Sam Bradford's a Viking

[Demi]

They should have made a run at Peyton.

The "Shaun Hill isn't much worse than Teddy" fluff job in the other thread made me feel less good about Hill than it made me feel bad about Teddy. So yeah after wishing they'd made a push for Foles a month ago, it's nice they did something. And the something they did is likely the best option possible. Even if it cost that first, at least this season isn't a throwaway like it was with Hill or some other bum. And they might have a better option moving forward. At least it's an option. Something they haven't had in a decade or more at the position...

[randomghost11]

At least one site rates the Eagles pass blocking below ours last year, and yet Bradford had a better year than Bridgewater. Not a whole lot better, but better. 19 TD vs 14, playing 2 fewer games. Actually that's a good bit better. Teddy ran for a few too, which narrows the gap. But if we extrapolate Bradfords numbers to 16 games it opens up again.

Yes actually Bradford is marginally better than Teddy even when Teddy is given adequate protection. Teddy wasnt a top anything QB. Bradford is average and Teddy has been below average but "shows promise". Advantage: Bradford.[/quote]

Lmao in no way Bradford is better than teddy. There is a reason everywhere I have seen people are laughing at us for making this deal.

[jackal]

Yes actually Bradford is marginally better than Teddy even when Teddy is given adequate protection. Teddy wasnt a top anything QB. Bradford is average and Teddy has been below average but "shows promise". Advantage: Bradford.

Lmao in no way Bradford is better than teddy. There is a reason everywhere I have seen people are laughing at us for making this deal.[/quote]

People are laughing because; they love to watch other people who are successful, fail. Bradford is an injury prone QB, yes... Did I like the fact he complained when they drafted
Wentz, NO. He is a tradtional pocket passer QB, that won the Heisman in college. If the Vikings can give him any time he is very capable of throwing 3-4 touchdowns a game and
400 yards. He is the best arm we have had since Bret Farve. I just hope he can stay healthy and become part of the team. Bradford can throw a 40 yard bomb into the hands of Diggs
or Johnson better than Teddy can. Teddy has some leadership advantage over Bradford. Bradford is a much better passer IMO. I am hoping we attack 30 yards a game multiple times in
the first half and let Adrian pound it in the second with with a few deep balls to keep them honest.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxpk2uOVnZU Eagles last season


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7DtUfYJdLw 2010 Offensive Rookie of the year

[jackal]

Oh you'd barely feel a thing, take one for the team!

Knowing Jim's luck he gets hooked on a rock, and has a long afternoon....
We yell down, " Sorry Jim, it was Craig that didn't push you hard enough"

[Jordysghost]

The vikings had easily the worst oline last year. Our team was run first and yet our QB was still the most pressured in the league and was at the top in being sacked. Having Adrian has not helped teddy in the passing department only in winning games. And yes Bradford has had bad olines and those are the years he has looked bad and has gotten injured. We have seen what Bradford is at his best and its not better than Teddy when he is given adequate protection. I Believe when teddy has protection he is easily a top 15 qb but he rarely gets time and doesn't have monster receivers he could rely on to get open fast.

Bradford has always been on run first teams for the most part, so idk why that matters?

Bradford at his best, has proven to be far above anything Bridgewater has ever proven to be capable of, the fact that he has had AP to lean on make his production even less impressive, im not basing it on quantity, im basing it on quality, Bridgewater hasn't been very capable in his two years at QB.

I don't think there is anything at all to suggest Bridgewater is a top 15 QB given better protection, this is a prime example of shifting his faults upon something else.

[Jordysghost]

Yes actually Bradford is marginally better than Teddy even when Teddy is given adequate protection. Teddy wasnt a top anything QB. Bradford is average and Teddy has been below average but "shows promise". Advantage: Bradford.

Lmao in no way Bradford is better than teddy. There is a reason everywhere I have seen people are laughing at us for making this deal.[/quote]

The actual on field production says he is, if people are being critical it is because of his pricetag.

[Jordysghost]

Lmao in no way Bradford is better than teddy. There is a reason everywhere I have seen people are laughing at us for making this deal.

People are laughing because; they love to watch other people who are successful, fail. Bradford is an injury prone QB, yes... Did I like the fact he complained when they drafted
Wentz, NO. He is a tradtional pocket passer QB, that won the Heisman in college. If the Vikings can give him any time he is very capable of throwing 3-4 touchdowns a game and
400 yards. He is the best arm we have had since Bret Farve. I just hope he can stay healthy and become part of the team. Bradford can throw a 40 yard bomb into the hands of Diggs
or Johnson better than Teddy can. Teddy has some leadership advantage over Bradford. Bradford is a much better passer IMO. I am hoping we attack 30 yards a game multiple times in
the first half and let Adrian pound it in the second with with a few deep balls to keep them honest.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxpk2uOVnZU Eagles last season


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7DtUfYJdLw 2010 Offensive Rookie of the year[/quote]

'Leadership over Bradford'

Is there anything not completely subjective and abstract that Bridgewater is better then Bradford at? I really don't think so.

