117.6

[frosted]

Negate pre-snap reads? Hardly. Just because I'm suggesting they add another type of stat wouldn't change what plays are called. I didn't say change the current system, I would just like to see an additional 'actual yards passing' stat. I really don't see that being a bad thing.

As I understood it, he meant that it would diminish the impact that pre-snap reads have on a quarterbacks statistics. I don't think anyone is suggesting that it would change the way games are called.

No, of course not. As I said earlier, I would just like to see another stat that shows actual yards passed. Still keep the current stats, just add a new one. I'm not sure where I ever suggested they replace the current stats which is what people are assuming I am suggesting.

Maybe that's where you lost them (and myself), when you said:

IMO, passing yards should be just that, yards gained through the air and would be a better indicator of how good a qb is at 'passing' rather than just the total passing yards stat used today.

It sounded like you were advocating for passing yards to be "just that, yards gained through the air".

Sorry, you just seem dismissive of the role quarterbacks can have on a WR's YAC.

EDIT: Sorry, I realize this is really off topic. I'll just leave it at that. Cheers.

[TSonn]

As I understood it, he meant that it would diminish the impact that pre-snap reads have on a quarterbacks statistics. I don't think anyone is suggesting that it would change the way games are called.
Maybe that's where you lost them (and myself), when you said:
It sounded like you were advocating for passing yards to be "just that, yards gained through the air".

Sorry, you just seem dismissive of the role quarterbacks can have on a WR's YAC.

EDIT: Sorry, I realize this is really off topic. I'll just leave it at that. Cheers.

Yeah, I'd be all for adding a column to the passing stat, but a QB's decisions and ball placement have a ton of impact on YAC, so the current official QB yardage should stick.

[mosscarter]

i know what could solve it: you guys should just keep your own stats each week and create whatever categories you want.

[Purple Reign]

Maybe that's where you lost them (and myself), when you said:
It sounded like you were advocating for passing yards to be "just that, yards gained through the air".

Sorry I wasn't more clear. But I also stated "I think they should have another category/stat for actual passing yards", plus I also said it was just my opinion as to what actual passing yards should be, which in no way suggests that I thought they should replace the current stat, but yeah, I guess you could kind of infer that.

[Demi]

I would just like to see an additional 'actual yards passing' stat.

ESPN.com has splits that break the "By Pass Play" into how far the ball is thrown.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits/_/ ... ridgewater

[saint33]

ESPN.com has splits that break the "By Pass Play" into how far the ball is thrown.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits/_/ ... ridgewater

are those up to date? Cause if they are, I don't know how reliable they are considering it says he's completed only 1 in the 30-40 range with no touchdowns and 0 in the 40+ range. On the TD pass yesterday, the line of scrimmage was at our 44 yard line and Johnson caught the ball at the 15 yard line.... that's 40+ yards by my calculations, but even if you were off a yard or two, that's a 30-40 yard pass at least

[Purple Reign]

are those up to date? Cause if they are, I don't know how reliable they are considering it says he's completed only 1 in the 30-40 range with no touchdowns and 0 in the 40+ range. On the TD pass yesterday, the line of scrimmage was at our 44 yard line and Johnson caught the ball at the 15 yard line.... that's 40+ yards by my calculations, but even if you were off a yard or two, that's a 30-40 yard pass at least

Looks like they are up to date, at least the number of passing tds are correct (10). Wow - talk about a site for stats junkies.

[Raptorman]

Was fooling around with Bridgewater's stats tonight and I saw something interesting. Comparing his first 5 games with his last 5 games, and yes I included the New Orleans game in there because he played most of 3 quarters in that game.

First 5

93/155 attempts. 60% 1053 yards, 6.8 YPA, 2 Td's 5 Int. 16 sacks. 71.25 rating.

Last 5

99/155 attempts. 64% 1083 yards 7.0 YPA 8 Td's and 2 Int. 12 sacks. 93.56 rating.


Taking care of the ball better? Making fewer mistakes? Or is it the teams they played? Only time will tell.

[Raptorman]

Based his first 9 starts broken down into 3 game blocks.

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Comp   Att   Pct     Yds    Avg    TD    Int       Rate
  57    93    61%    662    7.1     1     5       64.00
  68   112    61%    667    6.0     3     1       82.07
  55    85    65%    657    7.7     6     2      101.93

It appears he might be getting the hang of it. We shall see.

[jackal]

He seems to be getting better timing, Johnson and Jennings especially seem in sync with Teddy

I was really worried when his timing was so off a month ago

[Cliff]

I wonder how much Patterson being out of position or getting jammed on the line hurt the offense earlier this year? That position seems to get a lot of targets in this scheme ... is Johnson getting open more or getting to the right place more, I wonder ... or both?

[Mothman]

I wonder how much Patterson being out of position or getting jammed on the line hurt the offense earlier this year? That position seems to get a lot of targets in this scheme ... is Johnson getting open more or getting to the right place more, I wonder ... or both?

It's hard to say. One difference is that Bridgewater is actually connecting with him. There were some plays where Patterson was open and the pass simply wasn't catchable. It does look to me like Johnson uses his hands more effectively to fend off DBs who press him at the line.

[losperros]

I wonder how much Patterson being out of position or getting jammed on the line hurt the offense earlier this year? That position seems to get a lot of targets in this scheme ... is Johnson getting open more or getting to the right place more, I wonder ... or both?

Jim is right. Some of Patterson's misfortunes haven't always been bad plays on his behalf. According to Norv Turner:

(Cordarrelle) has had some bad luck. He's had some situations where he's been open and (quarterback) Teddy (Bridgewater) threw it somewhere else and he could have big plays. ... I see him being a big-time player in this offense as we go forward."

http://www.twincities.com/vikings/ci_27 ... ck-picture

I think Johnson is doing a great job. But I also firmly believe that Teddy is simply getting better at everything. Honestly, I can't think of anything he hasn't improved on since he first started.

[Mothman]

Based his first 9 starts broken down into 3 game blocks.

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Comp   Att   Pct     Yds    Avg    TD    Int       Rate
  57    93    61%    662    7.1     1     5       64.00
  68   112    61%    667    6.0     3     1       82.07
  55    85    65%    657    7.7     6     2      101.93

It appears he might be getting the hang of it. We shall see.

Indeed. These last two games have boosted his stat line for that third block but I'm very concerned about how he'll perform on the road in noisy, hostile environments, against good defensive teams like Detroit and Miami. The Vikes have played 4 of their last 5 at home and in the one road game of the bunch (@Chicago), I thought Teddy looked timid and overwhelmed most of the game. These next two games should give us a clear picture of just how much he's progressed.

[flatman]

what is perhaps the most impressive is that he is doing all of this with basically NO running game and a banged up line. i'm really impressed with charles johnson what a pleasant surprise he has been.

I believe Charles Johnson and Teddy are going to be best friends very soon.