Yikes Vikes 1st On the Clock Draft

[CharVike]

I don't think Ford or Bradbury will be there at 18

Idk if ford will but I think Bradbury will. If somehow both of them went, were going to have some good tackles falling to us.

Everyone thinks Ford will be gone. Most of my readings he is in the 20s. IMO he will be there. He's certainly not a top 10 talent. He's not close to that level.

[Pondering Her Percy]

Idk if ford will but I think Bradbury will. If somehow both of them went, were going to have some good tackles falling to us.

Everyone thinks Ford will be gone. Most of my readings he is in the 20s. IMO he will be there. He's certainly not a top 10 talent. He's not close to that level.

I wouldnt say he's not close. He's pretty darn good. But this draft is so DL and pass rusher heavy that you're going to see other guys fall. Then factor in the QBs that go early. We should have at least a few solid players sitting there at 18

[CharVike]

Everyone thinks Ford will be gone. Most of my readings he is in the 20s. IMO he will be there. He's certainly not a top 10 talent. He's not close to that level.

I wouldnt say he's not close. He's pretty darn good. But this draft is so DL and pass rusher heavy that you're going to see other guys fall. Then factor in the QBs that go early. We should have at least a few solid players sitting there at 18

You hit the nail on the head. We should be in a hard to lose case. If there is a run at any position and it looks like DL will be it we could have a good pick across the board. I'm hoping Lock is there and he's the pick. That won't happen of course even if he is there. So based on need we need to hope an OL drops and Ford could be the guy. Besides all that I wish we would have an OL based on size and just smash people. This zone blocking BS or what ever they call it isn't my cup of tea. Most of the great OL were massive units and just moved people. Like Johnson's Cowboys or the Hogs. Huge people that took the game over. We look for these tweener guys. And Ford is a big guy so he might not fit this scheme. O'neil is more of the type they look for.

[Pondering Her Percy]

I wouldnt say he's not close. He's pretty darn good. But this draft is so DL and pass rusher heavy that you're going to see other guys fall. Then factor in the QBs that go early. We should have at least a few solid players sitting there at 18

You hit the nail on the head. We should be in a hard to lose case. If there is a run at any position and it looks like DL will be it we could have a good pick across the board. I'm hoping Lock is there and he's the pick. That won't happen of course even if he is there. So based on need we need to hope an OL drops and Ford could be the guy. Besides all that I wish we would have an OL based on size and just smash people. This zone blocking BS or what ever they call it isn't my cup of tea. Most of the great OL were massive units and just moved people. Like Johnson's Cowboys or the Hogs. Huge people that took the game over. We look for these tweener guys. And Ford is a big guy so he might not fit this scheme. O'neil is more of the type they look for.

Yeah I mean I agree with what you're saying. I personally like the athletic tackles. As for guards, yes, I want what you're referring to. I dont care if our guards arent overly athletic but just massive dudes that can throw guys around. But as for tackle, you need an exceptional athlete these days given the speed rushers. That is why O'Neill didnt allow a sack last year. Because he has the lateral quickness to stay with those rushers. Someone like Reiff does not. His is average, but we could find better type thing. But everyone barked about O'Neils strength after we drafted him but I said all along, it's about athleticism with these guys. Sure occasionally he would get bull rushed backwards but he's playing vs the speed 98% of the time and did an excellent job at it.

[YikesVikes]

You hit the nail on the head. We should be in a hard to lose case. If there is a run at any position and it looks like DL will be it we could have a good pick across the board. I'm hoping Lock is there and he's the pick. That won't happen of course even if he is there. So based on need we need to hope an OL drops and Ford could be the guy. Besides all that I wish we would have an OL based on size and just smash people. This zone blocking BS or what ever they call it isn't my cup of tea. Most of the great OL were massive units and just moved people. Like Johnson's Cowboys or the Hogs. Huge people that took the game over. We look for these tweener guys. And Ford is a big guy so he might not fit this scheme. O'neil is more of the type they look for.

