49ers Post Game

[halfgiz]

I mean I’m leaning towards extending him because that gives him another year in this system, saves us money and gives us opportunity to draft a QB maybe next year and use early picks on filling holes along the DL, defensive backfield and OL.

Another year in our system
Every year we have a new OC what system?

I'm not happy that we don't even have a legit backup QB. There is no excuse for that.

[VikeFanInEagleLand]

I’m pretty sure he changed plenty of talking points this season. Put plenty of narratives to bed. Proved many of the haters wrong.

[VikeFanInEagleLand]

I’m pretty sure he changed plenty of talking points this season. Put plenty of narratives to bed. Proved many of the haters wrong.

Yeah? I haven't a heard single person on TV...I haven't read a single article...I haven't seen a single post on here where someone has said "Yes, I was wrong about Cousins. He proved to me that he is much better QB than I thought he was. He's a true winner"

Your objectivity, when it comes to Cousins, is non-existent.

You point out that we should forget what Cousins did in Washington, but all you do is point to what Bridgewater & Keenum have done outside of Minnesota. Keenum went 13-3 and when it is pointed out that his offense averaged 24 points per game, you ignore that and say they won because of the defense. And you really don't offer up much of a reason why Bridgewater had success at all. And when someone post video evidence from the SF that Cousins totally missed open receivers, your only response is that Bridgewater would have missed them too.

And we HAVE moved on from Keenum & Teddy. No one here is under the delusion that they are coming back to Minnesota or that we even want them back in Minnesota. All we want is for our CURRENT QB, Kirk Cousins to perform better. The only reason it's talked about is because all we ever hear is that Keenum sucked and Bridgewater is a bum but the only reason Kirk didn't take us to the Super Bowl is because the OL was terrible or the game plans stunk.

All I want is a winning team. You can take all your Kirk Cousins stats and flush them down your toilet. I don't care about them. All that matters to me is getting to and winning a SB. So the fact is that all three of these QB's took the Vikings to the playoffs. Keenum was the QB for one(1) win, and Cousins was the QB for one(1) win. Teddy lost his playoff game in frigid weather by one point.

In my book, when it comes to winning (notice how I didn't say when it comes to impressive stats or impressive QB tools) there isn't much separating these QB's. You think I'm crazy for thinking that Keenum or Bridgewater may have gotten us just as far this year as Cousins, if not further, and I think you're crazy if you think Cousins would have won more game in Denver or Washington than Keenum, or that Cousins would have started ahead of Brees in NO (because after all, that was your criticism of Bridgewater...that he's a backup).

I realize that this is wasted on you. Nothing I or anyone else will ever say will get you to take off your Rose Colored Cousins glasses. This was strictly therapeutic.

[Pondering Her Percy]

I mean I’m leaning towards extending him because that gives him another year in this system, saves us money and gives us opportunity to draft a QB maybe next year and use early picks on filling holes along the DL, defensive backfield and OL.

Another year in our system
Every year we have a new OC what system?

I'm not happy that we don't even have a legit backup QB. There is no excuse for that.

I’m speaking in the sense that it’s quite clear it’s going to be one of the kubiaks. Which is indeed the same system. Plus zimmer said he wanted to keep the same scheme/play calling.

[Pondering Her Percy]

Yeah? I haven't a heard single person on TV...I haven't read a single article...I haven't seen a single post on here where someone has said "Yes, I was wrong about Cousins. He proved to me that he is much better QB than I thought he was. He's a true winner"

I mean, watch more tv and read more articles I guess? The media, analysts on tv, etc were saying for quite some time this season that he was an MVP candidate. The guys in good morning football raved about him all season. Schraeger and Brandt both said they have bought into Kirk cousins. There are PFF articles out there talking him up. Plenty of articles over the season that talked him up. Kapp came on here saying he was wrong on cousins after week 4. I mean do you really expect any other cousins hater to come on here and be like “yeah he’s the man”? No.

You point out that we should forget what Cousins did in Washington, but all you do is point to what Bridgewater & Keenum have done outside of Minnesota.

Yeah I said cousins teams weren’t very good in Washington, at all. But I’ve also acknowledged that keenums Washington team was as well. But if anyone thinks that denver team that Keenum went to was “bad” I’m going to say you’re wrong. Teddys team in New Orleans obviously isn’t bad. My main thing with cousins in Washington was the fact their defense was consistently terrible when cousins was there. Teddy didn’t have a bad D in New Orleans. Case didn’t have a bad D in Denver. I’m not saying cousins years in Washington don’t count. But it’s fu#king Washington! They were probably even worse when case was there. But they are one of the most dysfunctional franchises out there that have consistently put together terrible rosters and coaching for how many years now? Similar to a team like the dolphins. But regardless, if we’re going to talk cousins in Washington then we’ll talk case and teddy on other teams and vice versa. But I don’t hold bad play over keenums head nearly as much when he was on Washington as I do on denver because they were drastically different teams and talent level.

Keenum went 13-3 and when it is pointed out that his offense averaged 24 points per game, you ignore that and say they won because of the offense. And you really don't offer up much of a reason why Bridgewater had success at all. And when someone post video evidence from the SF that Cousins totally missed open receivers, your only response is that Bridgewater would have missed them too.

