the "missing piece" which they perceived as a better QB. I think the team's steady decline is a direct results of "going all in" in 2018.

Are you sure they went all in. Our D was destroyed by some backup QB in the NFC Champ game. Don't you think they over looked that beaten to death performance. No great D plays like that. Especially against a stiff backup QB. They over looked that piece. They were still thinking shutting out the Packers was the best D we ever had. For that game yes but the Packers had no team that year and nothing at QB. They didn't see that D wasn't what it appeared to be. Good teams were able to put points up on that D. In 2018 we couldn't shut out the Packers. They moved the ball great. That team wasn't what they thought it was and many things contributed to that so called magical 2017 season including the Packers having no QB. The Lions with Super Bowl winner Stafford couldn't score against us. That team was terrible. They stuck with the same players too long. Rhodes never played like he did in 2017 again. Two straight season of garbage. Griffen went awall and it went on and on. Under Rick we never had a decent FG kicker. Still don't. That 2017 made it far but many things contributed to that including no competition in our division and a miracle win. All that don't matter as they need to determine next steps for the now. One of them better be keeping a good QB under center.

You might have a point on that 2017 D if Bill Bellicheck's D didn't get beat much worse by the same stiff QB 2 weeks later. It was a fluke that Foles did what he did against the Vikings and the Patriots, something that would not have happened if both those teams had a season of film of Foles being successful in that offense. Wentz is at the helm and I still think we lose, because Case was giving the Eagles points, regardless of what our D did, but it is at least closer, and I doubt the Eagles win the SB.

2018 the Vikings' D got off to a bad start, mostly because of the sudden and weird departure of one of the defensive captains. After that the D played 3 top 10 offenses, averaging 20 points against in those 3 losses. This, despite the offense doing everything it could to give the opposition great field position and keep our D on the field in those three games.

It was an elite D in 2017, and was still really good in 2018 where they actually added a solid veteran DT to the only spot on the D that was missing a quality starter.

[CharVike]

Our D was destroyed by some backup QB in the NFC Champ game. Don't you think they over looked that beaten to death performance. No great D plays like that. Especially against a stiff backup QB.

Foles played anything like a "stiff backup QB" in that game, and he followed up his performance against the Vikings with a master class against the Patriots in the Superbowl.

While its hard to characterize Foles as more than a backup QB over his career, for those two games at least, he was the best QB in the NFL bar none.

I don't let Zimmer completely off the hook in that game, but Foles was just that good, and for the Vikings to have any chance they needed Keenum and their offense to be at the top of their game and they were anything but that.

I know what Foles did and he's still in the NFL on the Bears bench. That team out coached everyone that year with a philly special play and other things. But that 2017 team of ours had everything break right and we couldn't do it. Kessum as Elway called him is a backup bum. He threw the pick 6 against Philly and that turned the game. Pick 6 plays turn games around. Same thing happened against Wilson in Chicago. Kessum who Elway gave a fortune to cost Elway his job. You can't give a stiff 17 million. We need to go forward. That's the key. IMO a bridge bum for QB is not going forward. That's a total rebuild and at that point dump all your good players.None will be happy anyway staying with a stiff bridge guy.