I agree with the majority of your post Jackal.

[randomghost11]

Lmao in no way Bradford is better than teddy. There is a reason everywhere I have seen people are laughing at us for making this deal.

People are laughing because; they love to watch other people who are successful, fail. Bradford is an injury prone QB, yes... Did I like the fact he complained when they drafted
Wentz, NO. He is a tradtional pocket passer QB, that won the Heisman in college. If the Vikings can give him any time he is very capable of throwing 3-4 touchdowns a game and
400 yards. He is the best arm we have had since Bret Farve. I just hope he can stay healthy and become part of the team. Bradford can throw a 40 yard bomb into the hands of Diggs
or Johnson better than Teddy can. Teddy has some leadership advantage over Bradford. Bradford is a much better passer IMO. I am hoping we attack 30 yards a game multiple times in
the first half and let Adrian pound it in the second with with a few deep balls to keep them honest.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxpk2uOVnZU Eagles last season


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7DtUfYJdLw 2010 Offensive Rookie of the year[/quote]

This is assuming we give Bradford time in which teddy hasn't had for 2 seasons. If there isn't good protection Sam will have a worse year than teddy have since he doesn't have the ability to extend plays. The only thing bradford has over teddy is the deepball and the deepball relies on protection to allow the play to develop

[Jordysghost]

People are laughing because; they love to watch other people who are successful, fail. Bradford is an injury prone QB, yes... Did I like the fact he complained when they drafted
Wentz, NO. He is a tradtional pocket passer QB, that won the Heisman in college. If the Vikings can give him any time he is very capable of throwing 3-4 touchdowns a game and
400 yards. He is the best arm we have had since Bret Farve. I just hope he can stay healthy and become part of the team. Bradford can throw a 40 yard bomb into the hands of Diggs
or Johnson better than Teddy can. Teddy has some leadership advantage over Bradford. Bradford is a much better passer IMO. I am hoping we attack 30 yards a game multiple times in
the first half and let Adrian pound it in the second with with a few deep balls to keep them honest.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxpk2uOVnZU Eagles last season


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7DtUfYJdLw 2010 Offensive Rookie of the year

This is assuming we give Bradford time in which teddy hasn't had for 2 seasons. If there isn't good protection Sam will have a worse year than teddy have since he doesn't have the ability to extend plays. The only thing bradford has over teddy is the deepball and the deepball relies on protection to allow the play to develop[/quote]

Bradford has had years with bad O lines that were better then Teddys two years, just saying.

I trust Bradford to be decisive with the football and not take unnecessary sacks far more then Teddy not to mention the difference in arm strength.

[jackal]

Think of this people in 2009 the last year we a QB, we destroyed the NFL ...

If you don't load the box Peterson will get 150-200 yards, almost every game. If you try and load the box
Bradford will kill you on go routes and slants. Bradford is better at accuracy and timing than Teddy. Overall
I think our wide out core is as good as its been in 15 years. Our TE group is pretty good group. Rudolf is above average
I think David Morgan has some huge upside. We have two real good blockers downfield in Morgan and Treadwell.
In time I think Treadwell will be a one on one nightmare in the endzone. Our defense was very very good and IMO
is going to be even better this season. I think Kearse will be starting by mid season and our LB group will be even better
with Barr and Hendricks getting better and Lamurr. McKinnon has game break ability as well as we have seen against New York
last season and in preseason can get loose and burn teams for touchdowns.


I love Teddy and have supported him since day one. I hope he comes back has ten year pro bowl seasons and four Super bowls
for the Vikings.

I have seen improved pass protection from our groups a few games we have formed a nice horseshoe of protection and given
Teddy, Hill, and Stave several seconds. OL lines get better the longer they play together. If we can throw in some block/ screen
passes to keep teams honest with the blitz this might work out. Not to mention sometimes leaders going down brings teams together
... I feel much better knowing we might not have to see Hill play QB much this season.

[Mothman]

From Mark Craig of the Star Tribune:

http://www.startribune.com/craig-viking ... 392259091/

The negotiations began Friday night and intensified — but only because of new tight ends coach Pat Shurmur, who coached Bradford in St. Louis and in Philadelphia. It was Shurmur who convinced the organization that Bradford had the intelligence and the work ethic to learn Norv Turner's offense quickly.

The tentative plan heading into Monday's practice is to start Shaun Hill in next Sunday's season opener at Tennessee. Bradford will be armed with a simplified portion of the offense in case Hill is injured. After that, the coaches will huddle to discuss starting Bradford in the Week 2 home opener against the Packers on "Sunday Night Football."

Hill, who backed up Bradford in St. Louis, remains a trusted backup. But only short term. The team couldn't ignore his age (36), injury history and the fact he's never started more than 10 games in 15 NFL seasons.

