Thoughts about the debacle

VikingLord · Post by **VikingLord** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:55 am

Jordysghost wrote: Even if that is the case as of right now, Brady has had top 15 O lines nearly his entire career, Rodgers has had bottom 10 O lines his entire career, Rodgers most definitely had it this bad, for most of his career I might add.

I absolutely would bet you that ths years Patriots O line wont give up as many sacks as the Packers 2008. 2009. or 2011 O lines. Going off NFL statistics is not feeling bad for Aaron.

So Rodgers proves that a good QB can overcome bad offensive line play to at least a degree.

Jordysghost · Post by **Jordysghost** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:57 am

VikingLord wrote: So Rodgers proves that a good QB can overcome bad offensive line play to at least a degree.

Indeed.

The Breeze · Post by **The Breeze** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:02 am

I'm not detracting...I'm just not giving him extra credit for how good those players turned out. Meaning, I think just about any NFL coordinator would have made good use outta the guys Jimmie Johnson drafted as well as LT, Rivers, Antonio Gates etc.
I've already seen Musgrave get more out of guys on this current roster than he has, as well as field a much more potent offense in Oakland with, what I would estimate as, half the weapons the vikings have.
I just hope the guy is held accountable by his units performance rather than his resume.

mosscarter · Post by **mosscarter** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:07 am

we had musgrave not too long ago breeze did you forget? he was, as i recall, the worst offensive coordinator ever and now look at him. he has a great young qb, and he was the last guy to actually get patterson involved as a receiver. the inevitable truth is bridgewater is not a legitimate starting quarterback why does everyone continue to avoid that point? i hope we sign a half injured manning next year. anyone AVERAGE at qb and this team is a contender.

Purple bruise · Post by **Purple bruise** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:10 am

mosscarter wrote:we had musgrave not too long ago breeze did you forget? he was, as i recall, the worst offensive coordinator ever and now look at him. he has a great young qb, and he was the last guy to actually get patterson involved as a receiver. the inevitable truth is bridgewater is not a legitimate starting quarterback why does everyone continue to avoid that point? i hope we sign a half injured manning next year. anyone AVERAGE at qb and this team is a contender.

Why do you make countless posts about what a worthless QB he is. We get it honestly

Jordysghost · Post by **Jordysghost** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:11 am

The Breeze wrote: I just hope the guy is held accountable by his units performance rather than his resume.

Agreed, and I anticipate his leash will be short if he does not improve things.

mosscarter · Post by **mosscarter** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 2:15 am

purple bruise you are right: i've made too many posts about how he is a useless qb, because he is. my question is from here on in is how, or why can't people see it? his numbers are beyond pathetic and he has the best running back of this generation in the backfield. he also has several receivers that many teams even wish they had, and he cannot connect with them. anyone can have a high completion percentage when they dink and dunk and that is all teddy has done his entire career as at starter. he has no deep game whatsoever, none. you don't develop a strong arm you either have it, or you don't. this is so eerily similar to ponder it is actually sickening. everyone defended him, but up until what point? 8 passing touchdowns through 10 games and you call this guy a franchise qb are you KIDDING ME?

Jordysghost · Post by **Jordysghost** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 2:23 am

mosscarter wrote: he also has several receivers that many teams even wish they had, and he cannot connect with them.

Eh, I disagree with this.

Also, while I really do understand your frustrations, truly, I really do think, even from an outside view point that Teddy has occasionally displayed exactly the kind of potential that he was drafted for, whether or not he has enough TD passes. (Which personallly isn't how I would judge Bridgewater on a run heavy team with the greatest RB since Barry Sanders playing the feature role.) And I don't even want the guy to be good.

fiestavike · Post by **fiestavike** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 3:58 am

Purple bruise wrote: Why do you make countless posts about what a worthless QB he is. We get it honestly

I, for one, am excited not to have to hear it anymore!

UKno1VIKING · Post by **UKno1VIKING** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 6:09 am

mosscarter wrote:we had musgrave not too long ago breeze did you forget? he was, as i recall, the worst offensive coordinator ever and now look at him. he has a great young qb, and he was the last guy to actually get patterson involved as a receiver. the inevitable truth is bridgewater is not a legitimate starting quarterback why does everyone continue to avoid that point? i hope we sign a half injured manning next year. anyone AVERAGE at qb and this team is a contender.

I liked Ponder

Post by **dead_poet** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 8:32 am

Purple Reign wrote: Just curious - where do you find the stats for qb pressure/hurries? All I can find are sacks stats.

Two sources where I see that often: beat writers and PFF.

Post by **dead_poet** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 8:52 am

Mothman wrote: Does anybody here know how whoever is measuring pressure makes that determination? Over the years I've seen stats and percentages but I have no idea how they're determined. If a pass protector gets beat but the QB gets the ball away quickly, before the rusher can really interfere with the play, is he considered pressured? Does he have to specifically react to the pressure with movement of some kind for it to be considered pressure?

I've always been clear on the benefits of pressuring the QB but I've never been clear on what the criteria are for statistically measuring pressure( assuming there's an official standard at all).

I found this, Jim: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/99466 ... s-rush-nfl

Post by **Mothman** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 9:20 am

dead_poet wrote: I found this, Jim: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/99466 ... s-rush-nfl

Thank you! That helps shed some light on the subject. I'm still not a 100% clear on it but I feel better-informed than I was last night when I asked the questions above. I appreciate the link.

Purple bruise · Post by **Purple bruise** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 9:23 am

fiestavike wrote: I, for one, am excited not to have to hear it anymore!

And yet he gets in one more shot on how horrible Teddy is

Purple bruise · Post by **Purple bruise** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 9:26 am

UKno1VIKING wrote: I liked Ponder

You might be interested in this: Ponder is being worked out in an emergency situation to give the Broncos a contingency plan in case of injury to Brock Osweiler, obviously, and he’s got some starting experience in the league. Though, in a time when teams have been desperate for QBs, he’s still available.
http://predominantlyorange.com/2015/11/ ... an-ponder/

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