Purple bruise wrote:Fair enough but what aspect of his game do you see improving?
Honestly, I don't see an aspect of his game that's improving. However, I don't think a little over 7.5 games is enough time to make an adequate evaluation and I don't expect to see immediate, week-to-week improvement. I see a lot of inconsistency from him but that's what I expected to see in his rookie season.
To me, it's just too early to make the call on him one way or the other.
Mothman wrote:He's played less than 8 full games of pro football, not even half a season, so I think it's way too early to make an accurate assessment of his future. I don't see Bridgewater as a QB who has steadily regressed or as a QB whose inevitable future is as a backup. I don't think he's fully seized the opportunity before him and proved that he's going to be a quality starter in the NFL but to me, he's just a rookie who is playing like a rookie. I was hoping to see a little more upside than we've seen so far but so it goes. I think the guy has to be given time to learn.
That said, I'm fully in favor of drafting another QB and I don't just mean in the 6th or 7th round, although that would be fine. I'm certainly not giving up on Bridgewater but I agree with you that the longer the Vikes wait to find their franchise QB, the longer the suffering will continue. They put all their eggs in the TJ basket and then put all their eggs in the Ponder basket and as far as i'm concerned, that's the wrong way to go about it. They should be developing a potential "next man up" behind Bridgewater even as they're developing him. Sandwich a veteran backup between them on the depth chart but by all means, they should get started on Plan B so that if Plan A doesn't work out, there actually is a Plan B.
I agree with all the above. The Vikings need to give Bridgewater more than half a season to develop but they also must be forward thinkers and execute Plan B sooner than later.
As for right now, what can the Vikings do? They have Bridgewater and Ponder. It makes sense to start Teddy. Hopefully, this season will provide him with the experience needed to be a quality starter. If not, maybe he becomes a good backup. But bottom line, they need to play him right now.
Let's not forget that a year ago at this time he was a Louisville Cardinal. He proceeded to dominate a Bowl game less than a year ago. He was drafted 6 months ago.
Did not get all of the 1st team reps as we all said that Cassell was the best option and wanted to bring TB along slowly, like Rodgers was.
Then into the season and we lose Cassell and AD. Thrown to the wolves with no running game, only 2nd team reps, and we expect him to be leading this team against professional football players? Really? Not realistic!
Let's now add a WR who cannot run routes, an injured TE, and a hobbled OL that's missing pieces.
I think the kid is doing a great job in a new offense, not just to him but everyone. Meaning that No One is completely comfortable with the offense.
I still want to see the offense opened up and get into 3WR sets, making quick reads, and moving the pocket. Those are his strengths, no better time than the current to see what he can do.
IIsweet wrote:Let's not forget that a year ago at this time he was a Louisville Cardinal. He proceeded to dominate a Bowl game less than a year ago. He was drafted 6 months ago.
Did not get all of the 1st team reps as we all said that Cassell was the best option and wanted to bring TB along slowly, like Rodgers was.
Then into the season and we lose Cassell and AD. Thrown to the wolves with no running game, only 2nd team reps, and we expect him to be leading this team against professional football players? Really? Not realistic!
Let's now add a WR who cannot run routes, an injured TE, and a hobbled OL that's missing pieces.
I think the kid is doing a great job in a new offense, not just to him but everyone. Meaning that No One is completely comfortable with the offense.
I still want to see the offense opened up and get into 3WR sets, making quick reads, and moving the pocket. Those are his strengths, no better time than the current to see what he can do.
To say he is doing a great job seems like quite a stretch IMO. I think that his poor play through most of the Packer game (missing open receivers and throwing a crucial pick) cost them the game.
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Purple bruise wrote:
To say he is doing a great job seems like quite a stretch IMO. I think that his poor play through most of the Packer game (missing open receivers and throwing a crucial pick) cost them the game.
Looking at how other backup QBs are doing, he's fine ! He's improving.
I think he will have a very good sophomore year.
Purple bruise wrote:
To say he is doing a great job seems like quite a stretch IMO. I think that his poor play through most of the Packer game (missing open receivers and throwing a crucial pick) cost them the game.
I agree that Bridgewater's misses cost the Vikings a lot of big opportunities, maybe even the game. But I'm not ready to give up on him. I want Bridgewater to play out the season.