Yeah I mean I agree with what you're saying. I personally like the athletic tackles. As for guards, yes, I want what you're referring to. I dont care if our guards arent overly athletic but just massive dudes that can throw guys around. But as for tackle, you need an exceptional athlete these days given the speed rushers. That is why O'Neill didnt allow a sack last year. Because he has the lateral quickness to stay with those rushers. Someone like Reiff does not. His is average, but we could find better type thing. But everyone barked about O'Neils strength after we drafted him but I said all along, it's about athleticism with these guys. Sure occasionally he would get bull rushed backwards but he's playing vs the speed 98% of the time and did an excellent job at it.

You're only thinking about passing though. Yes being that quick helps a lot on passing down but what happens on running downs when you need more than quickness to move someone. Maybe that's why DC was running into the backs of his OL so much this season. You want a guy that can move and not just a guy that is quick. I'm going to be sick this season if we select Dillard and unfortunately, it is what I expect us to do.

[WallytheVike]

You hit the nail on the head. We should be in a hard to lose case. If there is a run at any position and it looks like DL will be it we could have a good pick across the board. I'm hoping Lock is there and he's the pick. That won't happen of course even if he is there. So based on need we need to hope an OL drops and Ford could be the guy. Besides all that I wish we would have an OL based on size and just smash people. This zone blocking BS or what ever they call it isn't my cup of tea. Most of the great OL were massive units and just moved people. Like Johnson's Cowboys or the Hogs. Huge people that took the game over. We look for these tweener guys. And Ford is a big guy so he might not fit this scheme. O'neil is more of the type they look for.

Yeah I mean I agree with what you're saying. I personally like the athletic tackles. As for guards, yes, I want what you're referring to. I dont care if our guards arent overly athletic but just massive dudes that can throw guys around. But as for tackle, you need an exceptional athlete these days given the speed rushers. That is why O'Neill didnt allow a sack last year. Because he has the lateral quickness to stay with those rushers. Someone like Reiff does not. His is average, but we could find better type thing. But everyone barked about O'Neils strength after we drafted him but I said all along, it's about athleticism with these guys. Sure occasionally he would get bull rushed backwards but he's playing vs the speed 98% of the time and did an excellent job at it.

I keep forgetting about O'Neil and with the addition of Kline We're headed in the right direction. Now add a couple big horses to the mix and things look a whole lot different. The running and passing game improves helping the defense out by keeping the opponents offense off the field. Maybe the defense is a little fresher in the 4th quarter.

[PurpleKoolaid]

Yeah I mean I agree with what you're saying. I personally like the athletic tackles. As for guards, yes, I want what you're referring to. I dont care if our guards arent overly athletic but just massive dudes that can throw guys around. But as for tackle, you need an exceptional athlete these days given the speed rushers. That is why O'Neill didnt allow a sack last year. Because he has the lateral quickness to stay with those rushers. Someone like Reiff does not. His is average, but we could find better type thing. But everyone barked about O'Neils strength after we drafted him but I said all along, it's about athleticism with these guys. Sure occasionally he would get bull rushed backwards but he's playing vs the speed 98% of the time and did an excellent job at it.

I keep forgetting about O'Neil and with the addition of Kline We're headed in the right direction. Now add a couple big horses to the mix and things look a whole lot different. The running and passing game improves helping the defense out by keeping the opponents offense off the field. Maybe the defense is a little fresher in the 4th quarter.

We're headed in the right direction because we picked up Kline??? Boy, you sure like that Speilman colored koolaid dont you? He no better then Remmers, check out his stats for last year.

[Husker Vike]

Andre Dillard is moving up after combine and is probably the most ready to step up and start in the left tackle spot for who ever drafts him.Dalton Risner is a guy I hope we have a chance to get ,he played tackle at Kansas State, but is probably more suited for guard in the NFL. He is a mauler and plays nasty,something we could use more of.

