J Jefferson throwing shade at Cousins

[Pondering Her Percy]

ehhhhh was that it? Because last I remember you were the one saying you would've passed on Cousins and kept Case. I dont know maybe I'm mixing up two different conversations.

Yes, you know they are two separate conversations and stated as much when you brought the previous one into this one.

Sorry you didn't like my plan, but most of the people who read it agreed that team I put together (using the numbers they actually signed for) was better than the 7 win disaster we trotted out there last season. Can't please everyone I guess.

Lol I don’t recall a single person agreeing with you. And I already proved your plan to be completely unrealistic. You paid a million free agents thinking that was going to solve the problem. 1.) putting all your eggs into free agency never works out and 2.) I went in depth and showed how you were a mile and a half over the cap.

...in turn, unrealistic. And I don’t recall anyone praising you for Jordan Love. Literally not a soul. So by the sounds of it, you’re living in fantasy land brother

[Pondering Her Percy]

Jumping in here after the season Keenum had he wasn't going to sign cheap and he didn't sign cheap unless you consider $20 million cheap.

He signed for 18 million a year on the open market and you think we would have paid more than that if we kept him in house?

I told you this same exact thing back then. Whether it’s 18 million or 20 million, doesn’t matter. You literally overpaid a boat load of free agents. Kept dead weight on our team. Still had diggs mega contract no less he wouldn’t want to be here any more than he did a few years back. Like idk what you’re trying to fight here, your plan simply wasn’t realistic no less jordan love was not the answer. And reaching on him in round 1 is also a poor move. And we currently wouldn’t have JJ. So all in all, the plan you had is dead, it’s moot, it’s unrealistic and we would’ve been worse off. And we would STILL be sitting here not knowing if we have a legit QB on our roster.

[YikesVikes]

I don't think being excited after a nice play or TD is showing off or arrogance.....JMO.

Excitement good. What Diggs does after every catch not good. I like a happy medium between no excitement and Diggs IMO overexcitement while with the Vikings. I just watched film of him with Buffalo and he has toned it down a bit. What a great season he had. 1847 yards and 10 TDs. I'm impressed.

If what Diggs did with the Vikings wasn't showing off than what does a player have to do for you to consider it showing off?
I don't think I'm a celebration prude. I used to love Billy "White Shoes" Johnson.

What didn't you like, the first down hand signal or the TD celebrations?

[YikesVikes]

He signed for 18 million a year on the open market and you think we would have paid more than that if we kept him in house?

I told you this same exact thing back then. Whether it’s 18 million or 20 million, doesn’t matter. You literally overpaid a boat load of free agents. Kept dead weight on our team. Still had diggs mega contract no less he wouldn’t want to be here any more than he did a few years back. Like idk what you’re trying to fight here, your plan simply wasn’t realistic no less jordan love was not the answer. And reaching on him in round 1 is also a poor move. And we currently wouldn’t have JJ. So all in all, the plan you had is dead, it’s moot, it’s unrealistic and we would’ve been worse off. And we would STILL be sitting here not knowing if we have a legit QB on our roster.

Arguments like these are flawed on both sides. You have no idea what Jordan Love is as a player as he is stuck behind an MVP QB. We also might not have had the same record/draft position with another QB. Then we have to take in to account the randomness of injuries (maybe Hunter is not on the field to get his neck stinger because the offense is eating the clock more in that particular game). All this is so random. No one knows for sure. Kirk being on the Jets changes the Sam Darnold draft, may lead to the phins firing their coaching staff again and starting over at QB yet again.

[VikingsVictorious]

Excitement good. What Diggs does after every catch not good. I like a happy medium between no excitement and Diggs IMO overexcitement while with the Vikings. I just watched film of him with Buffalo and he has toned it down a bit. What a great season he had. 1847 yards and 10 TDs. I'm impressed.

If what Diggs did with the Vikings wasn't showing off than what does a player have to do for you to consider it showing off?
I don't think I'm a celebration prude. I used to love Billy "White Shoes" Johnson.

What didn't you like, the first down hand signal or the TD celebrations?

If you can't tell how over the top Diggs celebrations were on virtually every catch he made I can't help you with this. He was the biggest show off in the entire NFL. But I still loved having him.

