Kirk Cousins is having an MVP season

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Re: Kirk Cousins is having an MVP season

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Pondering Her Percy wrote: Sat Dec 08, 2018 7:46 pm Lol yeah you’re right I’m “lying” in my posts. I’m not wasting my time going through a whole stat line of the redskins defense. It’s obvious to any redskins fan or football fan in general (except you) that they are a significantly better defense this year (I’m starting to think the only reason you won’t agree with it is just because it “helps” your argument with cousins which is sad). And if you read my posts, I have called out cousins at least a handful of times on here. But I’m not going to sit here and bash Kirk cousins for him wiping his as$ with the wrong hand. And you’ve been called to the carpet more than once about it. You’re a hater. Plain and simple. You’re going to find the one minuscule flaw in a stat line, the one flaw in his game and no matter what, always think he’s not a good QB. Problem is, you couldn’t judge talent at the QB position if your life depended on it. You defending Teddy Bridgewater alone showed that. I’ve said it a million times and I’ll say it again, for a fan base that is so harsh on QBs, defending Teddy Bridgewater and his stats (or lack thereof) literally makes me laugh out loud. I’ll leave it at that
You are 100% black and white in every one of your opinions in this thread, yet you call me unreasonable. A few examples:

Your take: The QB is not at fault for the lack of scoring. It is on the Oline and lack of run game.
My take: The Oline and run game are an issue, but the QB isn't helping them and has contributed to losses and the lack of scoring.

Your take: Washington's defense wasn't good enough to win with while Cousins was with the Redskins.
My take: Washington's defense wasn't good, but it wasn't so bad the skins couldn't have won more than 9, 8, and 7 games and certainly wasn't bottom 3 in any of those years.

Your take: The QB is great and is good enough to win a SB. Well worth the 84 million guaranteed.
My take: The QB has been very average, not worth the contract, and I hope he gets better.

How am I the unreasonable one?
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StumpHunter wrote: Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:20 pm
Pondering Her Percy wrote: Sat Dec 08, 2018 7:46 pm Lol yeah you’re right I’m “lying” in my posts. I’m not wasting my time going through a whole stat line of the redskins defense. It’s obvious to any redskins fan or football fan in general (except you) that they are a significantly better defense this year (I’m starting to think the only reason you won’t agree with it is just because it “helps” your argument with cousins which is sad). And if you read my posts, I have called out cousins at least a handful of times on here. But I’m not going to sit here and bash Kirk cousins for him wiping his as$ with the wrong hand. And you’ve been called to the carpet more than once about it. You’re a hater. Plain and simple. You’re going to find the one minuscule flaw in a stat line, the one flaw in his game and no matter what, always think he’s not a good QB. Problem is, you couldn’t judge talent at the QB position if your life depended on it. You defending Teddy Bridgewater alone showed that. I’ve said it a million times and I’ll say it again, for a fan base that is so harsh on QBs, defending Teddy Bridgewater and his stats (or lack thereof) literally makes me laugh out loud. I’ll leave it at that
You are 100% black and white in every one of your opinions in this thread, yet you call me unreasonable. A few examples:

Your take: The QB is not at fault for the lack of scoring. It is on the Oline and lack of run game.
My take: The Oline and run game are an issue, but the QB isn't helping them and has contributed to losses and the lack of scoring.

Your take: Washington's defense wasn't good enough to win with while Cousins was with the Redskins.
My take: Washington's defense wasn't good, but it wasn't so bad the skins couldn't have won more than 9, 8, and 7 games and certainly wasn't bottom 3 in any of those years.

Your take: The QB is great and is good enough to win a SB. Well worth the 84 million guaranteed.
My take: The QB has been very average, not worth the contract, and I hope he gets better.

How am I the unreasonable one?
Lol Pretty sure your “takes” were a little more black and white than what you’re implying. But again, done talking with you. :giveup:
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Pondering Her Percy wrote: Sat Dec 08, 2018 11:44 pm
PurpleKoolaid wrote: Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:13 pm

Look in the mirror PHP. All you have been doing in virtually every post is COMPLAINING about what the poster said. Its like you think those of us who dont agree with you are insane and we MUST change our mind.

