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Vikings vs. Seahawks MNF - pregame

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I had an unintentional long write-up about how I like the Vikings chances tomorrow in another thread, so I figured I would paste here to get things started. Big game that is essentially a December playoff game. I like the Vikes to pull of the upset. Being from Seattle, I also know the Seahawks very well. Here is what I posted in another thread:
It's not surprising most favor Seattle given the current trends of each team, but I know both teams well and if you look at it, I think the Vikings matchup very well.

I wrote something on the Seahawks somewhere else in the thread, but essentially, on offense, they are very efficient. They run the ball very well and when they throw it's usually productive. Of the quarterbacks who have thrown at least 25 TD's, Russ has the least attempts by far out of those QB's, so they are very dependent on a strong run game and then picking their spots in the pass game (lots of PA). Against the Vikings defense, that won't be so easy with Linval and Richardson eating up the inside. An underrated aspect of Danielle Hunter's game is stopping the run, so they won't be able to gash the Vikings like I think most expect. They're running backs aren't flashy and their key cog, Chris Carson, is a guy who is more of an AP-type rather than the elusive kind of running back. The way the Vikings rally to the ball as a defensive unit, they should be all over Carson. Basically, even though Seattle's offensive line is much improved from a season ago, the Vikings defensive front is easily the better unit of the two and will wear them down. Without the run game clicking, it makes things very difficult for Russell. In 3 of their 5 losses, Russell had over 30 attempts, which is not their recipe. While Wilson can create magic, he's still susceptible to getting sacked and their Oline isn't as great at pass pro as it is in the running game department. Lockett has been Seattle's most effective receiver. He doesn't get all too many receptions, but he usually beats a team deep once or twice a game and usually for a score. Doug Baldwin coming off injury this season has not been to the level he has been in his career. The Vikings should be able to handle the WR's and their front 4 should give Russ fits when the pass by getting a ton of pressure. I imagine the Vikings pick their spots to blitz again because if you blitz and miss, Russell will eat them up by extending the play, but Zimmer has done a great job this season in picking his spots to blitz. I just really don't see Seattle's offense having the day it will take to win. Minnesota's defense is the best they've seen by far since playing Chicago in week 2, where they got blown out. Minnesota's defensive speed is much more than that of Seattle's offense and I think that will present challenges.


On the other side of the ball, Seattle's defense is good. The secondary is young and opportunistic, LB's are one of the better units in the league with holdovers from that SB team with Wagner and Wright. They aren't the best up front though and Kirk should have time. They are also dead last against the run when it comes to yards per attempt. By saying Minnesota wins, I'm assuming one thing for their offense in that Zimmer gets to DeFilippo and the they run the ball like they want to -- much like Seattle's recipe. All the circumstances are there to really get the run game going and it keeps the opportunistic defense at bay. Vikings will be able to take shots against Seattle, but it's definitely incumbent on having a run game. Seattle struggled stopping the Rams and while Minnesota doesn't have an offense with that explosion, they still have great talent and a duo of receivers that Seattle hasn't seen. Not to mention that Rudolph is coming on late, so Kirk should have no problems spreading the ball, taking his shots and the offense putting up points.

My main worry...Easily, the biggest worry is Kirk and holding onto the football. No fumbles and a clean passing game -- which given the gameplan I mention that I think they will employ, he shouldn't need to force anything and can take what's there and still have a big day -- and I think Minnesota controls the clock when they need to and scores points and they will win.

Playing in Seattle is a factor, but it all comes down to playing the game and again, I just like how Minnesota matches up with Seattle, so it shouldn't matter where they play.
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Vikings start slow... Again, but play just well enough to keep it close... Again. Then when they need a big stop, they don't get it... Again.

When was the last time they got a signature road win where they just owned the game from start to finish? Not where they led throughout, but where from the first quarter on they just owned the game? I remember in Zimmers first season they best the Rams pretty good in STL but other than that... Idk... Maybe the Oakland game a few years ago... Not the 16-0 in Lambeau because that game was close for lost of it.
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A prime time game, against a good team, with a GREAT oline, on the road? I would say our chances are slim to none. But you can never count out our Dline. Or Smith and Rhodes mixing things up. Its been a while since our Dline (other then the Packers game) has had the opposing QB on the run, much like Cousins has been his entire time with the Vikings. I think this will be a low scoring game, and it will come down to who gets the breaks, and who doesnt make mistakes. Seeing that Zimmer led teams have made a lot of mistakes this year, it could be a long game. But i will still watch it, and hope we dont get blown out early. :govikes:
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a GREAT Oline?

I don't know about that.
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PacificNorseWest wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:05 am a GREAT Oline?

I don't know about that.
I meant compared to our Oline. They can actually rush for yardage.
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PurpleKoolaid wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:21 am
PacificNorseWest wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:05 am a GREAT Oline?

I don't know about that.
I meant compared to our Oline. They can actually rush for yardage.
Well, yeah, but they don't play against our Oline. :lol:

As I mentioned though, Seattle's defense gives up the most yards per attempt in the running game. Deadlast in the league. Vikings should be able to run the ball tomorrow.
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Seattle is playing real confident ball right now but the Vikings defense will be one of the better defensive units they have faced recently. They cannot let Wilson have one of the games where he goes ape shat making the Vikings look real dumb.

