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[PurpleMustReign]

PHP, I'm doing this from my phone so it's hard to quote just a portion of a post, but my cousin lives in Colorado and is a big broncos fan. He likes Keenum and thinks their problems are more scheme related, somewhat echoing those who say Keenum was a product of last year's system, which I don't completely deny.

[VikeFanInEagleLand]

Excellent post and I agree on all counts. This board is already completely divided and that isn’t going to change. Cousins is the new scapegoat of this team. Anything that goes wrong, lands on his shoulders. I have NEVER seen this board literally question every throw a QB makes, every sack a QB takes, every turnover a QB has, etc. Its quite ridiculous if you ask me. I mean it could be a jail break blitz where nobody gets blocked and Cousins gets sacked and all we see is “throw the ball” or “Cousins has no mobility” , etc. This board has RIPPED the OL for years now. It’s arguably the worst it’s been and the cousins haters completely ignore the OL effing up. If a sack happens, it’s cousins fault. Just because the guy got paid 84 million doesn’t mean he’s super man. He can only do so much. Yeah he does wrong but like you said, it’s not all his fault.

I’m sick of hearing the $84 million talk. The QB market is about leverage. It’s not like cousins sucked us for every penny. Teams were offering more but he went with us. There is a new highest paid QB every single year. It constantly changes. The contract means nothing.

As for having Cousins as our QB, yeah he’s way better than any QB we’ve had in a long time. Keenum is a pile of junk. Look at the numbers, look at the record, look at the play. He’s back down to earth and is mediocre to below average with a terrible history. Hence why we let him walk.

It just makes me laugh that a QB that was a career bum/backup has one miracle year and now is garbage in Denver when they paid him a good chunk of change and people defend him? What are you defending?!! You really trust a one year wonder to do anything with this team?! You guys are complaining about cousins not beating a winning team? Keenum has lost to the Jets, 49ers, browns and raiders this year. But hey he beat the chargers so go Case!! He’s lost to 4 of the worst franchises in the nfl. Granted the browns are better but they are still the browns. So who cares if he beats a winning team here and there. He can’t beat the teams he’s SUPPOSE to beat. So those wins against the chargers don’t mean sh**.

Either way, that’s why I get beyond frustrated on here. I’ve never seen 1 single player EVER take all the heat from some fans on this board. It’s a joke. Everyone just looks at record and says “yup Case was better” or “this team is worse because of cousins”. That argument is as weak as it gets. There is so much more behind that. I mean the guys does wrong at times. He’s like every other QB. There are things that will be his fault. No doubt. But my god some of you guys are so far fetched with what you’re saying it’s not even funny. Every fricken thread turns into cousins talk now. Mods say I should ignore it? Well then I might as well not be on the board because you can’t click on any thread without talking about it. The same guys every time too. Just constant complaining. I swear if cousins won a SB guys would still find fault with him. Discussing him is one thing. Constantly repeating yourself until you get more aboard the “I hate Cousins” train ruins most of the threads and the chat. It ruins the fun of the board. It ruins the fun of the chat. I keep saying, the day we get knocked out of the playoffs, I’ll probably take time off of here. Because NO MATTER WHAT happens, I already know what it’s going to look like on here. It’s already happened before the game has even been played. Cousins could go 34 for 35 for 450 yards and 4 tds and guys would be on here saying we missed/got knocked out of the playoffs because of cousins 1 incompletion. What happens in the upcoming game/games doesn’t matter anymore. We all already know where the blame will go no matter how good or how bad he plays.

But ask Denver fans how satisified they are with the one year wonder Case Keenum. I’d love to hear the answers

Maybe there are some on here that are THAT critical of Cousins. If they are, that's ridiculous. But I honestly don't see how it's any different than your treatment of Keenum. When the Vikings lose you're quick to point out that it was a team loss, the OL, the OC, etc. but when Denver loses, it's Case Keenum that loses those games. And just so you know, I have already asked the only two Broncos fans I know, and neither one of them is over critical of him. They are both in agreement that with a better team around him (OL, receivers, etc) they think he can succeed. And don't look now, (and you don't know how much I hope this doesn't happen) but another one of those One Year Miracle QB's (Foles) might knock us out of the playoffs this week unless we take care of business against Chicago.