[YikesVikes]

What didn't you like, the first down hand signal or the TD celebrations?

If you can't tell how over the top Diggs celebrations were on virtually every catch he made I can't help you with this. He was the biggest show off in the entire NFL. But I still loved having him.

Maybe you are watching the wrong sport.

[StumpHunter]

He signed for 18 million a year on the open market and you think we would have paid more than that if we kept him in house?

I told you this same exact thing back then. Whether it’s 18 million or 20 million, doesn’t matter. You literally overpaid a boat load of free agents. Kept dead weight on our team. Still had diggs mega contract no less he wouldn’t want to be here any more than he did a few years back. Like idk what you’re trying to fight here, your plan simply wasn’t realistic no less jordan love was not the answer. And reaching on him in round 1 is also a poor move. And we currently wouldn’t have JJ. So all in all, the plan you had is dead, it’s moot, it’s unrealistic and we would’ve been worse off. And we would STILL be sitting here not knowing if we have a legit QB on our roster.

Can you tell me who the dead weight was specifically? Who I overpaid? How wanting to draft a QB a pick before a very competent GM traded up to pick him was reaching for a QB?

[fiestavike]

If you can't tell how over the top Diggs celebrations were on virtually every catch he made I can't help you with this. He was the biggest show off in the entire NFL. But I still loved having him.

Maybe you are watching the wrong sport.

Maybe we are all watching the wrong sport(s)

[Pondering Her Percy]

I told you this same exact thing back then. Whether it’s 18 million or 20 million, doesn’t matter. You literally overpaid a boat load of free agents. Kept dead weight on our team. Still had diggs mega contract no less he wouldn’t want to be here any more than he did a few years back. Like idk what you’re trying to fight here, your plan simply wasn’t realistic no less jordan love was not the answer. And reaching on him in round 1 is also a poor move. And we currently wouldn’t have JJ. So all in all, the plan you had is dead, it’s moot, it’s unrealistic and we would’ve been worse off. And we would STILL be sitting here not knowing if we have a legit QB on our roster.

Can you tell me who the dead weight was specifically? Who I overpaid? How wanting to draft a QB a pick before a very competent GM traded up to pick him was reaching for a QB?

Yes I can actually. I went back and looked at the post

So a couple things.....

1.) You didnt have us trading Cousins in this "plan". You had us holding Keenum and then drafting Love.

2.) Just because a "very competent GM" traded up for Jordan Love, doesnt mean it was a good move by any means. Howie Roseman was once looked at as a competent GM however, he done nothing but bury his team in cap hell and botch draft picks ever since their SB run.

3.) Here is my exact response to your "plan" back when you posted it......

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.....I literally dont have a clue how you even thought this was remotely close to being realistic or even affordable.

Here is every free agents you signed cap hit this year and next:

Suh- $8 million in 2020, free agent in 2021 (which obviously never really filled a hole)
Ryan- $8 million in 2020, $7 million in 2021
Glasgow- $6 million in 2020, $12 million in 2021
Conklin- $8 million in 2020, $13 million in 2021

Those 4 free agents alone counted for $30 million in 2020 and $32 million in 2021 with a hole left at 3 tech DT.

THEN you add on the following:

-Keenum's contract which would've been roughly in the $12 million per year range.
-Diggs' massive contract
-Griffen's contract
-Mack's contract
-Klein's contract
-Harris' new contract

....lol like I dont even know what even say to you other than I hope you're joking because you are so far beyond the cap right now it's not even a question. I feel like you're approach here just blew up in your face because you didnt realize how much you just added to this roster in place of Cousins.

The difference in cap hit between Cousins contract (right now and in previous years) compared to Keenums (what he got from Denver), is roughly $12 million. We could've landed 1 of those 4 free agents if we were lucky but most of that $12 million is eliminated because of who you decided to retain.

So to sum it all up, this mock offseason you tried to list was so far from reality it's not even funny. It's literally not even close to being possible. But even IF it was, going into 2021 we'd have holes at DT (Suh was a 1 year deal), CB because Hughes/Hill are not good and Mack would've probably been a 1 year deal (even though there is no way he would've resigned anyways) and Logan Ryan would be 30, guard (because you wouldnt be keeping Kline around) and our QB situation would be a GIGANTIC question mark for (in your situation) 4 years running now....and we'd still have no answers currently. And like I said, that's all IF this was even possible which it 100% wouldnt have been.

