5.146 Vikings select WR- Stefon Diggs Maryland

[Norv Zimmer]

He still holds value as a kick returner. It's not like he's some dud on the roster that can't do anything. He's a talented athlete and it just depends on what they decide to do with him. I'd get rid of Thielen before I'd ever get rid of Patterson[/quote]
Totally agree, sad to say but I think Theilen is gone. Sucks kinda because he is such a good story. Hopefully if he gets released someone would claim him (patriots? ) or he would definitely fit back on out practice squad.

People calling for cutting CP, that is just asinine.

[Demi]

No, assinine is wasting time on a guy who can't even figure out how to run a route. And the one thing he does bring was just neutered by the NFL. Diggs could do just as well returning the ball as Patterson. But likely run his route correctly more often.

But we traded four picks for him, and Spielman is a genius, so we HAVE to keep him.

And hey, we went through the same thing with Williamson, so it's not like this dance hasn't been danced before. I think we should have given him more time too! What's he up to? Maybe Patterson just needs 30 starts under his belt.

No one is saying cut him. But anything we could get for him would likely be of more value then he's going to be. Get a player for him. Something. Going into his third year and he still needs to have his hand held in the offseason to try and teach him the basics of his position. Yeah, that bodes well for his future...

[Pondering Her Percy]

No, assinine is wasting time on a guy who can't even figure out how to run a route. And the one thing he does bring was just neutered by the NFL. Diggs could do just as well returning the ball as Patterson. But likely run his route correctly more often.

But we traded four picks for him, and Spielman is a genius, so we HAVE to keep him.

And hey, we went through the same thing with Williamson, so it's not like this dance hasn't been danced before. I think we should have given him more time too! What's he up to? Maybe Patterson just needs 30 starts under his belt.

No one is saying cut him. But anything we could get for him would likely be of more value then he's going to be. Get a player for him. Something. Going into his third year and he still needs to have his hand held in the offseason to try and teach him the basics of his position. Yeah, that bodes well for his future...

Because people are calling Spielman a genius for drafting him? But yeah let's focus on his one first round miss in four years (not really counting Kalil because he was good and just hasnt been there mentally since) That's just you trying to get your little shot at Spielman

You say we're "wasting time" with him. What time are we wasting?? It's not like he's effecting others around him and holding people back. This will be his first year having the same offense in two consecutive years. Relax and just see what he does this year.

You also sit there and say how bad he is and call Spielman an idiot but then you say trade him. If he's so bad and you actually think you know what you're talking about then why would any other GM trade for him??

[Demi]

Sorry I brought it up, we drafted a guy that seems like he'd be able to do everything Patterson could do, without the hand holding. And Patterson might have some value, but I guess maybe Patterson doesn't have any value.

[fiestavike]

Sorry I brought it up, we drafted a guy that seems like he'd be able to do everything Patterson could do, without the hand holding. And Patterson might have some value, but I guess maybe Patterson doesn't have any value.

The book is still open on him. I'm encouraged that the Vikings seemed to hold him to a high standard last year, and enforced it by pulling him off the field when he didn't live up to it. It seems Patterson got the message that his ability to progress as a WR this year will determine if he can be an NFL WR or an NFL gadget player. Lets see what happens and go from there.

[losperros]

No one is saying cut him. But anything we could get for him would likely be of more value then he's going to be. Get a player for him. Something. Going into his third year and he still needs to have his hand held in the offseason to try and teach him the basics of his position. Yeah, that bodes well for his future...

As a matter of fact, it probably does bode well for the future. Patterson has never had this kind of coaching attention before and now he's getting it. Zimmer, Turner, Stewart , and Spielman have all said that Patterson is showing great attitude and progress this offseason. You seem to think otherwise.

I guess we'll see who's closer to the situation when the season swings around.

[Mothman]

As a matter of fact, it probably does bode well for the future. Patterson has never had this kind of coaching attention before and now he's getting it.

No, no... not "coaching attention", hand-holding. "Coaching attention" sounds too positive, as if it might yield a good result or indicate that a player is working hard and improving his game. After all, we all know hard work and additional coaching/guidance during an offseason have never helped a player improve.

[fiestavike]

No, no... not "coaching attention", hand-holding. "Coaching attention" sounds too positive, as if it might yield a good result or indicate that a player is working hard and improving his game.

