Are we screwed with Cousins.

[StumpHunter]

Kirk Cousins had so much time on specific plays against Seattle because they were dropping 9 and at times, doubled both Thielen and Diggs because they KNEW what was coming and Flip didnt adjust a thing from the previous week. This offense was easy to scheme for. If you know we're passing you either blitz (which our OL cannot pickup hardly ever) which is what NE did. Or you drop 9 like Seattle and double the two best play makers. Kirk was pressured 14 times (?) against NE. Resulted in a poor game. Kirk was pressured less vs. Seattle but was forced to check down by them dropping 9 guys. Resulted in a poor game. Not sure why this isnt being seen by others?

I said before, our OL IS a better pass blocking unit than Seattle's. It shows in the numbers. But the fact that Flip had Cousins still throwing 40+ times a game and running very little, it seems like he was getting pressured or sacked that much more. He had 130 more pass attempts than Wilson going into that game. That is over 4 games worth of pass attempts for Wilson and Wilson has been sacked 6 more times. Our adjusted sack rate was like 5th in the league at 5.4%. Seattle's was 29th at like 9.5%.

The difference is, Seattle's recognizes it and doesnt put the game in Wilsons hands. They adjust to their strengths which is running the ball. The guy threw 20 passes for 72 yards that night. However, Flip does not adjust to that when we have good RBs. I dont buy the "our OL cant run block". They can. Cook is averaging 4.8 YPC in 2 games. We can run. But Flip refused. He was trying to make Kirk Cousins into something he's not. Washington did the same thing because they never had a run game either. But they actually never really had good RBs. We do and arent using them.

Nextgen stats has Thielen averaging more separation on Monday versus his average on the year (3.1 vs 2.9). He was not getting doubled every play.

If dropping 9 guys (as if they only rushed 2 guys, LOL), is all it takes to shut down our QB, we are in trouble, because every team can drop a lot of guys into coverage. Sucks when he is pressured, sucks when he isn't. Just plain sucks.

[VikeFanInEagleLand]

Never saw them drop 9 guys into coverage. Never heard of such a thing. If they were doing that, I too would be furious at the OC for not giving the ball to Cook more. I will say that on a lot of plays, where they were showing Cousins taking off with the ball, and they replayed it from the camera angle from behind the line, I often saw receivers open and wondered why he didn't see them.

[Pondering Her Percy]

Kirk Cousins had so much time on specific plays against Seattle because they were dropping 9 and at times, doubled both Thielen and Diggs because they KNEW what was coming and Flip didnt adjust a thing from the previous week. This offense was easy to scheme for. If you know we're passing you either blitz (which our OL cannot pickup hardly ever) which is what NE did. Or you drop 9 like Seattle and double the two best play makers. Kirk was pressured 14 times (?) against NE. Resulted in a poor game. Kirk was pressured less vs. Seattle but was forced to check down by them dropping 9 guys. Resulted in a poor game. Not sure why this isnt being seen by others?

I said before, our OL IS a better pass blocking unit than Seattle's. It shows in the numbers. But the fact that Flip had Cousins still throwing 40+ times a game and running very little, it seems like he was getting pressured or sacked that much more. He had 130 more pass attempts than Wilson going into that game. That is over 4 games worth of pass attempts for Wilson and Wilson has been sacked 6 more times. Our adjusted sack rate was like 5th in the league at 5.4%. Seattle's was 29th at like 9.5%.

The difference is, Seattle's recognizes it and doesnt put the game in Wilsons hands. They adjust to their strengths which is running the ball. The guy threw 20 passes for 72 yards that night. However, Flip does not adjust to that when we have good RBs. I dont buy the "our OL cant run block". They can. Cook is averaging 4.8 YPC in 2 games. We can run. But Flip refused. He was trying to make Kirk Cousins into something he's not. Washington did the same thing because they never had a run game either. But they actually never really had good RBs. We do and arent using them.

Nextgen stats has Thielen averaging more separation on Monday versus his average on the year (3.1 vs 2.9). He was not getting doubled every play.

If dropping 9 guys (as if they only rushed 2 guys, LOL), is all it takes to shut down our QB, we are in trouble, because every team can drop a lot of guys into coverage. Sucks when he is pressured, sucks when he isn't. Just plain sucks.