[Maelstrom88]

I wouldnt say he's not close. He's pretty darn good. But this draft is so DL and pass rusher heavy that you're going to see other guys fall. Then factor in the QBs that go early. We should have at least a few solid players sitting there at 18

You hit the nail on the head. We should be in a hard to lose case. If there is a run at any position and it looks like DL will be it we could have a good pick across the board. I'm hoping Lock is there and he's the pick. That won't happen of course even if he is there. So based on need we need to hope an OL drops and Ford could be the guy. Besides all that I wish we would have an OL based on size and just smash people. This zone blocking BS or what ever they call it isn't my cup of tea. Most of the great OL were massive units and just moved people. Like Johnson's Cowboys or the Hogs. Huge people that took the game over. We look for these tweener guys. And Ford is a big guy so he might not fit this scheme. O'neil is more of the type they look for.

I definitely think you can also have a lot of success with the smaller more athletic guys who are technicians. Look at the 80s 49ers or the 90s Broncos. Granted the 9ers were more of a passing team and the Broncos cut block heavy scheme isn't allowed today but I still think you can be dominant both ways. You just run more horizontal plays and sprinkle in screen plays as part of your run game.

[Pondering Her Percy]

I keep forgetting about O'Neil and with the addition of Kline We're headed in the right direction. Now add a couple big horses to the mix and things look a whole lot different. The running and passing game improves helping the defense out by keeping the opponents offense off the field. Maybe the defense is a little fresher in the 4th quarter.

We're headed in the right direction because we picked up Kline??? Boy, you sure like that Speilman colored koolaid dont you? He no better then Remmers, check out his stats for last year.

Check out his stats in 2015, 2016 and 2017. You’re going off of 1 year worth of PFF rankings and can guarantee you didn’t even know who Kline was or even watched him play. He was a top 30 guard 3 years in a row and was the #12 pass blocking guard in the entire NFL in 2017. Try doing some research before you run and try to belittle others

[PurpleKoolaid]

We're headed in the right direction because we picked up Kline??? Boy, you sure like that Speilman colored koolaid dont you? He no better then Remmers, check out his stats for last year.

Check out his stats in 2015, 2016 and 2017. You’re going off of 1 year worth of PFF rankings and can guarantee you didn’t even know who Kline was or even watched him play. He was a top 30 guard 3 years in a row and was the #12 pass blocking guard in the entire NFL in 2017. Try doing some research before you run and try to belittle others

Quit telling me what to do, or think you know what I've done or researched. You are tiresome. Kline was never very good, and downright sucked last year. Thats whats important. You just want to argue with every post I make, get a life.

[Pondering Her Percy]

Check out his stats in 2015, 2016 and 2017. You’re going off of 1 year worth of PFF rankings and can guarantee you didn’t even know who Kline was or even watched him play. He was a top 30 guard 3 years in a row and was the #12 pass blocking guard in the entire NFL in 2017. Try doing some research before you run and try to belittle others

Quit telling me what to do, or think you know what I've done or researched. You are tiresome. Kline was never very good, and downright sucked last year. Thats whats important. You just want to argue with every post I make, get a life.

No it's just you continue to be an a-hole to me and others on here. You didnt research anything regarding Kline clearly because if you did you would have known what I mentioned above regarding him. Because when he is a top 12 pass blocking guard in the NFL and a top 30 guard 3 years in a row, that doesnt line up with him "never being very good". Just because he "sucked last year" doesnt mean he will here. Especially when he was solid 3 years in a row prior to last year. But that's classic you just looking at the surface of everything. Linval Joseph and Munnerlyn sucked their first years here. Guess we shouldnt have signed them. One year means nothing. Your attitude on here is whats tiresome and I can bet that I am not the only one on here that agrees with that. If you actually made posts that are relevant and made sense, I would go along with it just like I do everyone else. But when you try to belittle anyone that is a fan of Kirk Cousins or Rick Spielman and actually takes the time to research players and looks at this team as a whole, you go over the top.