Keenum went 12-3 and had the number one defense in the NFL. Let me repeat that, the NUMBER ONE defense. 1st in total D, 2nd in run D, 2nd in pass D. Just to put that into perspective, this year we were 19th in total defense, 13th in run D and 15th against the pass. They went from a DOMINANT defense in 2017 to an average one at best this year. Is anyone saying that Jimmy G is carrying the 49ers this year? #2 in total D, #1 in pass D and #17 in run D. No. They talk about the defense. Did anyone say Trubisky carried the bears last year? No. Both QBs played good enough football to win while riding their defense. Same goes for Keenum and keenums defense was better than both the bears and 49ers. So am I really saying something that out of line by saying he was carried by his defense? Not at all. He played good enough to win.

But for example this year, cousins played plenty well enough vs Seattle to win but the defense couldn’t hold up. If cousins had keenums defense this year, it’s a whole different ball game. He didn’t. He didn’t have anything remotely close to that 2017 defense.

As for Teddy, I said that he was carried by AP and when you go back and looks that’s exactly what happened. And who posted clips of him missing open WRs? Because if someone did I didn’t notice it. I simply saw somebody mention that cousins didn’t take shots downfield. I have spoke out about the guys that say “look cousins missed this guy and that guy” and I have said 10 times on here that I can go back and look at any QBs film this year and find PLENTY of open WRs that QBs “missed”. But again, you, me, anyone has NO IDEA who was what read, what the play call was, etc. Its easy to sit there and just look for guys that were open and call him out for it. There is an entire you tube video of Aaron Rodgers missing open WRs. I’ve posted it on here before. Analysts just got on Russell Wilson for missing a wide open WR vs GB and ran around and took a sack instead. It’s simply everyone on the outside thinking they know how to play QB and point out a flaw when essentially they have no idea.

But can you name me 10 shots downfield that teddy took when he was here? He’s one of the most conservative QBs in the nfl. One of the only legitimate shots I can remember teddy taking is to diggs vs Detroit and diggs made a great catch because teddy nearly overthrew him. So again, is it that out of line for me to say Teddy wouldn’t take those shots against SF when he hardly took any here and had the lowest depth per target of anyone in the nfl this year? Not at all.

And we HAVE moved on from Keenum & Teddy. No one here is under the delusion that they are coming back to Minnesota or that we even want them back in Minnesota. All we want is for our CURRENT QB, Kirk Cousins to perform better. The only reason it's talked about is because all we ever hear is that Keenum sucked and Bridgewater is a bum but the only reason Kirk didn't take us to the Super Bowl is because the OL was terrible or the game plans stunk.

Fiesta literally just said sign teddy and trade Kirk. As for Kirk performing better, he 100% performed better than teddy ever has. As for Keenum, they had similar years but again, Keenum had a defense that was hands down the best in the nfl where Kirk had an average at best one AND Kirk beat a better New Orleans on the road in OT in the playoffs than case did at home and needed a miracle to do it. Oh and that was WITH the number one defense in the nfl.

And yeah as for Kirk taking us to a SB, I say that not only is this OL bad but it’s the damn defense more than anything dude. They aren’t comparable. This team simply wasn’t the team that Keenum had in 2017, specifically the defense. Are you going to honestly sit there and tell me that if Kirk had the NUMBER ONE defense in the nfl this year that our season would’ve went the same way? Not. Even. Close. No way you could honestly say that.

All I want is a winning team. You can take all your Kirk Cousins stats and flush them down your toilet. I don't care about them. All that matters to me is getting to and winning a SB. So the fact is that all three of these QB's took the Vikings to the playoffs. Keenum was the QB for one(1) win, and Cousins was the QB for one(1) win. Teddy lost his playoff game in frigid weather by one point.

But they were all drastically different teams. It’s not like everything was the same and as effective when each of those 3 QBs were starting here. That’s what some fans don’t get. Some are completely blinded by the 2017 defense and think we had that both years cousins has been here. And we didn’t. At all.

In my book, when it comes to winning (notice how I didn't say when it comes to impressive stats or impressive QB tools) there isn't much separating these QB's. You think I'm crazy for thinking that Keenum or Bridgewater may have gotten us just as far this year as Cousins, if not further, and I think you're crazy if you think Cousins would have won more game in Denver or Washington than Keenum, or that Cousins would have started ahead of Brees in NO (because after all, that was your criticism of Bridgewater...that he's a backup).

I don’t see any way Keenum gets us to 10 wins with this defense. Same goes for teddy. I see cousins 100% winning more games in Denver than Keenum. That denver team was better than any of Cousins Washington teams and cousins was winning roughly 8 games a year on those teams. Keenum won 6 and lost to like 2-3 of the worst teams in the nfl. And I refer to teddy as a backup because he got signed as one. Why would teddy sign to be a backup if he could go start somewhere? Supposedly Miami was interested but Miami was going nowhere and arguably had the worst roster in the nfl . Outside of that he had no other offers? Why is that? He settled for being a backup. Not somewhere he could compete, a flat out backup. And no I never once said cousins would start over Brees but I guarantee you he’d get more offers than teddy did. Well he did that offseason and will again if the time comes. Why is that? Because he an obvious better overall QB. I mean do you think all these nfl teams are missing out on teddy and overlooking him? There’s reasons they weren’t offering him much in terms of a contract if one at all. How many starting QBs out there could get released and receive only an offer from the dolphins to be a starter? Not many at all. But teddy is one of them

I realize that this is wasted on you. Nothing I or anyone else will ever say will get you to take off your Rose Colored Cousins glasses. This was strictly therapeutic.