First of all, I never said he was getting doubled "every play". But in passing situations and the third and longs EARLY in the game, he was. So was Diggs. It was reported and there were screen shots of when it happened. Pete Carroll called the package "Bandit". He hasnt used it since 2010 where he brought out 7 DBs. This is my point. Flip was PREDICTABLE. Bobby Wagner even said it in his post game interview. He said "We studied the tape and they did what they always do". When I say they dropped 9, they rushed 2 and had Wagner on a spy in the middle of the field. The other 8 dropped into coverage. This is why Cousins was throwing check down after check down in those situations.

And Thielen stat is flawed. He was pretty much shut down for most of the game and then made up for it when Seattle went into prevent. So you cant go off of that.

As for "sucking" when he's pressured, he's actually been one of the better QB this year when under pressure. His last two games werent great but everything prior to that, he was in the top 5 in the league I believe.

This explains more in detail: http://www.espn.com/blog/minnesota-viki ... cranked-up

[fiestavike]

Cousins isn't very good, and we're paying him like he is. That's the part that sucks. But, no this team isn't screwed because of it. Thankfully Kirk only signed for 3 years, and if he doesn't improve dramatically over the next 3 games, its not too early to start working on the future. That might mean getting in draft position to select a QB this year and having the luxury of not having to start him. Cousins might be nothing more than an expensive bridge, or in two years an expensive backup. That's okay, because the Vikings can reclaim cap flexibility with just a couple roster moves.

[Pondering Her Percy]

Never saw them drop 9 guys into coverage. Never heard of such a thing. If they were doing that, I too would be furious at the OC for not giving the ball to Cook more. I will say that on a lot of plays, where they were showing Cousins taking off with the ball, and they replayed it from the camera angle from behind the line, I often saw receivers open and wondered why he didn't see them.

I guess all I can say is look into it. You guys think I'm making this up just to make excuses for Cousins. You're looking at the surface of things and not looking into it. Any time something goes wrong with this team I always look into the WHY behind everything. If it was Cousins to blame, then I would blame Cousins. But it was our OC NEVER adjusting his scheme. Kirk said he noticed this early and Flip had zero answer for it. Like I said above, Bobby Wagner said "We studied the film and they did what they always do". That is a direct shot a Flip. Diggs said in his presser "It's the same sh** every week". Not a "direct" shot at Flip but the players were starting to notice too. You can tell Cook was getting frustrated as well not getting the carries in his pressers. As he should be, given he's averaging 4.8 yards in two games. And has only received 29 carries in those two games.

Here is your explanation regarding Seattle dropping 9.....maybe you've never heard of such a thing but....it happened.

https://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/n ... 39765.html

[Pondering Her Percy]

Cousins isn't very good, and we're paying him like he is. That's the part that sucks. But, no this team isn't screwed because of it. Thankfully Kirk only signed for 3 years, and if he doesn't improve dramatically over the next 3 games, its not too early to start working on the future. That might mean getting in draft position to select a QB this year and having the luxury of not having to start him. Cousins might be nothing more than an expensive bridge, or in two years an expensive backup. That's okay, because the Vikings can reclaim cap flexibility with just a couple roster moves.

No we're paying him that based on leverage. Everyone keeps going on about the contract but he's the only QB in the top 6 highest paid that's still in playoff contention. It's not like we could've offered Cousins 40 million and he was going to accept. The QB market is all based off leverage. And I repeat, Flip (and Washington) has tried to make Cousins into something he's not. He doesnt need to throw the ball 40+ times a game and have the game all in his hands. He has two good RBs to lean on now. Something he never had before. Flip refused to use them. Seattle is playing to their strengths. Pound the ball when you have an OL that can run block but not pass block. Flip didnt play to the strengths on this team. Bark about the YPC up to this point but you arent improving that by running under 20 times a game. So YPC does nothing for me. You need volume in your running game. Look at what happened to the Rams last week when they abandoned it. Gurley is getting 20+ carries every game. They bail on it, they lose.

[fiestavike]

Cousins isn't very good, and we're paying him like he is. That's the part that sucks. But, no this team isn't screwed because of it. Thankfully Kirk only signed for 3 years, and if he doesn't improve dramatically over the next 3 games, its not too early to start working on the future. That might mean getting in draft position to select a QB this year and having the luxury of not having to start him. Cousins might be nothing more than an expensive bridge, or in two years an expensive backup. That's okay, because the Vikings can reclaim cap flexibility with just a couple roster moves.