Besides, as I pointed out before, what other option is available to the Vikings right now?
Purple bruise wrote:
To say he is doing a great job seems like quite a stretch IMO. I think that his poor play through most of the Packer game (missing open receivers and throwing a crucial pick) cost them the game.
I wouldn't say "most" of the packer game. He had his tough moments but it wasn't at a constant. He kept the team in the game. Also you mentioned the staring down of WRs. Maybe it's just me but I'm not really seeing this at all. If you watch both of his TD passes, he was looking the complete opposite direction before throwing it to Jennings and Johnson. Even the announcers were saying that he was doing a great job going through his progressions.
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Ted doesn't stare his WRs down - his problems stem from his accuracy and touch, but the mental part of his game seems fairly advanced for a rookie. He also does a nice job with his pocket presence/awareness. It's nice to see. If he can continue to clean up his mechanics, and be more consistent in that regard, he'll be fine.
Pondering Her Percy wrote:
I wouldn't say "most" of the packer game. He had his tough moments but it wasn't at a constant. He kept the team in the game. Also you mentioned the staring down of WRs. Maybe it's just me but I'm not really seeing this at all. If you watch both of his TD passes, he was looking the complete opposite direction before throwing it to Jennings and Johnson. Even the announcers were saying that he was doing a great job going through his progressions.
frosted wrote:Ted doesn't stare his WRs down - his problems stem from his accuracy and touch, but the mental part of his game seems fairly advanced for a rookie. He also does a nice job with his pocket presence/awareness. It's nice to see. If he can continue to clean up his mechanics, and be more consistent in that regard, he'll be fine.
Exactly my take. Usually, rookie quarterbacks struggle a lot with the mental aspect of the game as well as the instinctual. Teddy is well ahead with that part the game and the best part is that most the time you can't really teach those things. Especially instincts. What can be learned and is much more tangible, is accuracy and touch. I've continued to be encouraged by Teddy despite some frustrating throws.
Came across a quote from Turner about Teddy during the preseason:
"One of the things that has been the most impressive to me is, I knew he'd be very accurate, I knew he'd make great decisions, quick decisions, but he's been outstanding throwing the ball deep, which some people thought that was going to be an issue," Turner said, via FOXSports.com's Brian Hall. "I think in the six or eight weeks we've had him on the field, I think he's been put in a position where he's had to make most of the throws he would have to make and I think he can make all the throws he needs to make."
I hate to make comparisons to Ponder, but pretty much the same thing was said about him as far as how he looked great in practice. I just hope Teddy doesn't turn out the same. I realize it's early and he needs more time, just pointing out the same things were said of Ponder and he never was able to transfer his practice game to a live game.
Purple Reign wrote:Came across a quote from Turner about Teddy during the preseason:
"One of the things that has been the most impressive to me is, I knew he'd be very accurate, I knew he'd make great decisions, quick decisions, but he's been outstanding throwing the ball deep, which some people thought that was going to be an issue," Turner said, via FOXSports.com's Brian Hall. "I think in the six or eight weeks we've had him on the field, I think he's been put in a position where he's had to make most of the throws he would have to make and I think he can make all the throws he needs to make."
I hate to make comparisons to Ponder, but pretty much the same thing was said about him as far as how he looked great in practice. I just hope Teddy doesn't turn out the same. I realize it's early and he needs more time, just pointing out the same things were said of Ponder and he never was able to transfer his practice game to a live game.
Yeah me too. Ponder put up better numbers his rookie year than TB playing without a training camp, with a crappy pass protecting line and very suspect receivers. Just saying....
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Purple bruise wrote:
Yeah me too. Ponder put up better numbers his rookie year than TB playing without a training camp, with a crappy pass protecting line and very suspect receivers. Just saying....
That's depressing to...Ponder.
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Purple bruise wrote:
Yeah me too. Ponder put up better numbers his rookie year than TB playing without a training camp, with a crappy pass protecting line and very suspect receivers. Just saying....
Stats. Bah! Humbug!
Ponder had happy feet and would always make a bad decision. He would play decent all game then always commit that one blunder that made everyone scratch their heads.
Accuracy is the main issue with Teddy. Other than that, I can't see how you guys don't notice how much more fluid and efficient Teddy is in comparison to Ponder.