[saint33]

No, no... not "coaching attention", hand-holding. "Coaching attention" sounds too positive, as if it might yield a good result or indicate that a player is working hard and improving his game. After all, we all know hard work and additional coaching/guidance during an offseason have never helped a player improve.

if a player needs to be coached, he sucks. We should really just fire all the coaches, they don't actually do anything. Players are either good or they suck, coaching is just a myth

[Demi]

If a player is so bad at his job that the coaches have to report to the media that he's visiting some mystical WR guru, yeah, that's a bad sign. Just like stories about removing parts of the face mask or nike vision camps are bad signs.

Maybe it isn't a lack of attention, maybe it's a lack of ability? Or because he's on the Vikings he just has to be able to get it? The lack of progress from this teams receivers isn't an issue as well? Maybe the coaching itself isn't very good? Along with a player who isn't cut out for the position? Or maybe even the game?

Nope, never. Not while he's on *my* team!

[saint33]

If a player is so bad at his job that the coaches have to report to the media that he's visiting some mystical WR guru, yeah, that's a bad sign. Just like stories about removing parts of the face mask or nike vision camps are bad signs.

Maybe it isn't a lack of attention, maybe it's a lack of ability? Or because he's on the Vikings he just has to be able to get it? The lack of progress from this teams receivers isn't an issue as well? Maybe the coaching itself isn't very good? Along with a player who isn't cut out for the position? Or maybe even the game?

Nope, never. Not while he's on *my* team!

or maybe the media wanted to know what the team's plan was to get more out of a highly talented, high profile player on the team who had a disappointing season. And the answer was that they are sending him to learn from a former player.

I don't see the similarity to the "nike vision camp" at all. That was an obscure solution that seemed very unlikely to provide actual results. On the other hand, a player learning from a past successful player is common practice in the NFL.

I don't think you've seen anyone here say that he "has to get it". Most posters on this board have a wait and see approach to Patterson and aren't considering him as more than a low depth chart player with big play upside and the talent to succeed in case he does "get it". Others, like yourself, refuse to accept the idea that a player, no matter how talented he may be, has any potential to improve with coaching, or at least it seems that way from your comments. And the minute you see a player struggle is the moment you're ready to move on. Most people would disagree with that philosophy. Players grow and learn at different rates, some players are great out the gates, some take time, some never get it. All we know at this moment is that Patterson does not fall into the first category, but he certainly has shown the ability to fit the mold of the 2nd category.

[fiestavike]

If a player is so bad at his job that the coaches have to report to the media that he's visiting some mystical WR guru, yeah, that's a bad sign. Just like stories about removing parts of the face mask or nike vision camps are bad signs.

right right, a "mystical WR guru", because a WR coach sounds too positive and suggests that Patterson is of his own volition spending his offseason working to improve his game. Clearly spending the offseason working to improve your game indicates that you aren't good enough anyway.

[Demi]

right right, a "mystical WR guru", because a WR coach sounds too positive and suggests that Patterson is of his own volition spending his offseason working to improve his game. Clearly spending the offseason working to improve your game indicates that you aren't good enough anyway.

To bring out Patterson's talent, Zimmer asked the receiver to work with someone in the offseason. Zimmer wouldn't divulge who he wanted to mentor Patterson.

Zimmer would later mention when asked if this person was a player, a coach or an instructor, he replied, “kind of all three.”

So yeah, not too sure about own volition.
And "coach" would be fine...but according to the Vikings themselves he isn't exactly a coach.

[The Breeze]

I've seen Demi laud specific coaches for coaching guys up. Davidson for example. The burr in the saddle as far as CP goes is that fact he cost 3 picks, not to mention the great players taken with those picks.
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But whatever, just like Ponder, it's in no way CP's fault for how he wound up on this team. Whatever he can and cannot do remains to be seen....and even he ackowledged that this is a make or break season for him.
Hoping it works out for the best. Not sure I would favor seeking a trade for him...but if someone was dangling a decent offer, i'd hope they'd consider it.

[PurpleKoolaid]

I've seen Demi laud specific coaches for coaching guys up. Davidson for example. The burr in the saddle as far as CP goes is that fact he cost 3 picks, not to mention the great players taken with those picks.
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But whatever, just like Ponder, it's in no way CP's fault for how he wound up on this team. Whatever he can and cannot do remains to be seen....and even he ackowledged that this is a make or break season for him.
Hoping it works out for the best. Not sure I would favor seeking a trade for him...but if someone was dangling a decent offer, i'd hope they'd consider it.

Unfortunately, it is a lot like our former #7. They wasted so many years on him. But #7 at least played his position in college. CP was not only intellectually inept, he didnt know his position, and Rick sank WAY to much into an unknown. Just like reaching for #7. The question is, when do they cut their losses, and give his reps to a WR with talent at the WR spot. We overpaid for a KR. He isnt even exceptional at that anymore.