Listen I don’t have rose colored glasses on cousins. I’ve openly admitted when he’s played bad. But I’m sorry, he’s a flat out better QB than Keenum and Bridgewater. And I also believe that if cousins had that 2017 defense it would be a whole different story. So compare cousins now to Keenum in 2017 just simply isn’t comparable given the defenses. Bridgewater is simply not an impressive QB and more conservative than just about anyone out there. So I simply laugh when guys try to say cousins won’t take shots but fans all over would like teddy back or defend teddy...why? Because he did what for us? He was a nice guy? Fans felt bad for him because of the injury? He sure wasn’t a very impressive QB. Showed some potential maybe but didn’t make much of a jump year 2. Bounced around since the injury. And there is proven fact of how conservative he is.

I simply think out of the 3 cousins is by far our best option. If we could’ve somehow sustained that 2017 defense we’d have a legitimate shot. We haven’t and our OL has hardly improved.

I respect your opinion but I simply don’t agree with your takes on the matter

[CharVike]

SF has shown us the blueprint. I call Grap and Cousins even. SF knew they couldn't hand the team over to him. We can't hand the team over to our guy. IMO we need a better D.

I think that's exactly it. Offensively, SF has a better OL and better TE. We win with WRs and RB. QBs are even, may even give a slight edge to Cousins.

However, this entire story of SF this year sounds VERY similar to the Vikings in 2017. When you have the #1 defense in the NFL or top 3 even, you're going to have success regardless of who your QB is. As long as your offense is decent enough to do their job and not put the defense in bad positions, you're going to have success. Look at our offense in 2017. We had 2 stud WRs, below average OL, 2 backup RBs, an aging Rudy, a bum journeyman QB, and most importantly an OC that adapted his players. You put that offense on a team with a middling to below average defense and they'd be lucky to hit 8-8.

Guys want to talk about the 2017 offense, it's the defense that carried the weight. Similar to SF this year. SFs offense is good enough and execute with the talent they have but it's the defense that's the heart of this team

Everything broke right for that 2017 team. Just look at the schedule that team had. The playoff teams kicked their ####. That no 1 D didn't show up. We beat the Pack twice. Any idea why that happened. The great D shut them out. Again look deeper and you will see why that happened. The Bears were a joke and were developing a stiff QB and their D didn't have a play maker. I thought we were going to the Super Bowl with some stiff QB leading us. Just the opposite of what should happen. Even a home miracle win. Then we hit the road and got total destroyed. It was a joke, The Eagles stuffed that team with a great D with some backup QB who didn't even know if he wanted to play football anymore. Our team from 2009 would destroy that 2017 team. First thing in 09 we had a QB. IMO our team this year had a good season. I give Zim credit for doing that. He took a team with a less talented roster than others to the playoffs. That's hard to do. Others will say we have the best talent. No we don't. Look at our two starting CB for just a start. There not that good. SF has a shut down CB. Teams won't throw at him. Teams are licking there chops at us. It's which stiff will I choose to destroy. Most don't see that. Yes a stiff team like the Giants we destroyed. Our D looked like the best ever. Hello every team did that. They are developing a QB. Someday it may pay off for them. They took the beat down this year for that.

[CharVike]

I think that's exactly it. Offensively, SF has a better OL and better TE. We win with WRs and RB. QBs are even, may even give a slight edge to Cousins.

However, this entire story of SF this year sounds VERY similar to the Vikings in 2017. When you have the #1 defense in the NFL or top 3 even, you're going to have success regardless of who your QB is. As long as your offense is decent enough to do their job and not put the defense in bad positions, you're going to have success. Look at our offense in 2017. We had 2 stud WRs, below average OL, 2 backup RBs, an aging Rudy, a bum journeyman QB, and most importantly an OC that adapted his players. You put that offense on a team with a middling to below average defense and they'd be lucky to hit 8-8.

Guys want to talk about the 2017 offense, it's the defense that carried the weight. Similar to SF this year. SFs offense is good enough and execute with the talent they have but it's the defense that's the heart of this team

Everything broke right for that 2017 team. Just look at the schedule that team had. The playoff teams kicked their ####. That no 1 D didn't show up. We beat the Pack twice. Any idea why that happened. The great D shut them out. Again look deeper and you will see why that happened. The Bears were a joke and were developing a stiff QB and their D didn't have a play maker. I thought we were going to the Super Bowl with some stiff QB leading us. Just the opposite of what should happen. Even a home miracle win. Then we hit the road and got total destroyed. It was a joke, The Eagles stuffed that team with a great D with some backup QB who didn't even know if he wanted to play football anymore. Our team from 2009 would destroy that 2017 team. First thing in 09 we had a QB. IMO our team this year had a good season. I give Zim credit for doing that. He took a team with a less talented roster than others to the playoffs. That's hard to do. Others will say we have the best talent. No we don't. Look at our two starting CB for just a start. There not that good. SF has a shut down CB. Teams won't throw at him. Teams are licking there chops at us. It's which stiff will I choose to destroy. Most don't see that. Yes a stiff team like the Giants we destroyed. Our D looked like the best ever. Hello every team did that. They are developing a QB. Someday it may pay off for them. They took the beat down this year for that.

One more thing Rhodes in 2017 was all world. What was he this year? SF only threw one way. Right at that guy. Don't people see the difference? Even Smith who is a very good player was much better in 2017. He's still good but time takes it's toll on every player eventually. This isn't some 28 year old anymore. I could go on but it would be a 5 page post.