[Pondering Her Percy]

I'm definitely not 100% dissatisfied. I think he's overrated. But he may not be that far off. I guess the best way to explain it is that his lack of mobility doesn't suit the current Vikings team well, and more importantly, he doesn't have that "IT" Factor. Don't ask me to describe what that is because I don't think it can be defined. If Cousins is the QB that is going to take the Vikings to a Super Bowl, then obviously it was a good decision. But if he doesn't take us there this year, then as I look around the league, these are the QB's that I'd rather have right now. (and I'm not including Rogers because I can't stand him, and he's a Packer)

Russell Wilson
Patrick Mahomes
Tom Brady
Deshaun Watson
Carson Wentz
Drew Brees
Andrew Luck
Phillip Rivers
Jared Goff
Mitchell Trubinsky
Josh Rosen
Baker Mayfield
Lamar Jackson
Case Keenum
Josh Allen
Matthew Stafford

I list some of these because I think they would give us a better chance THIS year, and others because of their upside and potential to take us there in the not too distant future. So what does that say for Cousins that I have listed 17 other QB's that I'd rather have?

Lol dude....matt Stafford? You think cousins struggles to win? Stafford is the epitome of a loser. Rosen? He’s been horrid this year. Jackson? Can’t throw the ball to save his life, Keenum? A one year wonder. Allen and mayfield? Maybe but jury is still out. The rest are understandable for the most part but matt Stafford? Come on man. He has a .455 winning percentage in 143 games. Compared to Cousins only having 73 games under his belt. Like nobody in the nfl is a bigger loser than matt Stafford but you’d rather have him on this team over Kirk cousins?! I’m done

[VikeFanInEagleLand]

I'm definitely not 100% dissatisfied. I think he's overrated. But he may not be that far off. I guess the best way to explain it is that his lack of mobility doesn't suit the current Vikings team well, and more importantly, he doesn't have that "IT" Factor. Don't ask me to describe what that is because I don't think it can be defined. If Cousins is the QB that is going to take the Vikings to a Super Bowl, then obviously it was a good decision. But if he doesn't take us there this year, then as I look around the league, these are the QB's that I'd rather have right now. (and I'm not including Rogers because I can't stand him, and he's a Packer)

Russell Wilson
Patrick Mahomes
Tom Brady
Deshaun Watson
Carson Wentz
Drew Brees
Andrew Luck
Phillip Rivers
Jared Goff
Mitchell Trubinsky
Josh Rosen
Baker Mayfield
Lamar Jackson
Case Keenum
Josh Allen
Matthew Stafford

I list some of these because I think they would give us a better chance THIS year, and others because of their upside and potential to take us there in the not too distant future. So what does that say for Cousins that I have listed 17 other QB's that I'd rather have?

Lol dude....matt Stafford? You think cousins struggles to win? Stafford is the epitome of a loser. Rosen? He’s been horrid this year. Jackson? Can’t throw the ball to save his life, Keenum? A one year wonder. Allen and mayfield? Maybe but jury is still out. The rest are understandable for the most part but matt Stafford? Come on man. You say you want him over Kirk cousins, then I question how much football you really watch. He has a .455 winning percentage in 143 games. Compared to Cousins only having 73 games under his belt. Like nobody in the nfl is a bigger loser than matt Stafford but you’d rather have matt Stafford on this team?! I’m done

Yeah, shoot me for having an opinion, especially one that's different than yours.

[YikesVikes]

Lol dude....matt Stafford? You think cousins struggles to win? Stafford is the epitome of a loser. Rosen? He’s been horrid this year. Jackson? Can’t throw the ball to save his life, Keenum? A one year wonder. Allen and mayfield? Maybe but jury is still out. The rest are understandable for the most part but matt Stafford? Come on man. You say you want him over Kirk cousins, then I question how much football you really watch. He has a .455 winning percentage in 143 games. Compared to Cousins only having 73 games under his belt. Like nobody in the nfl is a bigger loser than matt Stafford but you’d rather have matt Stafford on this team?! I’m done

Yeah, shoot me for having an opinion, especially one that's different than yours.