[CharVike]

You hit the nail on the head. We should be in a hard to lose case. If there is a run at any position and it looks like DL will be it we could have a good pick across the board. I'm hoping Lock is there and he's the pick. That won't happen of course even if he is there. So based on need we need to hope an OL drops and Ford could be the guy. Besides all that I wish we would have an OL based on size and just smash people. This zone blocking BS or what ever they call it isn't my cup of tea. Most of the great OL were massive units and just moved people. Like Johnson's Cowboys or the Hogs. Huge people that took the game over. We look for these tweener guys. And Ford is a big guy so he might not fit this scheme. O'neil is more of the type they look for.

I definitely think you can also have a lot of success with the smaller more athletic guys who are technicians. Look at the 80s 49ers or the 90s Broncos. Granted the 9ers were more of a passing team and the Broncos cut block heavy scheme isn't allowed today but I still think you can be dominant both ways. You just run more horizontal plays and sprinkle in screen plays as part of your run game.

It can work many different ways. The niners also had a couple HOF QBs, one of the best WR ever, the Taylor WR could blow the game up and a great pass catching back. When you have HOFers at each offensive level you can plug anything on the offensive line. And that's what they did. I seen the Giants have Montanna carted off the field more than once. There O line couldn't stand up. Technicians. That's why I like huge guys like Gibbs always did. A D better be ready for a beating. Might not look like much early but as the game goes on the big man will take over. And yes O'neil didn't give up a sack, so the stats show and even that is questionable, his screw up could have allowed someone else to give up the sack. Those type of stats are people making stuff up. Those people didn't know the blocking call. So how do they know who gave up the sack? But O'neil is a weak player. That was fully documented before the draft. Most felt he needed strength and more size. They could be wrong also and he's a monster. So who really knows. I don't. Many feel pass rush is about speed and run around tackles. It is. But I've seen Reggie White drive guards and tackles right into the QB. No speed involved just power. I seen LT do the same thing. Just push OL into the backfield. I'm a believer in size for OL. If your bigger than the guy across from you then the advantage is yours. But we will use that zone bs and I have no idea what that even is. But I would guess it's have smaller guys that can move. That's not a good idea IMO.

[Maelstrom88]

I definitely think you can also have a lot of success with the smaller more athletic guys who are technicians. Look at the 80s 49ers or the 90s Broncos. Granted the 9ers were more of a passing team and the Broncos cut block heavy scheme isn't allowed today but I still think you can be dominant both ways. You just run more horizontal plays and sprinkle in screen plays as part of your run game.

It can work many different ways. The niners also had a couple HOF QBs, one of the best WR ever, the Taylor WR could blow the game up and a great pass catching back. When you have HOFers at each offensive level you can plug anything on the offensive line. And that's what they did. I seen the Giants have Montanna carted off the field more than once. There O line couldn't stand up. Technicians. That's why I like huge guys like Gibbs always did. A D better be ready for a beating. Might not look like much early but as the game goes on the big man will take over. And yes O'neil didn't give up a sack, so the stats show and even that is questionable, his screw up could have allowed someone else to give up the sack. Those type of stats are people making stuff up. Those people didn't know the blocking call. So how do they know who gave up the sack? But O'neil is a weak player. That was fully documented before the draft. Most felt he needed strength and more size. They could be wrong also and he's a monster. So who really knows. I don't. Many feel pass rush is about speed and run around tackles. It is. But I've seen Reggie White drive guards and tackles right into the QB. No speed involved just power. I seen LT do the same thing. Just push OL into the backfield. I'm a believer in size for OL. If your bigger than the guy across from you then the advantage is yours. But we will use that zone bs and I have no idea what that even is. But I would guess it's have smaller guys that can move. That's not a good idea IMO.

I generally agree with the bigger man wins principle too. Defenses wear down from getting hammered over and over. I especially think it's advantageous with defenses going smaller and lighter. It will be interesting to see what they do and how that works out.

[Bigwehrm]

I like my first few rounds here. Middle gets iffy and 7th i dont mind.