Also, my posts aernt combative. Most of the ones ive read from you are. And insulting. It gets old, which is why I rarely post here or on game day chat. But thats going to change. Ive I have to foe you for another year I will. :deadhorse:
First of all, you’re dead wrong. Kapp and I just had a disagreement on Seattle’s OL. Wasn’t combative. Wasn’t insulting. Same has happened with guys like mansquatch as well. But yeah I guess that means I think guys that don’t agree with me are “insane and must change their mind” :roll: Problem is, you only read what you wanna read.

Your posts aren’t combative? Maybe YOU should look in the mirror. And the worst part about it is yeah, you don’t post on here nearly as much. You just troll. You find something you don’t like that either I say in a thread or a chat and you try to start crap with me. And if I’m not responding you come back with a sarcastic “I’m sure PHP thinks this....”. That is the definition of trolling. I’m not even talking to you or responding to you and you intentionally try to start crap. You just did it in this thread too. Foe me. Please. You post just to call me out or complain. It brings NOTHING to the board. If you’re going to post on here, bring something relevant. Bring statistics, bring reason, bring something. Instead of trolling or complaining about how bad the Vikings are. If I’m not responding to you or even involved in a chat, don’t try to call my name out. I’m not responding to you for a reason. If you wanna chat like everyone else, feel free but if you’re coming on here to troll like you have been and call me out, then foe me or knock it off. It’s tiring. You’re the constant negative poster on this forum that brings little and loves to troll. But my posts are “insulting”? When I’m not responding to you or even involved in a thread but you’re throwing my name out there to try and get something going or “insulting” me? Like you said earlier, pot meet kettle PK.

You are the new Demi. Not anything to be proud of. I got out of the game chat because of guys like you that come on there to complain, overreact or troll. Yet you stay silent when the Vikings are winning (exactly how Demi was). Demi stopped posting when Zimmer got here and this team started to turn around. Weird. Either way, I’m done listening to your trolling. It’s gone on for years and nobody has ever put a stop to it. Foe me and you’ll have nothing to say. It will make my day
And yet ANOTHER combative post. Really not even worth a reply but ive grown bored watching the Bears-Rams game.
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PurpleKoolaid wrote: Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:14 pm
Pondering Her Percy wrote: Sat Dec 08, 2018 11:44 pm

First of all, you’re dead wrong. Kapp and I just had a disagreement on Seattle’s OL. Wasn’t combative. Wasn’t insulting. Same has happened with guys like mansquatch as well. But yeah I guess that means I think guys that don’t agree with me are “insane and must change their mind” :roll: Problem is, you only read what you wanna read.

Your posts aren’t combative? Maybe YOU should look in the mirror. And the worst part about it is yeah, you don’t post on here nearly as much. You just troll. You find something you don’t like that either I say in a thread or a chat and you try to start crap with me. And if I’m not responding you come back with a sarcastic “I’m sure PHP thinks this....”. That is the definition of trolling. I’m not even talking to you or responding to you and you intentionally try to start crap. You just did it in this thread too. Foe me. Please. You post just to call me out or complain. It brings NOTHING to the board. If you’re going to post on here, bring something relevant. Bring statistics, bring reason, bring something. Instead of trolling or complaining about how bad the Vikings are. If I’m not responding to you or even involved in a chat, don’t try to call my name out. I’m not responding to you for a reason. If you wanna chat like everyone else, feel free but if you’re coming on here to troll like you have been and call me out, then foe me or knock it off. It’s tiring. You’re the constant negative poster on this forum that brings little and loves to troll. But my posts are “insulting”? When I’m not responding to you or even involved in a thread but you’re throwing my name out there to try and get something going or “insulting” me? Like you said earlier, pot meet kettle PK.

You are the new Demi. Not anything to be proud of. I got out of the game chat because of guys like you that come on there to complain, overreact or troll. Yet you stay silent when the Vikings are winning (exactly how Demi was). Demi stopped posting when Zimmer got here and this team started to turn around. Weird. Either way, I’m done listening to your trolling. It’s gone on for years and nobody has ever put a stop to it. Foe me and you’ll have nothing to say. It will make my day
And yet ANOTHER combative post. Really not even worth a reply but ive grown bored watching the Bears-Rams game.
And yet you continue to troll....
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Okay, now I will say I told you so.