[CharVike]

Yeah? I haven't a heard single person on TV...I haven't read a single article...I haven't seen a single post on here where someone has said "Yes, I was wrong about Cousins. He proved to me that he is much better QB than I thought he was. He's a true winner"

I mean, watch more tv and read more articles I guess? The media, analysts on tv, etc were saying for quite some time this season that he was an MVP candidate. The guys in good morning football raved about him all season. Schraeger and Brandt both said they have bought into Kirk cousins. There are PFF articles out there talking him up. Plenty of articles over the season that talked him up. Kapp came on here saying he was wrong on cousins after week 4. I mean do you really expect any other cousins hater to come on here and be like “yeah he’s the man”? No.

You point out that we should forget what Cousins did in Washington, but all you do is point to what Bridgewater & Keenum have done outside of Minnesota.

Yeah I said cousins teams weren’t very good in Washington, at all. But I’ve also acknowledged that keenums Washington team was as well. But if anyone thinks that denver team that Keenum went to was “bad” I’m going to say you’re wrong. Teddys team in New Orleans obviously isn’t bad. My main thing with cousins in Washington was the fact their defense was consistently terrible when cousins was there. Teddy didn’t have a bad D in New Orleans. Case didn’t have a bad D in Denver. I’m not saying cousins years in Washington don’t count. But it’s fu#king Washington! They were probably even worse when case was there. But they are one of the most dysfunctional franchises out there that have consistently put together terrible rosters and coaching for how many years now? Similar to a team like the dolphins. But regardless, if we’re going to talk cousins in Washington then we’ll talk case and teddy on other teams and vice versa. But I don’t hold bad play over keenums head nearly as much when he was on Washington as I do on denver because they were drastically different teams and talent level.

Keenum went 13-3 and when it is pointed out that his offense averaged 24 points per game, you ignore that and say they won because of the offense. And you really don't offer up much of a reason why Bridgewater had success at all. And when someone post video evidence from the SF that Cousins totally missed open receivers, your only response is that Bridgewater would have missed them too.

Keenum went 12-3 and had the number one defense in the NFL. Let me repeat that, the NUMBER ONE defense. 1st in total D, 2nd in run D, 2nd in pass D. Just to put that into perspective, this year we were 19th in total defense, 13th in run D and 15th against the pass. They went from a DOMINANT defense in 2017 to an average one at best this year. Is anyone saying that Jimmy G is carrying the 49ers this year? #2 in total D, #1 in pass D and #17 in run D. No. They talk about the defense. Did anyone say Trubisky carried the bears last year? No. Both QBs played good enough football to win while riding their defense. Same goes for Keenum and keenums defense was better than both the bears and 49ers. So am I really saying something that out of line by saying he was carried by his defense? Not at all. He played good enough to win.

But for example this year, cousins played plenty well enough vs Seattle to win but the defense couldn’t hold up. If cousins had keenums defense this year, it’s a whole different ball game. He didn’t. He didn’t have anything remotely close to that 2017 defense.

As for Teddy, I said that he was carried by AP and when you go back and looks that’s exactly what happened. And who posted clips of him missing open WRs? Because if someone did I didn’t notice it. I simply saw somebody mention that cousins didn’t take shots downfield. I have spoke out about the guys that say “look cousins missed this guy and that guy” and I have said 10 times on here that I can go back and look at any QBs film this year and find PLENTY of open WRs that QBs “missed”. But again, you, me, anyone has NO IDEA who was what read, what the play call was, etc. Its easy to sit there and just look for guys that were open and call him out for it. There is an entire you tube video of Aaron Rodgers missing open WRs. I’ve posted it on here before. Analysts just got on Russell Wilson for missing a wide open WR vs GB and ran around and took a sack instead. It’s simply everyone on the outside thinking they know how to play QB and point out a flaw when essentially they have no idea.

But can you name me 10 shots downfield that teddy took when he was here? He’s one of the most conservative QBs in the nfl. One of the only legitimate shots I can remember teddy taking is to diggs vs Detroit and diggs made a great catch because teddy nearly overthrew him. So again, is it that out of line for me to say Teddy wouldn’t take those shots against SF when he hardly took any here and had the lowest depth per target of anyone in the nfl this year? Not at all.

And we HAVE moved on from Keenum & Teddy. No one here is under the delusion that they are coming back to Minnesota or that we even want them back in Minnesota. All we want is for our CURRENT QB, Kirk Cousins to perform better. The only reason it's talked about is because all we ever hear is that Keenum sucked and Bridgewater is a bum but the only reason Kirk didn't take us to the Super Bowl is because the OL was terrible or the game plans stunk.

Fiesta literally just said sign teddy and trade Kirk. As for Kirk performing better, he 100% performed better than teddy ever has. As for Keenum, they had similar years but again, Keenum had a defense that was hands down the best in the nfl where Kirk had an average at best one AND Kirk beat a better New Orleans on the road in OT in the playoffs than case did at home and needed a miracle to do it. Oh and that was WITH the number one defense in the nfl.

And yeah as for Kirk taking us to a SB, I say that not only is this OL bad but it’s the damn defense more than anything dude. They aren’t comparable. This team simply wasn’t the team that Keenum had in 2017, specifically the defense. Are you going to honestly sit there and tell me that if Kirk had the NUMBER ONE defense in the nfl this year that our season would’ve went the same way? Not. Even. Close. No way you could honestly say that.

All I want is a winning team. You can take all your Kirk Cousins stats and flush them down your toilet. I don't care about them. All that matters to me is getting to and winning a SB. So the fact is that all three of these QB's took the Vikings to the playoffs. Keenum was the QB for one(1) win, and Cousins was the QB for one(1) win. Teddy lost his playoff game in frigid weather by one point.