It's not that but you listed Josh Allen. Josh Allen? I respect your right to an opinion but it makes it hard to take it seriously.

[StumpHunter]

PHP, I'm doing this from my phone so it's hard to quote just a portion of a post, but my cousin lives in Colorado and is a big broncos fan. He likes Keenum and thinks their problems are more scheme related, somewhat echoing those who say Keenum was a product of last year's system, which I don't completely deny.

I lurk on some Bronco boards and most fans want to move on.

[VikeFanInEagleLand]

Yeah, shoot me for having an opinion, especially one that's different than yours.

It's not that but you listed Josh Allen. Josh Allen? I respect your right to an opinion but it makes it hard to take it seriously.

What specifically don't you like about Josh Allen?

[Pondering Her Percy]

Lol dude....matt Stafford? You think cousins struggles to win? Stafford is the epitome of a loser. Rosen? He’s been horrid this year. Jackson? Can’t throw the ball to save his life, Keenum? A one year wonder. Allen and mayfield? Maybe but jury is still out. The rest are understandable for the most part but matt Stafford? Come on man. You say you want him over Kirk cousins, then I question how much football you really watch. He has a .455 winning percentage in 143 games. Compared to Cousins only having 73 games under his belt. Like nobody in the nfl is a bigger loser than matt Stafford but you’d rather have matt Stafford on this team?! I’m done

Yeah, shoot me for having an opinion, especially one that's different than yours.

Am I not allowed to question it? That’s part of a forum. So tell me how Stafford is possibly a better option then?

[Pondering Her Percy]

PHP, I'm doing this from my phone so it's hard to quote just a portion of a post, but my cousin lives in Colorado and is a big broncos fan. He likes Keenum and thinks their problems are more scheme related, somewhat echoing those who say Keenum was a product of last year's system, which I don't completely deny.

I lurk on some Bronco boards and most fans want to move on.

Yeah I could bet money that most want him gone but we’re on here practically asking for him back and defending him? I don’t get it

[VikeFanInEagleLand]

Yeah, shoot me for having an opinion, especially one that's different than yours.

Am I not allowed to question it? That’s part of a forum. So tell me how Stafford is possibly a better option then?

The best way for me to answer that is he passes my eye test. He is the example of a good QB on a lousy team. AND I believe I read earlier this year that in spite of that, he still has a winning record against the NFC north. (That may not be the case after this year) I have always felt that if he was on a better team, he is one of those QB that you don't want to give the ball to with time left on the clock for a possible winning drive. Heck, he has done it plenty of times with an awful Lions team. Again....just my opinion and your'e allowed to disagree but don't insinuate that I'm a moron for having my own. I can tell you that if I were a fan of another team playing the Vikings, I wouldn't feel the same way about Cousins getting the ball at the 25 with under 2 minutes left. He just wouldn't worry me.

[VikeFanInEagleLand]

I lurk on some Bronco boards and most fans want to move on.

Yeah I could bet money that most want him gone but we’re on here practically asking for him back and defending him? I don’t get it

Isn't that like saying that fans lurking on this board would say that we want Cousins gone? or ZImmer?

[VikeFanInEagleLand]

Yeah, shoot me for having an opinion, especially one that's different than yours.

Am I not allowed to question it? That’s part of a forum. So tell me how Stafford is possibly a better option then?

Sure, you're allowed to question it. It's just that most of time you insinuate or outright insult the person that you're questioning. We have have different viewpoints on Cousins and Keenum, but I don't question the fact that you know nothing about football for having a different opinion. That's ok though. I'm a big boy. I can take it.

You remind me a little of a co-worker. I joined a football pool this year that has approx 180 people in it. Every week he asks me what team I took and then proceeds to tell me how stupid my pick is, especially if I took what would be considered an upset. After all, The STATISTICS don't coincide with my pick. I'm in 8th place right now, won't end in the money, but 8th is pretty darn good. (btw, one of my losses was when I took the Vikings vs. Buffalo and Cousins didn't look like the better QB that day)

[StumpHunter]

Yeah I could bet money that most want him gone but we’re on here practically asking for him back and defending him? I don’t get it

Isn't that like saying that fans lurking on this board would say that we want Cousins gone? or ZImmer?