My goodness what a disaster.
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#### YOU COUSINS!! AND YOU TOO FLIP!! :pour: My final words for the night.
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Rick sure knows how to draft and get the QB in FA doesnt he? He is a QB genius!!!!!!!!

But the QBs problems this year are based solely on Flip calling bad plays.
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in games starting after 4pm EST
2015: 1/4
2016: 1/5
2017: 4/8
2018: 1/4
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In games starting after 7pm EST
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$84 million to take us from the NFC Championship game to this?? I hope Ziggy saved his receipt so he can return his purchase.
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purplenoway wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:22 pm $84 million to take us from the NFC Championship game to this?? I hope Ziggy saved his receipt so he can return his purchase.
This joke has ran its course...Vikings are stuck with Cousins. Thankfully it's only for 2 more seasons instead of more. Silver lining, I suppose.
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He panicks under pressure. That pass backwards to Murray was one of the dumbest plays I’ve ever seen. What happens if he doesn’t field it? I think he or his coaches are too much in his head. The free wheeling Cousins at the beginning of the season was much better.
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PurpleKoolaid wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:14 pm Rick sure knows how to draft and get the QB in FA doesnt he? He is a QB genius!!!!!!!!

But the QBs problems this year are based solely on Flip calling bad plays.
JDF and the horrid OL, ESPN even said as much
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me4get wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:32 pm
PurpleKoolaid wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:14 pm Rick sure knows how to draft and get the QB in FA doesnt he? He is a QB genius!!!!!!!!

But the QBs problems this year are based solely on Flip calling bad plays.
JDF and the horrid OL, ESPN even said as much
So is Cousins. So is whoever hired JDF, and thought protecting our billion dollar QB with this Oline was a good idea. Plenty of blame to go around for this sorry attempt of a football team.
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Purple Domination wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:32 pm He panicks under pressure. That pass backwards to Murray was one of the dumbest plays I’ve ever seen. What happens if he doesn’t field it? I think he or his coaches are too much in his head. The free wheeling Cousins at the beginning of the season was much better.
I got a good chuckle out of that. The epitome of panic mode. :lol:
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me4get wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:32 pm
PurpleKoolaid wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:14 pm Rick sure knows how to draft and get the QB in FA doesnt he? He is a QB genius!!!!!!!!

But the QBs problems this year are based solely on Flip calling bad plays.
JDF and the horrid OL, ESPN even said as much
Cousins isn’t this bad of a QB given what he’s shown the past few weeks. However this offensive coordinator and offensive line, are. Kirk cousins is a good QB, idc what anyone says. Is he Tom Brady, Rivers, mahomes, etc? No. But he’s good enough to bring this team where it needs to go. Anyone with half a brain knows that Kirk cousins is a better pure QB than case Keenum and has also been WAY more consistent over his career. We get a better QB this year and a MUCH worse OC. It doesn’t add up.

We have eclipsed 20+ carries by one back ONCE in 13 games (Murray vs Arizona) and he went for 150ish. Cook has 140 yards on 29 carries in two games. Averaging 4.8 per carry but averaging less than 15 carries a game. Cousins is averaging over 40 passes on the year per game. It’s DRASTICALLY unbalanced. Him and Zim aren’t on the same page. They said it all game.

Do you know why Seattle has the best run offense in the nfl? Because they KNOW their OL is terrible at pass blocking. There is no possible way that Wilson should be sacked 6 more times than cousins on the year when he has 130+ LESS pass attempts. Also doesn’t add up. Seattle’s line is excellent at run blocking but pass blocking they are even worse than ours. Look at the numbers, they don’t lie. It’s just ours looks that much worse because 1.) we don’t have a mobile QB like Wilson and 2.) were throwing THAT much more than Seattle is. 130 pass attempts is over 4 games worth of pass attempts for Russell Wilson. FOUR GAMES. Could you imagine if Wilson had 4 more games on cousins right now how much more he would be sacked than cousins? He’d blow him out of the water. It would be like a 15+ sack difference. They commit to the run because they know they can’t hold up in the pass. They aren’t putting the game on Wilson. They are putting it on 3 backs that are all about average to a little above average right now. FLIP is putting the game on Kirk cousins. Dalvin cook is a freaking stud and Murray is an excellent backup and we are bottom of the league in rushing. This OL can run block. They’ve shown it the last two games. Bottom line is, Seattle knows they have bad pass blockers so they ADJUST. We (should) know we have bad pass blockers as well and a much less mobile QB and we continue to push the pass. THATS the problem. You can get away with a bad pass blocking OL if you’re doing what Seattle is. You can’t if you’re throwing 40 times a game.