But they were all drastically different teams. It’s not like everything was the same and as effective when each of those 3 QBs were starting here. That’s what some fans don’t get. Some are completely blinded by the 2017 defense and think we had that both years cousins has been here. And we didn’t. At all.

In my book, when it comes to winning (notice how I didn't say when it comes to impressive stats or impressive QB tools) there isn't much separating these QB's. You think I'm crazy for thinking that Keenum or Bridgewater may have gotten us just as far this year as Cousins, if not further, and I think you're crazy if you think Cousins would have won more game in Denver or Washington than Keenum, or that Cousins would have started ahead of Brees in NO (because after all, that was your criticism of Bridgewater...that he's a backup).

I don’t see any way Keenum gets us to 10 wins with this defense. Same goes for teddy. I see cousins 100% winning more games in Denver than Keenum. That denver team was better than any of Cousins Washington teams and cousins was winning roughly 8 games a year on those teams. Keenum won 6 and lost to like 2-3 of the worst teams in the nfl. And I refer to teddy as a backup because he got signed as one. Why would teddy sign to be a backup if he could go start somewhere? Supposedly Miami was interested but Miami was going nowhere and arguably had the worst roster in the nfl . Outside of that he had no other offers? Why is that? He settled for being a backup. Not somewhere he could compete, a flat out backup. And no I never once said cousins would start over Brees but I guarantee you he’d get more offers than teddy did. Well he did that offseason and will again if the time comes. Why is that? Because he an obvious better overall QB. I mean do you think all these nfl teams are missing out on teddy and overlooking him? There’s reasons they weren’t offering him much in terms of a contract if one at all. How many starting QBs out there could get released and receive only an offer from the dolphins to be a starter? Not many at all. But teddy is one of them

I realize that this is wasted on you. Nothing I or anyone else will ever say will get you to take off your Rose Colored Cousins glasses. This was strictly therapeutic.

Listen I don’t have rose colored glasses on cousins. I’ve openly admitted when he’s played bad. But I’m sorry, he’s a flat out better QB than Keenum and Bridgewater. And I also believe that if cousins had that 2017 defense it would be a whole different story. So compare cousins now to Keenum in 2017 just simply isn’t comparable given the defenses. Bridgewater is simply not an impressive QB and more conservative than just about anyone out there. So I simply laugh when guys try to say cousins won’t take shots but fans all over would like teddy back or defend teddy...why? Because he did what for us? He was a nice guy? Fans felt bad for him because of the injury? He sure wasn’t a very impressive QB. Showed some potential maybe but didn’t make much of a jump year 2. Bounced around since the injury. And there is proven fact of how conservative he is.

I simply think out of the 3 cousins is by far our best option. If we could’ve somehow sustained that 2017 defense we’d have a legitimate shot. We haven’t and our OL has hardly improved.

I respect your opinion but I simply don’t agree with your takes on the matter

This will all shake out very quickly. The great Teddy will be a free agent. Our current stiff was getting out of this world offers. Teams were begging him.The Jets offered more money. Cousins took less to come here. Teddy who some feel is much better than Cousins and lead the Saints should get the same or better treatment than Cousins. He should easily get a 35 million a year offer. He's better than our guy. Teddy isn't a good QB. You won't see any big time offers. Teams won't be begging and tripping over each other to get him. He's the same bum he always was and always will be. He lacks the physical attributes needed to be a good to great NFL level passer. Never had them never will. He didn't develop a Farve arm all the sudden. There's no magic. The Bears need a QB badly. You would think the great Teddy would be an ideal fit. Hand the ball off and let the D play. Once in awhile complete a pass to keep a drive alive. That's the problem right there. He can't do that very small piece. He isn't good enough for that. Shoot the Lions need a QB worse than the Bears. Teddy could lift that team from doormats to playoffs just like he did with us.

[VikeFanInEagleLand]

This will all shake out very quickly. The great Teddy will be a free agent. Our current stiff was getting out of this world offers. Teams were begging him.The Jets offered more money. Cousins took less to come here. Teddy who some feel is much better than Cousins and lead the Saints should get the same or better treatment than Cousins. He should easily get a 35 million a year offer. He's better than our guy. Teddy isn't a good QB. You won't see any big time offers. Teams won't be begging and tripping over each other to get him. He's the same bum he always was and always will be. He lacks the physical attributes needed to be a good to great NFL level passer. Never had them never will. He didn't develop a Farve arm all the sudden. There's no magic. The Bears need a QB badly. You would think the great Teddy would be an ideal fit. Hand the ball off and let the D play. Once in awhile complete a pass to keep a drive alive. That's the problem right there. He can't do that very small piece. He isn't good enough for that. Shoot the Lions need a QB worse than the Bears. Teddy could lift that team from doormats to playoffs just like he did with us.

I had my morning coffee but I still couldn't follow that post.

[VikeFanInEagleLand]

I respect your opinion but I simply don’t agree with your takes on the matter

We definitely have different takes.

The Denver team that Keenum played for had some hope going into that year, but had injuries. I watched the games when Case was QBing.The lack of offense just wasn't his fault. Nobody getting open....nobody catching passes. I remember one game where the commentators said something along the lines of "You can't blame Keenum for being frustrated. His receivers getting no separation, and yet good passes being dropped". That's how it went for him from the start, and then he just started trying to force passes to try and do something.