It sounds like, as we suspected, Shurmur played a significant role in the decision to trade for Bradford.

Regarding Hill: if the age, injury history and overall history of a team's primary backup QB can't be ignored to the point where a serious injury to the starter necessitates a blockbuster trade 8 days before the season, that backup was inadequate in the first place.

[Purple Martin]

Wow. Quotation disaster alert above. I don't know who said what but I know 3 diferent people didn't say the exact same thing.

[Mothman]

From Kevin Siefert:

http://www.espn.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/ ... ngs-crisis

The Minnesota Vikings fell into a crisis, deeper than most people grasped, at the moment Teddy Bridgewater went down last week with a left knee injury. After years of methodically building a Super Bowl contender, and on the eve of entering a new stadium, the Vikings had arguably the least-talented quarterback group in the 32-team NFL.

Already without their promising starter, the Vikings were one predictable injury away from starting an undrafted rookie who himself is already banged up. How embarrassing to the franchise, and how much of an indictment to its architects, would it have been to see Joel Stave -- yes, Joel Stave -- start in the Week 2 prime-time opening of U.S. Bank Stadium against the NFC North rival Green Bay Packers?

It was a scenario too real to risk, a combination of freak injuries and calculated gambles, and it was a big part of why the Vikings paid a premium Saturday to acquire quarterback Sam Bradford from the Philadelphia Eagles.

If nothing else, this deal gave the Vikings' offense a chance to make this season a fair fight. This was severe crisis management, not a bold moon shot to capture a championship.

I think Siefert's right on point in this article.

[Mothman]

One more article... this is an interesting take:

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/09/minneso ... -good-move

If your goal is to protect against the worst outcomes, than staying away from Bradford was the right call. But there are significant risks following that route, too.

There’s an inherent tendency to think draft picks are more lucrative than they actually are. Stock piling picks is a smart strategy not because it means you’re stock piling good players, but rather because you’re hedging against all the duds. Teams have about a 30 percent chance of landing cheap Pro Bowl talent in the first round, a number that only gets slimmer as the draft goes on. Most of the time teams end up with solid starters (about a 50 percent chance in the first round) and roster-fillers. Both have value, of course, but aren’t the kind of home runs hopeful fans like to suggest.

Not trading for Bradford also effectively means sacrificing at least one, and probably two, seasons.

Maybe things go well and the Vikings sneak into the playoffs this year, but opting for a season with Shaun Hill under center probably means settling for something around 8-8.
And so onto 2017, which would be dedicated to seeing whether Bridgewater is salvageable. Even if he was exactly the same as before, his overall ability was still open to question — with all due respect, this isn’t Tom Brady the Vikings are waiting around for.

Going into a holding pattern for the next two seasons is a long time. Promising rosters have a habit of dismantling themselves quickly in the NFL. Free agency happens. Injuries happen. Personal issues that you can’t plan for happen. Players get older. Even if the Vikings stave off those problems, it could still have to find a replacement quarterback and an heir for an aging Adrian Peterson.

I don't agree with everything in the article and, of course, Bradford wasn't the only option out there so they didn't have to trade for him in particular. However, I think the points about the actual value of draft picks and the risks of protecting against worst outcomes (of a deal like this) are valid.

Meaningless Stuff That Probably Only Matters To Me Dept.: It drives me nuts when sportswriters refer to teams as "it". I realize why they do that (a team is a singular entity) but it always sounds awkward to me, especially because most team names are plural (Vikings, Giants, etc.). Teams are also a collection of players, coaches and other professionals so why not just refer to them with "they" instead of "it"? That used to be common practice and it sounds more natural to me.

[Skoltastic_Voyage]

I read most of your posts and laughed... so very much.

About trading a first round pick, Teddy is a first round pick right? We used a first round pick and... well we have an apparently fragile (2 injuries in preseason and NON CONTACT!) QB on IR. Yup. sooo just remember where our first round picks are, CP and CP84, Teddy... Yeah, good times.

I don't know what this season holds but as much as you may hate this I've watched a ton of bradford, I actually like him as our QB more than teddy because our staff WRECKS QB's confidence, something they need to learn elsewhere before coming to the vikings or they're toast... Remember CP coming on the field and firing off a 70y pass? then he turns into the handoff machine and has to just "manage" the game. I swear our staff is purposely destroying QB's. I've seen the look in Teddy's eyes, he is under pressure every play, even when he isn't because the way these guys mess with QB's heads. I think Bradford will be alright... we haven't turned him into a complete headcase yet.

Jordy, you've been spot on with your comments in this thread, kudos. Also I may like to add with exception of panthers and seachickens I see the pack having a very good year with an easy playoff berth. The fans on this board are beside themselves because they believed in Teddy, I tried to but never felt he was all that good.

and not for nothing but all those talking about us and a superbowl... Well, can't rule it out but it'll be an amazing year if that happens and is it weird that Sam's initials, SB can stand for Superbowl?