No we're paying him that based on leverage. Everyone keeps going on about the contract but he's the only QB in the top 6 highest paid that's still in playoff contention. It's not like we could've offered Cousins 40 million and he was going to accept. The QB market is all based off leverage. And I repeat, Flip (and Washington) has tried to make Cousins into something he's not. He doesnt need to throw the ball 40+ times a game and have the game all in his hands. He has two good RBs to lean on now. Something he never had before. Flip refused to use them. Seattle is playing to their strengths. Pound the ball when you have an OL that can run block but not pass block. Flip didnt play to the strengths on this team. Bark about the YPC up to this point but you arent improving that by running under 20 times a game. So YPC does nothing for me. You need volume in your running game. Look at what happened to the Rams last week when they abandoned it. Gurley is getting 20+ carries every game. They bail on it, they lose.

Which of my points are you responding to? Did you accidentally quote the wrong post?

[Pondering Her Percy]

No we're paying him that based on leverage. Everyone keeps going on about the contract but he's the only QB in the top 6 highest paid that's still in playoff contention. It's not like we could've offered Cousins 40 million and he was going to accept. The QB market is all based off leverage. And I repeat, Flip (and Washington) has tried to make Cousins into something he's not. He doesnt need to throw the ball 40+ times a game and have the game all in his hands. He has two good RBs to lean on now. Something he never had before. Flip refused to use them. Seattle is playing to their strengths. Pound the ball when you have an OL that can run block but not pass block. Flip didnt play to the strengths on this team. Bark about the YPC up to this point but you arent improving that by running under 20 times a game. So YPC does nothing for me. You need volume in your running game. Look at what happened to the Rams last week when they abandoned it. Gurley is getting 20+ carries every game. They bail on it, they lose.

Which of my points are you responding to? Did you accidentally quote the wrong post?

The how much we're paying him part... then I carried on haha

[VikeFanInEagleLand]

Never saw them drop 9 guys into coverage. Never heard of such a thing. If they were doing that, I too would be furious at the OC for not giving the ball to Cook more. I will say that on a lot of plays, where they were showing Cousins taking off with the ball, and they replayed it from the camera angle from behind the line, I often saw receivers open and wondered why he didn't see them.

I guess all I can say is look into it. You guys think I'm making this up just to make excuses for Cousins. You're looking at the surface of things and not looking into it. Any time something goes wrong with this team I always look into the WHY behind everything. If it was Cousins to blame, then I would blame Cousins. But it was our OC NEVER adjusting his scheme. Kirk said he noticed this early and Flip had zero answer for it. Like I said above, Bobby Wagner said "We studied the film and they did what they always do". That is a direct shot a Flip. Diggs said in his presser "It's the same sh** every week". Not a "direct" shot at Flip but the players were starting to notice too. You can tell Cook was getting frustrated as well not getting the carries in his pressers. As he should be, given he's averaging 4.8 yards in two games. And has only received 29 carries in those two games.

Here is your explanation regarding Seattle dropping 9.....maybe you've never heard of such a thing but....it happened.

https://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/n ... 39765.html

So according to that article, Seattle brought in a 7th DB three times, and once he blitzed.

According to Cousins, “One other one on the Microsoft Surface picture they literally dropped, it appeared, nine defenders. If they didn’t drop nine then they dropped eight and Diggsy was triple-teamed.”

So it's not even conclusive that they dropped 9 or 8 on that play. I think the biggest thing to take away from this, no matter what, is that the receivers were covered most of the game, according to Cousins. And Seattle was at least in Nickle Defense for most of it. No excuse to not establishing a running game in that situation.

[Pondering Her Percy]

I guess all I can say is look into it. You guys think I'm making this up just to make excuses for Cousins. You're looking at the surface of things and not looking into it. Any time something goes wrong with this team I always look into the WHY behind everything. If it was Cousins to blame, then I would blame Cousins. But it was our OC NEVER adjusting his scheme. Kirk said he noticed this early and Flip had zero answer for it. Like I said above, Bobby Wagner said "We studied the film and they did what they always do". That is a direct shot a Flip. Diggs said in his presser "It's the same sh** every week". Not a "direct" shot at Flip but the players were starting to notice too. You can tell Cook was getting frustrated as well not getting the carries in his pressers. As he should be, given he's averaging 4.8 yards in two games. And has only received 29 carries in those two games.