I am NOT discrediting or forgetting the defense of 2017, but I think you're letting that take away from the offense. Like I said, 24 points per game would still have gotten them to the playoffs without that great defense.

The links that were posted way back in this thread showing all the open receivers that Cousins missed can't be excused away. I know every QB misses open receivers, but not to this degree. This isn't a few, it's TOO many. Couple that with some awful passes, which is why I still say that just about any NFL QB might have had a better game.

As far a Bridgewater, we probably will get a chance to see more of what he can do. I agree with more of what you say about him. He wasn't a great QB in Minnesota, but he was still learning and growing. He may surprise you.

[CharVike]

This will all shake out very quickly. The great Teddy will be a free agent. Our current stiff was getting out of this world offers. Teams were begging him.The Jets offered more money. Cousins took less to come here. Teddy who some feel is much better than Cousins and lead the Saints should get the same or better treatment than Cousins. He should easily get a 35 million a year offer. He's better than our guy. Teddy isn't a good QB. You won't see any big time offers. Teams won't be begging and tripping over each other to get him. He's the same bum he always was and always will be. He lacks the physical attributes needed to be a good to great NFL level passer. Never had them never will. He didn't develop a Farve arm all the sudden. There's no magic. The Bears need a QB badly. You would think the great Teddy would be an ideal fit. Hand the ball off and let the D play. Once in awhile complete a pass to keep a drive alive. That's the problem right there. He can't do that very small piece. He isn't good enough for that. Shoot the Lions need a QB worse than the Bears. Teddy could lift that team from doormats to playoffs just like he did with us.

I had my morning coffee but I still couldn't follow that post.

Bottom line I don't see teams chasing Teddy this off season and offering a huge contract. That's all. Teams that need an experienced backup will. He proved he can handle that role very well. He did it this year.

[J. Kapp 11]

I have spoke out about the guys that say “look cousins missed this guy and that guy” and I have said 10 times on here that I can go back and look at any QBs film this year and find PLENTY of open WRs that QBs “missed”. But again, you, me, anyone has NO IDEA who was what read, what the play call was, etc. Its easy to sit there and just look for guys that were open and call him out for it. There is an entire you tube video of Aaron Rodgers missing open WRs. I’ve posted it on here before. Analysts just got on Russell Wilson for missing a wide open WR vs GB and ran around and took a sack instead. It’s simply everyone on the outside thinking they know how to play QB and point out a flaw when essentially they have no idea.

Couple of points.

First, I definitely did soften my position on Cousins as the season wore on.

However, the Green Bay and SF games exposed some things that give me pause.

Cousins takes deep shots, and he's very accurate deep ... IF he has a clean pocket. But I've discovered after watching the GB and SF games closely, if he does not have nearly a perfect pocket, or if the coaches haven't protected him with play fake-rollout action, his ability to see deep receivers falls off the cliff.

This has been a criticism of Cousins all the way back to college. When he gets pressured, he can't feel the escape route. It's not about "nobody could throw with that little time." It's about anticipating where the pressure will come from and making subtle movements to avoid it WHILE KEEPING HIS EYES DOWNFIELD. When Cousins gets pressure, his eyes go to the pressure. Therefore, he goes from Read 1 in his progression to Read 4 or 5 in an instant. He dumps the ball to his check down ... often missing the open receiver.

Quarterback progressions go from deep to shallow. That's the issue, PHP. When his first read is covered, he does a GREAT job of going through his progressions ... UNLESS he's pressured. Then he bails to the checkdown because he doesn't have the instinct to escape. It happened consistently in all the games I mentioned. The common denominator in all those games is that we played teams that a) took away the run, and b) had really good pass rushers on the D-line. Checkdown, checkdown, checkdown.

This isn't ME making this analysis. It's the analysis of one quarterback after another. And you can't say, "Well Trent Dilfer couldn't do it, either" or "Sage Rosenfels sucked." Just because they couldn't do it doesn't mean they don't know when it's needed.

At lot of it is recognizing the pressure early. Watch Rodgers. Watch Mahomes. Watch Wilson. Watch Watson. Even watch Big Ben. All of them sense pressure EARLY and make the adjustment EARLY and get to their escape route. It's why they're all so hard to sack (with the exception of Watson, who runs around TOO much). With Kirk, the pressure always seems to surprise him, and that's when he panics. He loses his progression, and his footwork goes to pot. Ever since college, it's that bad footwork that had led to soft passes that can get picked. When he has time and space to set his feet, he doesn't get picked. He can drive it. But he doesn't have the arm talent to drive the ball from anything but a stable platform.

Now ... can you win with such a QB? I do think it's possible, but it means you HAVE to scheme for it. And sometimes that's simply not going to work. Against the Giants, against Detroit, against Philly ... he was magnificent. The running game worked in all those games, and those teams failed to pressure Cousins adequately. But against the Bears, Green Bay, the 49ers ... those teams sold out to take away the running game, leaving Cousins to win the game through the air. When that happend, those teams teed off. Their D-lines stopped respecting the run and pressured Cousins consistently. Pressure is what beats Kirk Cousins.

It's a small sample, but to see what happens when conditions are good for Kirk, look at the OT drive against NOLA. The conditions were right on every play he made. The third-and-4 pass to Diggs was a quick hitter where the defense couldn't pressure him. Great throw. If he's in 3rd-and-10, he can't make that throw, so it was success on first and second down that set it up. The 43-yard bomb to Thielen came directly on the heels of an 11-yard run by Cook. Successful play action gave him a nice big pocket to throw from. He delivered a dime. The TD to Rudy ... he read zero blitz at the line, so it was again a very quick throw. No chance to pressure Cousins. He put it right on the money.