There is no one who still defends Keenum on those boards and there are plenty on here who defend Zim and Cousins.

Rightfully so too. Zim is a good HC and Cousins...we are stuck with him so let's hope for the best.

Keenum wasn't the answer at QB here. He might have played better for us than he has in Denver, but in the end he isn't good enough. Cousins hasn't been good enough yet either, but at least he...someone finish this for me, I can't think of anything.

[VikeFanInEagleLand]

Isn't that like saying that fans lurking on this board would say that we want Cousins gone? or ZImmer?

There is no one who still defends Keenum on those boards and there are plenty on here who defend Zim and Cousins.

Rightfully so too. Zim is a good HC and Cousins...we are stuck with him so let's hope for the best.

Keenum wasn't the answer at QB here. He might have played better for us than he has in Denver, but in the end he isn't good enough. Cousins hasn't been good enough yet either, but at least he...someone finish this for me, I can't think of anything.

C'mon. You really think that I was going to believe that NO ONE on the boards that defends Keenum. Ok, so I just dropped by three different Broncos boards. I didn't have to spend 5 minutes on then to find people who defend him. Yes, there a lot of people complaining, mostly about interceptions, but there they are also complaining about Musgrave (the OC) and their OL (just like we do here). Keenum has always been described as far back as his college years as a Gunslinger. Gunslingers by nature will throw interceptions because they try to make something of every play. Favre did it, and every other QB of that nature did it. I'm of the opinion, if you don't throw interceptions, then you aren't trying. If you're the QB on a team where the receivers are hardly ever open and the OL hardly ever gives you time to throw, should you just throw all those passes away or dump it off every time? After a while. out of frustration, you try to take the game over and squeeze throws into places that you shouldn't. Again, Favre did it all the time. Let me ask you this. In the Miracle game against New Orleans, should Keenum have thrown that ball to Diggs, or should he have thrown it to the receiver that the play was designed to throw it to? or should he have just dumped it off to someone out of the backfield and hoped that he ran for a TD after the catch (like I see time and time again throughout the NFL and makes me want to pull my hair out) We'll never know the answer to this but I wonder what Cousins would have done on that play.

[Mothman]

Keenum wasn't the answer at QB here. He might have played better for us than he has in Denver, but in the end he isn't good enough. Cousins hasn't been good enough yet either, but at least he...someone finish this for me, I can't think of anything.

... but at least he has another game (or more) this year and 2 more seasons after that to be good enough?

C'mon. You really think that I was going to believe that NO ONE on the boards that defends Keenum. Ok, so I just dropped by three different Broncos boards. I didn't have to spend 5 minutes on then to find people who defend him. Yes, there a lot of people complaining, mostly about interceptions, but there they are also complaining about Musgrave (the OC) and their OL (just like we do here). Keenum has always been described as far back as his college years as a Gunslinger. Gunslingers by nature will throw interceptions because they try to make something of every play. Favre did it, and every other QB of that nature did it. I'm of the opinion, if you don't throw interceptions, then you aren't trying. If you're the QB on a team where the receivers are hardly ever open and the OL hardly ever gives you time to throw, should you just throw all those passes away or dump it off every time? After a while. out of frustration, you try to take the game over and squeeze throws into places that you shouldn't. Again, Favre did it all the time. Let me ask you this. In the Miracle game against New Orleans, should Keenum have thrown that ball to Diggs, or should he have thrown it to the receiver that the play was designed to throw it to? or should he have just dumped it off to someone out of the backfield and hoped that he ran for a TD after the catch (like I see time and time again throughout the NFL and makes me want to pull my hair out) We'll never know the answer to this but I wonder what Cousins would have done on that play.

It's hard to say. He does take chances.

Your description of Keenum and the gunslinger mentality is very much what I like about his game, although it's best to find QBs who manage to maintain that mentality while turning it over less (I think Brees fits that description— he's fearless and aggressive). I liked Keenum's approach. It stood in contrast to exactly what I disliked about Bridgewater's game when he was a Viking. I felt he was very much the kind of QB who preferred to throw the ball away or dump it off rather than give a receiver in one-on-one coverage a chance to make a play.