Here is your explanation regarding Seattle dropping 9.....maybe you've never heard of such a thing but....it happened.

https://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/n ... 39765.html

So according to that article, Seattle brought in a 7th DB three times, and once he blitzed.

According to Cousins, “One other one on the Microsoft Surface picture they literally dropped, it appeared, nine defenders. If they didn’t drop nine then they dropped eight and Diggsy was triple-teamed.”

So it's not even conclusive that they dropped 9 or 8 on that play. I think the biggest thing to take away from this, no matter what, is that the receivers were covered most of the game, according to Cousins. And Seattle was at least in Nickle Defense for most of it. No excuse to not establishing a running game in that situation.

Yes that is the biggest take away. And the fact that Cousins kept bringing it to Flip and he was doing nothing about it makes it even worse. But my point is, if they did this 3, 4, or 10 times, those are all valuable 3rd downs that are getting completely swallowed up by Flip not adjusting. Then you add in the NINE different 3rd or 4th and shorts we had. We threw on 5, snuck on 2 (which worked) and gave it to a RB 2 times. 5 of those snaps were out of shotgun.

So you put together ALL of those 3rd and 4th and shorts that were awful play calling that we didnt convert on, combined with the 3-4 times Seattle ran "bandit" on 3rd down and that's the result we get. That's 12-13 3rd or 4th downs we're talking about here. Only converting on a couple of them. Sorry but that's a game that's not on Kirk Cousins. Did Kirk miss throws, maybe hold the ball too long here or there, etc? Yes 100%. But there was a BIGGER problem in that game. The articles say it, Diggs basically said it, Wagner said it, fans are saying it including myself, analysts were saying it, it was John DeFillippo. And this is the exact reason I'm excited for Stefanski because I think he's going to bring more balance, understands Zim and knows that we dont have to put all the weight on Cousins shoulders.

[StumpHunter]

Nextgen stats has Thielen averaging more separation on Monday versus his average on the year (3.1 vs 2.9). He was not getting doubled every play.

If dropping 9 guys (as if they only rushed 2 guys, LOL), is all it takes to shut down our QB, we are in trouble, because every team can drop a lot of guys into coverage. Sucks when he is pressured, sucks when he isn't. Just plain sucks.

First of all, I never said he was getting doubled "every play". But in passing situations and the third and longs EARLY in the game, he was. So was Diggs. It was reported and there were screen shots of when it happened. Pete Carroll called the package "Bandit". He hasnt used it since 2010 where he brought out 7 DBs. This is my point. Flip was PREDICTABLE. Bobby Wagner even said it in his post game interview. He said "We studied the tape and they did what they always do". When I say they dropped 9, they rushed 2 and had Wagner on a spy in the middle of the field. The other 8 dropped into coverage. This is why Cousins was throwing check down after check down in those situations.

And Thielen stat is flawed. He was pretty much shut down for most of the game and then made up for it when Seattle went into prevent. So you cant go off of that.

There were 6 offensive plays after Cousins gave Seattle a TD and an insurmountable lead. I seriously doubt those made a difference in Thielen's average separation. Face it, that stat is only "flawed" because you don't like what it means about your QB. Thielen was shutdown because his QB couldn't find him when he was open. Not because he was double covered, not because he wasn't getting open, but because the QB is garbage in big games.

As for "sucking" when he's pressured, he's actually been one of the better QB this year when under pressure. His last two games werent great but everything prior to that, he was in the top 5 in the league I believe.

This explains more in detail: http://www.espn.com/blog/minnesota-viki ... cranked-up

Well hold on there. Your argument all along was that Cousins is only struggling because the line is giving up too much pressure. Is that not the case?

It is great he has good numbers when pressured, but what is the impact of those numbers? Are we scoring a lot because of those great numbers? Or are we one of the worst offenses in the NFL?

[PurpleMustReign]

First of all, I never said he was getting doubled "every play". But in passing situations and the third and longs EARLY in the game, he was. So was Diggs. It was reported and there were screen shots of when it happened. Pete Carroll called the package "Bandit". He hasnt used it since 2010 where he brought out 7 DBs. This is my point. Flip was PREDICTABLE. Bobby Wagner even said it in his post game interview. He said "We studied the tape and they did what they always do". When I say they dropped 9, they rushed 2 and had Wagner on a spy in the middle of the field. The other 8 dropped into coverage. This is why Cousins was throwing check down after check down in those situations.