But when he doesn't have those nice conditions, when he doesn't have that nice stable platform, when he has to deliver anything other than a throw he can step into, he really struggles to deliver. That, I believe, is what haunts him in "big games" or "crunch time." Good teams take away what he needs to succeed.

Again, I'm the one you've called out as having changed my mind and become a fan. That's true, but I would say that it's also evolving. I can see his strengths, but I think I understand his weaknesses better than I did early in the season. One thing for sure. He's a great guy and a hard worker who is easy to root for.

The Vikings have invested heavily in Cousins, and there's nothing at QB beyond next year, so it's important for them to make a proper assessment this offseason. The team has to decide ... given his strengths and weaknesses, can he get them where they want to go? If so, extend him. If not, you simply can't.

[CharVike]

I have spoke out about the guys that say “look cousins missed this guy and that guy” and I have said 10 times on here that I can go back and look at any QBs film this year and find PLENTY of open WRs that QBs “missed”. But again, you, me, anyone has NO IDEA who was what read, what the play call was, etc. Its easy to sit there and just look for guys that were open and call him out for it. There is an entire you tube video of Aaron Rodgers missing open WRs. I’ve posted it on here before. Analysts just got on Russell Wilson for missing a wide open WR vs GB and ran around and took a sack instead. It’s simply everyone on the outside thinking they know how to play QB and point out a flaw when essentially they have no idea.

Couple of points.

First, I definitely did soften my position on Cousins as the season wore on.

However, the Green Bay and SF games exposed some things that give me pause.

Cousins takes deep shots, and he's very accurate deep ... IF he has a clean pocket. But I've discovered after watching the GB and SF games closely, if he does not have nearly a perfect pocket, or if the coaches haven't protected him with play fake-rollout action, his ability to see deep receivers falls off the cliff.

This has been a criticism of Cousins all the way back to college. When he gets pressured, he can't feel the escape route. It's not about "nobody could throw with that little time." It's about anticipating where the pressure will come from and making subtle movements to avoid it WHILE KEEPING HIS EYES DOWNFIELD. When Cousins gets pressure, his eyes go to the pressure. Therefore, he goes from Read 1 in his progression to Read 4 or 5 in an instant. He dumps the ball to his check down ... often missing the open receiver.

Quarterback progressions go from deep to shallow. That's the issue, PHP. When his first read is covered, he does a GREAT job of going through his progressions ... UNLESS he's pressured. Then he bails to the checkdown because he doesn't have the instinct to escape. It happened consistently in all the games I mentioned. The common denominator in all those games is that we played teams that a) took away the run, and b) had really good pass rushers on the D-line. Checkdown, checkdown, checkdown.

This isn't ME making this analysis. It's the analysis of one quarterback after another. And you can't say, "Well Trent Dilfer couldn't do it, either" or "Sage Rosenfels sucked." Just because they couldn't do it doesn't mean they don't know when it's needed.

At lot of it is recognizing the pressure early. Watch Rodgers. Watch Mahomes. Watch Wilson. Watch Watson. Even watch Big Ben. All of them sense pressure EARLY and make the adjustment EARLY and get to their escape route. It's why they're all so hard to sack (with the exception of Watson, who runs around TOO much). With Kirk, the pressure always seems to surprise him, and that's when he panics. He loses his progression, and his footwork goes to pot. Ever since college, it's that bad footwork that had led to soft passes that can get picked. When he has time and space to set his feet, he doesn't get picked. He can drive it. But he doesn't have the arm talent to drive the ball from anything but a stable platform.

Now ... can you win with such a QB? I do think it's possible, but it means you HAVE to scheme for it. And sometimes that's simply not going to work. Against the Giants, against Detroit, against Philly ... he was magnificent. The running game worked in all those games, and those teams failed to pressure Cousins adequately. But against the Bears, Green Bay, the 49ers ... those teams sold out to take away the running game, leaving Cousins to win the game through the air. When that happend, those teams teed off. Their D-lines stopped respecting the run and pressured Cousins consistently. Pressure is what beats Kirk Cousins.

It's a small sample, but to see what happens when conditions are good for Kirk, look at the OT drive against NOLA. The conditions were right on every play he made. The third-and-4 pass to Diggs was a quick hitter where the defense couldn't pressure him. Great throw. If he's in 3rd-and-10, he can't make that throw, so it was success on first and second down that set it up. The 43-yard bomb to Thielen came directly on the heels of an 11-yard run by Cook. Successful play action gave him a nice big pocket to throw from. He delivered a dime. The TD to Rudy ... he read zero blitz at the line, so it was again a very quick throw. No chance to pressure Cousins. He put it right on the money.

But when he doesn't have those nice conditions, when he doesn't have that nice stable platform, when he has to deliver anything other than a throw he can step into, he really struggles to deliver. That, I believe, is what haunts him in "big games" or "crunch time." Good teams take away what he needs to succeed.

Again, I'm the one you've called out as having changed my mind and become a fan. That's true, but I would say that it's also evolving. I can see his strengths, but I think I understand his weaknesses better than I did early in the season. One thing for sure. He's a great guy and a hard worker who is easy to root for.

The Vikings have invested heavily in Cousins, and there's nothing at QB beyond next year, so it's important for them to make a proper assessment this offseason. The team has to decide ... given his strengths and weaknesses, can he get them where they want to go? If so, extend him. If not, you simply can't.