So basically I think all you did was prove to everyone exactly why you arent paid to evaluate talent and put a team together.....

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Soooo yeah.... that should answer all your questions.

[Pondering Her Percy]

I told you this same exact thing back then. Whether it’s 18 million or 20 million, doesn’t matter. You literally overpaid a boat load of free agents. Kept dead weight on our team. Still had diggs mega contract no less he wouldn’t want to be here any more than he did a few years back. Like idk what you’re trying to fight here, your plan simply wasn’t realistic no less jordan love was not the answer. And reaching on him in round 1 is also a poor move. And we currently wouldn’t have JJ. So all in all, the plan you had is dead, it’s moot, it’s unrealistic and we would’ve been worse off. And we would STILL be sitting here not knowing if we have a legit QB on our roster.

Arguments like these are flawed on both sides. You have no idea what Jordan Love is as a player as he is stuck behind an MVP QB. We also might not have had the same record/draft position with another QB. Then we have to take in to account the randomness of injuries (maybe Hunter is not on the field to get his neck stinger because the offense is eating the clock more in that particular game). All this is so random. No one knows for sure. Kirk being on the Jets changes the Sam Darnold draft, may lead to the phins firing their coaching staff again and starting over at QB yet again.

Oh I agree there are so many IFs when having discussions like this. However, I didnt like Love then and I dont like him now. He was a project coming out. Plain and simple. No less he was coming out of a crap conference and didnt play the best competition. And STILL had a poor year passing wise.

Answer me this.....take Love when he was coming out of college. And then take Kellen Mond this year. One was drafted with the 26th pick of the first round and one was drafted with the 66th pick in the third round. Granted there is a ton of unknown around both of these QBs but from a pure skill standpoint and from what you saw in college here is the million dollar question....

Was Jordan Love's potential FORTY picks better than Kellen Mond's when factoring in everything (passing numbers, size, arm strength, level of competition, wins, wonderlic, etc.)???? I dont see any way someone can answer yes to that.

[VikingsVictorious]

If you can't tell how over the top Diggs celebrations were on virtually every catch he made I can't help you with this. He was the biggest show off in the entire NFL. But I still loved having him.

Maybe you are watching the wrong sport.

Whatever dude. American football is a good sport. I'm watching the right one. There are other sports I like better for example Ultimate Frisbee which has about 10X more passing plays and far more excitement. I'm not some stick in the mud old fogey. I like players showing excitement. You however are simply blind if you can't see how over the top Diggs celebrations were while with the Vikings. To me he was the most demonstrative player in the entire league. It only slightly annoyed me because he was making those plays for my team. If he had been a Packer making those plays against us I would have hated him with a passion.

[VikingsVictorious]

Maybe you are watching the wrong sport.

Maybe we are all watching the wrong sport(s)

There are lots of sports to watch. American Football is one I like a lot. My other Faves are Ultimate Frisbee, Disc Golf, NBA basketball, but not college, Ice Hockey, and Ball Golf.

[YikesVikes]

Arguments like these are flawed on both sides. You have no idea what Jordan Love is as a player as he is stuck behind an MVP QB. We also might not have had the same record/draft position with another QB. Then we have to take in to account the randomness of injuries (maybe Hunter is not on the field to get his neck stinger because the offense is eating the clock more in that particular game). All this is so random. No one knows for sure. Kirk being on the Jets changes the Sam Darnold draft, may lead to the phins firing their coaching staff again and starting over at QB yet again.

Oh I agree there are so many IFs when having discussions like this. However, I didnt like Love then and I dont like him now. He was a project coming out. Plain and simple. No less he was coming out of a crap conference and didnt play the best competition. And STILL had a poor year passing wise.

Answer me this.....take Love when he was coming out of college. And then take Kellen Mond this year. One was drafted with the 26th pick of the first round and one was drafted with the 66th pick in the third round. Granted there is a ton of unknown around both of these QBs but from a pure skill standpoint and from what you saw in college here is the million dollar question....