And Thielen stat is flawed. He was pretty much shut down for most of the game and then made up for it when Seattle went into prevent. So you cant go off of that.

There were 6 offensive plays after Cousins gave Seattle a TD and an insurmountable lead. I seriously doubt those made a difference in Thielen's average separation. Face it, that stat is only "flawed" because you don't like what it means about your QB. Thielen was shutdown because his QB couldn't find him when he was open. Not because he was double covered, not because he wasn't getting open, but because the QB is garbage in big games.

As for "sucking" when he's pressured, he's actually been one of the better QB this year when under pressure. His last two games werent great but everything prior to that, he was in the top 5 in the league I believe.

This explains more in detail: http://www.espn.com/blog/minnesota-viki ... cranked-up

Well hold on there. Your argument all along was that Cousins is only struggling because the line is giving up too much pressure. Is that not the case?

It is great he has good numbers when pressured, but what is the impact of those numbers? Are we scoring a lot because of those great numbers? Or are we one of the worst offenses in the NFL?

That's what I keep saying. I don't care about stats and all that ####. He could pass for 6,000 yards per game but throw an interception in the end zone every drive. Does that make him a good QB? No. I could cherry pick all kinds of stats (yay, PFF!) that contradict everything anyone posts, but the bottom line is he isn't winning. Case won games. He has the same OL minus Berger. I don't care about stats... I care about wins.

[Fat Stupid Loser]

Hmmm. Well I didn't look at the all 22. Haven't done that for quite a while. What I could see on the screen and replays were swarmed receivers and only the check down open most of the time. Other than the Theilen end zone when his defender fell. Kirk is known for getting the ball out quickly and on time. He is a timing QB. Or at least was in Washington. But this is a different style offense somewhat. Gruden's is very regimented, regarding where the ball goes and when. Washington's O line was horrid until Kirk got the job and then all of a sudden the same terrible line was good. It seems the reverse here. I saw him fix all the issues you mentioned above in Washington. Seems odd to me that he is the cause of it here. Unless its just learning a new system.

PFF had the line ranked as the 9th best passing line in 2014. Horrid?

Kirk Cousins has one of the longest times to throw of any pocket passer in the NFL. This year behind "a horrible line", last year behind "a horrible line" and in 2016 when his line was actually healthy and good. Where did you hear he got the ball out quickly?

Well PFF is well.....

I watched the Skins for 40 some years. The line was terrible at pass blocking with "He that shall not be named" (Griffin). Much maligned. Couldn't pass block, could run block ok. Turnstile, all that. PFF rankings don't hold up to reality if that's how they had them ranked. When Cousins started playing, sacks plummeted and the passing game soared. Kirk read the D and got the ball out on time to who it was supposed to go to. Then everyone talked about how good the O-line was. Same clowns, but they didn't have to block for 4-6 seconds anymore. Jay raved about how fast the ball comes out now and on time. Wanted him to take more risks, to which Kirk responded, if I threw all the balls that Jay wanted me to, I'd have 20 interceptions a year. Anyway that is off topic. He goes through his progressions and sits there to do it, for better or worse. He hasn't been in one of those 1 read, read half the field offenses that a lot are running now because they come from college spread offenses. I imagine that is dropping the average time to throw in the league. He is not a 1 or 2 read and scramble guy. Protect him for more than 2 seconds and he will carve people up.

Fix the running game and his playaction is lethal. Stand him back there with a sieve offensive line with no running game and he will struggle. He ain't Fran Tarkenton.

[Pondering Her Percy]

There were 6 offensive plays after Cousins gave Seattle a TD and an insurmountable lead. I seriously doubt those made a difference in Thielen's average separation. Face it, that stat is only "flawed" because you don't like what it means about your QB. Thielen was shutdown because his QB couldn't find him when he was open. Not because he was double covered, not because he wasn't getting open, but because the QB is garbage in big games.

Here we go again with you....This isnt an excuse that I made up for Kirk Cousins. This was reported. There are articles on it. It happened throughout the game along with 3rd and 4th and shorts that were terrible play calls. Read my post above.

It's a bogus stat not used for what you're implying but I guess this goes to show how desperate you are to try and make Cousins look bad lol

Average Separation (SEP)
The distance (in yards) measured between a WR/TE and the nearest defender at the time of catch or incompletion.