Isn't the offense we run based off play action? I thought that was a big part of the Kubiak scheme. Get the ground game rolling and then use play action off that. That type of O fits Cousins strengths. So basically for Kubiaks O to work the ground game must work. No ground game no O. Play action means nothing if you can't run the ball. Is that how the scheme is suppose to work?

[fiestavike]

Couple of points.

First, I definitely did soften my position on Cousins as the season wore on.

However, the Green Bay and SF games exposed some things that give me pause.

Cousins takes deep shots, and he's very accurate deep ... IF he has a clean pocket. But I've discovered after watching the GB and SF games closely, if he does not have nearly a perfect pocket, or if the coaches haven't protected him with play fake-rollout action, his ability to see deep receivers falls off the cliff.

This has been a criticism of Cousins all the way back to college. When he gets pressured, he can't feel the escape route. It's not about "nobody could throw with that little time." It's about anticipating where the pressure will come from and making subtle movements to avoid it WHILE KEEPING HIS EYES DOWNFIELD. When Cousins gets pressure, his eyes go to the pressure. Therefore, he goes from Read 1 in his progression to Read 4 or 5 in an instant. He dumps the ball to his check down ... often missing the open receiver.

Quarterback progressions go from deep to shallow. That's the issue, PHP. When his first read is covered, he does a GREAT job of going through his progressions ... UNLESS he's pressured. Then he bails to the checkdown because he doesn't have the instinct to escape. It happened consistently in all the games I mentioned. The common denominator in all those games is that we played teams that a) took away the run, and b) had really good pass rushers on the D-line. Checkdown, checkdown, checkdown.

This isn't ME making this analysis. It's the analysis of one quarterback after another. And you can't say, "Well Trent Dilfer couldn't do it, either" or "Sage Rosenfels sucked." Just because they couldn't do it doesn't mean they don't know when it's needed.

At lot of it is recognizing the pressure early. Watch Rodgers. Watch Mahomes. Watch Wilson. Watch Watson. Even watch Big Ben. All of them sense pressure EARLY and make the adjustment EARLY and get to their escape route. It's why they're all so hard to sack (with the exception of Watson, who runs around TOO much). With Kirk, the pressure always seems to surprise him, and that's when he panics. He loses his progression, and his footwork goes to pot. Ever since college, it's that bad footwork that had led to soft passes that can get picked. When he has time and space to set his feet, he doesn't get picked. He can drive it. But he doesn't have the arm talent to drive the ball from anything but a stable platform.

Now ... can you win with such a QB? I do think it's possible, but it means you HAVE to scheme for it. And sometimes that's simply not going to work. Against the Giants, against Detroit, against Philly ... he was magnificent. The running game worked in all those games, and those teams failed to pressure Cousins adequately. But against the Bears, Green Bay, the 49ers ... those teams sold out to take away the running game, leaving Cousins to win the game through the air. When that happend, those teams teed off. Their D-lines stopped respecting the run and pressured Cousins consistently. Pressure is what beats Kirk Cousins.

It's a small sample, but to see what happens when conditions are good for Kirk, look at the OT drive against NOLA. The conditions were right on every play he made. The third-and-4 pass to Diggs was a quick hitter where the defense couldn't pressure him. Great throw. If he's in 3rd-and-10, he can't make that throw, so it was success on first and second down that set it up. The 43-yard bomb to Thielen came directly on the heels of an 11-yard run by Cook. Successful play action gave him a nice big pocket to throw from. He delivered a dime. The TD to Rudy ... he read zero blitz at the line, so it was again a very quick throw. No chance to pressure Cousins. He put it right on the money.

But when he doesn't have those nice conditions, when he doesn't have that nice stable platform, when he has to deliver anything other than a throw he can step into, he really struggles to deliver. That, I believe, is what haunts him in "big games" or "crunch time." Good teams take away what he needs to succeed.

Again, I'm the one you've called out as having changed my mind and become a fan. That's true, but I would say that it's also evolving. I can see his strengths, but I think I understand his weaknesses better than I did early in the season. One thing for sure. He's a great guy and a hard worker who is easy to root for.

The Vikings have invested heavily in Cousins, and there's nothing at QB beyond next year, so it's important for them to make a proper assessment this offseason. The team has to decide ... given his strengths and weaknesses, can he get them where they want to go? If so, extend him. If not, you simply can't.

Isn't the offense we run based off play action? I thought that was a big part of the Kubiak scheme. Get the ground game rolling and then use play action off that. That type of O fits Cousins strengths. So basically for Kubiaks O to work the ground game must work. No ground game no O. Play action means nothing if you can't run the ball. Is that how the scheme is suppose to work?

It is a system that makes it relatively easy on QBs. When the ground game is rolling, the play action creates a lot of open WRs and TEs and RBs in the passing game. Guys such as Matt Schaub and Jake Plummer were able to find some degree of success in that offense. It is an offense where the ability to flow and adapt is probably more important than arm talent and prototypical measurements.

[Pondering Her Percy]

Honestly, I'm already burnt out with the Cousins and the season has only been over for a week. I'm not doing this all offseason. Some of you make good points and I agree with some and disagree with others. I'm not saying Cousins is some perfect QB and I'm not saying he's the next coming. But he is a flat out better option than Keenum or Teddy and Cousins is our starting QB next year regardless. He could be extended given our cap or they could let him play out his final year. Who knows. I'm going to get back to working on my mock offseason and try getting that done for you guys.