Was Jordan Love's potential FORTY picks better than Kellen Mond's when factoring in everything (passing numbers, size, arm strength, level of competition, wins, wonderlic, etc.)???? I dont see any way someone can answer yes to that.

I will say that both players were drafted around where they were expected to go. I don't like the Kellen Mond pick. I like that we selected a QB but I don't like him as a prospect. I believe QB is the one position that you must absolutely be in love with a prospect. It is not the positon that you take the number 2 or 3 guy on your board at the position.

Things I don't like about Mond are...
his passing numbers on deep throws.
His passing numbers on deep throws to the side line
His passing numbers on med sideline throws
His throwing motion.

[Pondering Her Percy]

Oh I agree there are so many IFs when having discussions like this. However, I didnt like Love then and I dont like him now. He was a project coming out. Plain and simple. No less he was coming out of a crap conference and didnt play the best competition. And STILL had a poor year passing wise.

Answer me this.....take Love when he was coming out of college. And then take Kellen Mond this year. One was drafted with the 26th pick of the first round and one was drafted with the 66th pick in the third round. Granted there is a ton of unknown around both of these QBs but from a pure skill standpoint and from what you saw in college here is the million dollar question....

Was Jordan Love's potential FORTY picks better than Kellen Mond's when factoring in everything (passing numbers, size, arm strength, level of competition, wins, wonderlic, etc.)???? I dont see any way someone can answer yes to that.

I will say that both players were drafted around where they were expected to go. I don't like the Kellen Mond pick. I like that we selected a QB but I don't like him as a prospect. I believe QB is the one position that you must absolutely be in love with a prospect. It is not the positon that you take the number 2 or 3 guy on your board at the position.

Things I don't like about Mond are...
his passing numbers on deep throws.
His passing numbers on deep throws to the side line
His passing numbers on med sideline throws
His throwing motion.

Ok but again, why was Love "expected" to go where he did? The guy threw 20 TDs and 17 INTs his final year....in the Mountain West no less. That's pretty poor if you ask me and I know if the Vikings drafted him, in round 1 no less, I'd be less than impressed. IMO, his potential and ceiling is no different than Kellen Mond. I would probably even say Mond has a higher ceiling.

Check this....

Among the 33 quarterbacks taken within the first three rounds of the draft since 2015, as well as the top prospects from this year’s class (Burrow, Tua, Herbert, etc.) , Love’s PFF overall grade in his final collegiate season ranks better than only the following: Jacoby Brissett, Christian Hackenberg, C.J. Beathard, Davis Webb, DeShone Kizer, Josh Allen and Daniel Jones.

More at the link: https://www.pff.com/news/college-buyer- ... ordan-love

He was a flat out reach by GB. The guy had no right going in round 1.

[YikesVikes]

I will say that both players were drafted around where they were expected to go. I don't like the Kellen Mond pick. I like that we selected a QB but I don't like him as a prospect. I believe QB is the one position that you must absolutely be in love with a prospect. It is not the positon that you take the number 2 or 3 guy on your board at the position.

Things I don't like about Mond are...
his passing numbers on deep throws.
His passing numbers on deep throws to the side line
His passing numbers on med sideline throws
His throwing motion.

Ok but again, why was Love "expected" to go where he did? The guy threw 20 TDs and 17 INTs his final year....in the Mountain West no less. That's pretty poor if you ask me and I know if the Vikings drafted him, in round 1 no less, I'd be less than impressed. IMO, his potential and ceiling is no different than Kellen Mond. I would probably even say Mond has a higher ceiling.

Check this....

Among the 33 quarterbacks taken within the first three rounds of the draft since 2015, as well as the top prospects from this year’s class (Burrow, Tua, Herbert, etc.) , Love’s PFF overall grade in his final collegiate season ranks better than only the following: Jacoby Brissett, Christian Hackenberg, C.J. Beathard, Davis Webb, DeShone Kizer, Josh Allen and Daniel Jones.

More at the link: https://www.pff.com/news/college-buyer- ... ordan-love

He was a flat out reach by GB. The guy had no right going in round 1.

In fairness, he was a JR and Mond is a Senior.