This stat does not tell you how open or covered he was EVERY play. This shows how much separation he had on the plays where he was targeted. He was targeted 7 times and caught 5 balls. Prior to those "final 6 plays" he had 3 catches for 23 yards. You claim to say he was always "open" and somehow saw that he was? Maybe here or there you can see if a guy is wide open on TV but for the most part the WRs are out of the picture. Do you truly believe Kirk Cousins is going to lie by saying they ran this package throughout the game? Or that he's going to miss Thielen THAT often when he nearly helped Thielen break an insane record that might not ever be touched? STOP DIGGING!! You sound desperate.

I'm not saying Cousins is god. I'm not saying he's an MVP. I'm not saying that he doesnt make mistakes. But you have to try and put words in my mouth and continue to fight this every time I post about Cousins. I could say that Cousins had 20 completions Monday night and you would sit here and argue saying he had 19 because some stat that you spent 15 minutes finding disregards one of the completions he had.

Well hold on there. Your argument all along was that Cousins is only struggling because the line is giving up too much pressure. Is that not the case?

It is great he has good numbers when pressured, but what is the impact of those numbers? Are we scoring a lot because of those great numbers? Or are we one of the worst offenses in the NFL?

^Putting words in my mouth once again....never did I say the ONLY reason Cousins has struggled is because of his offensive line. I've been posting about this same stat regarding adjusted sack rate literally for 2 weeks now. And you completely misread what I posted.

So I will rephrase again..... we're still giving up the most pressures in the NFL. We're also throwing the 3rd most in the NFL. Given how many times Cousins has dropped back and been pressured, he's been sacked 32 times which translates to 5.5% and now 7th in the NFL. That's actually pretty good on Cousins part given his OL leads the league in pressures. However, getting sacked 32 times is still not a good thing. If we now have an OC that recognizes and ADJUSTS to our strengths and brings balance to the offense, this pressure rate and sack total could and should drop or slow down. Seattle has one of the worst pass blocking offensive lines in the league. Worse than ours surprisingly. Great run blocking but horrid pass blocking. Wilson has been sacked 39 times this year (7 MORE than Cousins) and his OL has an adjusted sack rate of 9.8% (which ranks 29th in the NFL). That's terrible. However, they are winning games. Why? Because they are ADJUSTING. Wilson is by far the best player and one of the only players on that offense and he's throwing 20 times a game and (against us) 72 yards. They dont need him to win the game for them. They run the ball instead. We CAN run the ball. Cook is averaging 4.8 YPC in two games on the road. But its only on 29 carries. Flip refused to adjust no matter how the game was going. We had ONE RB that carried over 20 times in one game. Murray vs arizona and he shredded them for 155 and a TD. I'm sick of hearing "our OL cant run block". Yeah they can. We just dont run because of our OC. I think it's going to change now.

We have always known as fans our OL wasnt great. Or good. But when you're 3rd in the league in attempts and not running the football, you're asking for a disaster. Cousins already has over 40 more attempts than Keenum did last year and we still have 3 games to go. That shows you how unbalanced our offense is. Seattle has the best rushing offense in the NFL but ALSO lead the NFL in attempts because they continue to pound it no matter what. We are 31st and ONE carry away from being dead last. And I'll tell you right now, Dalvin Cook is an overall better RB than anyone on Seattle.

In the end, Cousins struggles are due to the unbalanced, pass heavy offense he has been in paired with a bad offensive line. I feel like if we have more balance, Cousins plays a lot better.

[StumpHunter]

I'm not saying Cousins is god. I'm not saying he's an MVP. I'm not saying that he doesnt make mistakes. But you have to try and put words in my mouth and continue to fight this every time I post about Cousins. I could say that Cousins had 20 completions Monday night and you would sit here and argue saying he had 19 because some stat that you spent 15 minutes finding disregards one of the completions he had.

And then you go on to make one excuse after another for the guy.

Agree that Cousins will suck less when he is throwing the ball less. Agree that the OC wasn't good and the Oline isn't good. I will not pretend that the QB isn't a big part of the problem though.

I actually expect improvements over the next few weeks, and then a big flop in the first round of the playoffs. People will ignore that it was against the Dolphins coming off of an emotional win, Lions and the Bears (who will have nothing to play for) second stringers, and come up with some excuse for the offense sucking in the playoffs that do not involve the QB. Book it.