I feel like if the Vikings can run the ball and control Seattle's running game, I feel like the secondary could have a good day against the Seahawks receivers.

A mixture of run and pass, sustaining drives is a good way to win in a hostile environment like Seattle.

The Vikings really can't afford to lose this game regardless of what happens with other teams in the NFC. This game is of serious importance and they need to come out guns blazing. I don't want to see a flat start and them forced to play catch up all night.

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Our DL should have no problem getting after Wilson. Seattle's OL is far from great. They are simply committed to the run. Something we dont do. They are a good run blocking OL but blow ours out of the water when it comes to bad pass blocking. They are beyond terrible outside of Duane Brown. The key is, when we get to Wilson, we have to contain him. But we should be in his face all game vs. the OL. I hope Zim watched a lot of film from 2015 and what he ran against him then because we completely shut him down in the playoffs. I would like to see Zim blitz more this game but I doubt it happens. Wilson isnt nearly as good at making quick decisions. With as bad as his OL is pass blocking, if we blitz, he's in trouble. But I'm sure Zim will rely on our front four all game and at times, it's going to give Wilson way too much room to buy time back there.
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The biggest worry is Wilson, I think. The Vikings have not been good at containing running QBs. It really seems to throw a wrench in the defensive scheme.

Anyway, I think this is a loss. I think we stack up pretty well against them but I expect the Vikings to lose to teams with winning records until they can prove otherwise. They're even worse in prime time. Kirk Cousins is also something like 0-6 on Monday night.
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Cliff wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:24 am The biggest worry is Wilson, I think. The Vikings have not been good at containing running QBs. It really seems to throw a wrench in the defensive scheme.

Anyway, I think this is a loss. I think we stack up pretty well against them but I expect the Vikings to lose to teams with winning records until they can prove otherwise. They're even worse in prime time. Kirk Cousins is also something like 0-6 on Monday night.
They couldn't even contain Brady. I shutter to think what Wilson will do. I assume they will have a spy... Isn't that usually what Barr does?
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I think we'll know pretty quick if this is going to be a game the Vikings have a chance to win. Just look at the relative energy levels of the two teams. The Vikings have just been flat IMHO, especially early in games. I don't know if they are trying to keep an even keel or something, but the lack of energy early seems to be a marker of how the game is going to go.

This is a subjective measure I know, but it seems to be a hallmark of this year's team. I can't think of a game this year where the Vikings came out flat compared to their opponent and won. They haven't come out flat in every game, but when they do, and it usually seems like on prime time they do, they have fallen behind early, waited until late to stage a furious comeback, only to usually fall short. The offense can't sustain drives, can't run the ball consistently, and can't score, while the defense can't stop the opponent's big plays. The defense seems to be a little less prone to extended stretches of poor play, but with the offense completely AWOL for large stretches of the first half+ of games, the outcome has been predictable.

We will see what happens tonight, but the track record this year does not bode well. I hate to be fatalistic, but if the offense sputters yet again, and I think there is a good chance it will, and the Seahawks can run it for 4-5 yards on 1st and 2nd downs, which I think they can, coupled with Russell Wilson's ability to make his fewer pass attempts count, it could be another long night for the Vikes.

I think this game will remind us of the game against the Rams. Vikes fall behind early, rally late, but too late. Hope I'm wrong.

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PurpleMustReign wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:34 am
Cliff wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:24 am The biggest worry is Wilson, I think. The Vikings have not been good at containing running QBs. It really seems to throw a wrench in the defensive scheme.

Anyway, I think this is a loss. I think we stack up pretty well against them but I expect the Vikings to lose to teams with winning records until they can prove otherwise. They're even worse in prime time. Kirk Cousins is also something like 0-6 on Monday night.
They couldn't even contain Brady. I shutter to think what Wilson will do. I assume they will have a spy... Isn't that usually what Barr does?
Wilson's scrambling is most lethal behind the line of scrimmage. When he leaves the pocket, he's not looking for yards with his feet as much as throwing daggers with his arm. He's very successful with this. So having a LB spy him isn't going to do much unless the LB comes after him on a blitz.
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Pondering Her Percy wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:08 am They are a good run blocking OL but blow ours out of the water when it comes to bad pass blocking. They are beyond terrible outside of Duane Brown.
And keep in mind, DJ Fluker is out this game. He had been essentially a bust early in his career, but he was one of the reasons why the Seahawks have been so successful running the ball. He was doing great at run blocking. He isn't playing tonight.
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I'm sure it's already been brought up but I think it comes down to how good the OL performs and how quickly Cousins can successfully get rid of the ball. The running game has been missing for a while it'll be a miracle if they find it in this game.
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PacificNorseWest wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:37 pm
Pondering Her Percy wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:08 am They are a good run blocking OL but blow ours out of the water when it comes to bad pass blocking. They are beyond terrible outside of Duane Brown.
And keep in mind, DJ Fluker is out this game. He had been essentially a bust early in his career, but he was one of the reasons why the Seahawks have been so successful running the ball. He was doing great at run blocking. He isn't playing tonight.
Agreed. Yeah he is a giant mauler and his only good trait is run blocking. He’s always been a brutal pass blocker. Any idea who’s filling in? Our interior should be able to shred these guys just as much as our DEs. Griff will have a tough day going against brown but Hunter should feast
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