Blame Spielman, blame Zim, blame the OL, blame cousins, Flip is the problem here. And either Zim isn’t saying shi* when he should be or flip is downright ignoring it and doing it how he wants. Kirk cousins is FAR from the problem of this team. Look how bad Aaron Rodgers and the packers were this year when they had bad playcalling. I hate Rodgers with a passion but he was changing plays because of how bad McCarthy was. Rodgers has looked beyond his prime. Is it him or McCarthy? Idk but signs point to McCarthy. The same is going for flip.

I called out so many short yardage plays tonight out loud in front of my tv it wasn’t even funny. The 4th and inches was obvious. The 3rd and 1 and 3rd and 2 were obvious. “Let’s bring in Murray for the 2nd time all game, Treadwell for his blocking and cj ham”.....hmmm I wonder what they are going to do....run up the gut. Why give it to Dalvin cook right? Or even sneak it since that worked twice.

Nobody that watches football can sit here and truly say case Keenum is a better QB than cousins. It’s showing this year. Keenum is one of the worst starting QBs in the league and was a career backup prior to his miracle season. He will be back to being a backup sooner than later. This team shouldn’t be worse with Kirk cousins. Which is why I don’t blame cousins because there is one underlying factor in all of it and it’s Flip. He doesn’t have a clue. Does cousins make mistakes? Of course. I’m not blind to it. But it goes way beyond that. And for all the guys saying we need a “mobile QB”, then how are guys like Brady and Peyton manning so successful? They don’t get touched and they have balance in their offense. Not saying cousins is anywhere near them because he isn’t but seeing guys complain in that chat anytime an offensive lineman gets ran over, a guy runs through untouched, a guy gets hurt, someone drops a ball, an incomplete pass, etc and say “fu Kirk”, “can we get a refund”, “Keenum is better” makes me wanna puke. Russell Wilson threw 20 passes for 72 yards tonight. THAT makes me wanna puke. He couldn’t hit a WR in stride if his life depended on it tonight. Which is why they continued to pound the ball and NOT put the game in Wilson’s hands.

Since our offense has crapped the bed everything, no matter WHAT it is, is being thrown on Cousins. And sorry but that’s wrong. I can point out PLENTY of mistakes he’s made this year for all those that want to come at me thinking I think he’s “god”. But I always say when things go wrong, I search for the WHY. And the WHY is NOT Kirk cousins. The why is JDF. It couldn’t be more clear at this point.

Another reason why case Keenum would suck fat a$s just like he is in Denver if he was still here with Flip is because Flip is a pass heavy, one dimensional, predictable OC and Keenum is one of the most mistake prone QBs out there. Case Keenum couldn’t throw the weight on his shoulders if his life depended on it. Neither can Cousins. Neither can Rodgers for Christ sake. Keenum would be an absolute train wreck this year. Arguably worse than he is in Denver right now. Nobody can sit here and honestly say if case Keenum is throwing 40 times a game, we’d be winning more games right now. Not a freaken chance. And I can just about guarantee that if we had Keenum and he is the train wreck us football fans know he would be, guys would be saying “Spielman is such an idiot to rely on this guy”, “Spielman doesn’t ever spend money in FA”, “ we should’ve went after cousins”, etc. GUARANTEED.

I’m excited to have cousins for the next 2 years. But I might turn off the tv from here on out if Flip stays as OC for the next two years. Take it or leave it but Flip is the #1 problem right now and it’s even becoming obvious to analysts, the media and the fans
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