The brilliance of Rick Spielman on Day One

[Slick Rick]

Of course he does not but if Teddy does well then he will say that Rick did not want him and if he sucks then he will blame him for drafting him, the same goes for JFB just wait and see

I already know the type. Wasn't exactly holding my breath waiting for something legitimate like facts. Some people deal strictly in opinion, and you almost have to realize that there's no way to combat that sort of thing other than asking for something substantial. No proof, no logic=no argument.

[Demi]

No use mentioning the multiple reports, they aren't notarized with two other sources which is the only way some people will believe something...unless it supports what they already think.

[Purple bruise]

Interesting article, Minnesota Vikings 2014 NFL Draft: Rick Spielman, Mike Zimmer, and Teddy Bridgewater: "Just when you thought that Rick Spielman couldn't get any less popular for taking Anthony Barr with the #9 pick and botching a rumored trade for picking Johnny Manziel, he goes and does something like this...AND TOTALLY REDEEMS HIMSELF!
Spielman had watched Bridgewater live three times and two games really stuck out with him over his college career. "The game at Rutgers two years ago really stood out for me when he came in with a broken ankle and banged up wrist and brought them back to win that game. And then I got a chance to see him play live against Central Florida this year. Every time I had exposure to him and you watch the tape with Coach Turner, he just seems to have that knack when he's in pressure situations in a game to come through it."
Yep, it sounds as if Ricky did not want to draft him
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http://www.dailynorseman.com/2014/5/9/5 ... ike-zimmer

[Slick Rick]

No use mentioning the multiple reports, they aren't notarized with two other sources which is the only way some people will believe something...unless it supports what they already think.

There are a lot of things reported; global warming is fake, Obama is planning a fascist takeover, the illuminati planned 9/11, Obama planned 9/11, George Bush doesn't care about black people. Opinions are nice, but facts take precedent. Using a report to illuminate truth is the epitome of believing what you hear, regardless of whether or not there's any evidence.

[Purple bruise]

There are a lot of things reported; global warming is fake, Obama is planning a fascist takeover, the illuminati planned 9/11, Obama planned 9/11, George Bush doesn't care about black people. Opinions are nice, but facts take precedent. Using a report to illuminate truth is the epitome of believing what you hear, regardless of whether or not there's any evidence.

Or believing what you WANT to hear

[Demi]

There are a lot of things reported; global warming is fake, Obama is planning a fascist takeover, the illuminati planned 9/11, Obama planned 9/11, George Bush doesn't care about black people. Opinions are nice, but facts take precedent. Using a report to illuminate truth is the epitome of believing what you hear, regardless of whether or not there's any evidence.

Reported by who? Legitimate reporters well connected in their field? Didn't think so.
But if Wobby reported anyone of those on vikings.com that you already believed, you'd eat it up.

If a top flight NFL guy reported Spielman wanted Teddy the entire time, I'd believe as much as the current story. As would you. But because it doesn't support a GM you clearly support, you don't. That's the difference...

[Purple bruise]

Interesting article, Minnesota Vikings 2014 NFL Draft: Rick Spielman, Mike Zimmer, and Teddy Bridgewater: "Just when you thought that Rick Spielman couldn't get any less popular for taking Anthony Barr with the #9 pick and botching a rumored trade for picking Johnny Manziel, he goes and does something like this...AND TOTALLY REDEEMS HIMSELF!
Spielman had watched Bridgewater live three times and two games really stuck out with him over his college career. "The game at Rutgers two years ago really stood out for me when he came in with a broken ankle and banged up wrist and brought them back to win that game. And then I got a chance to see him play live against Central Florida this year. Every time I had exposure to him and you watch the tape with Coach Turner, he just seems to have that knack when he's in pressure situations in a game to come through it."
Yep, it sounds as if Ricky did not want to draft him
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http://www.dailynorseman.com/2014/5/9/5 ... ike-zimmer

ERGO: this means nothing

[Demi]

A fluff piece from a homer site that specifically says:

Spielman wouldn't get into specifics about the possibility of attempting to trade up to the #22 pick to get Johnny Manziel, but he definitely didn't deny it either. "We're always pretty aggressive calling around to move back into the first. This is the third time I've done this. We were fortunate enough to find a trade partner and get two number ones again this year."

Not only that, but 'The Turners' were mentioned by Zimmer and Spielman. Along with previous media reports. It seems clear to anyone looking at this objectively that Bridgewater was not the preferred choice of Spielman or Zimmer. And Only Ownership/Turner were really on board and pushing to make this happen. Along with the video of when it went down, there can be no possible question!

Mr Brilliant blew it on the guy he wanted. And history will once again show, he was wrong. Thankfully this time more brilliant minds were around to make sure he didn't completely bungle it. Thank you Mr. Norv Turner, you've already done more for this team than any of the previous three offensive coaching minds we've had. And possibly even kept our incompetent GM from blowing it once again! Maybe this coaching staff will be able to counteract a lack of ability higher up the chain. We'll have to wait and see, but so far so good!

[Purple bruise]

I will call BS on that and you show us some statement from any legitimate source that says Spielman preferred JFB to Teddy. OBTW Spielman not saying yeah or nay about the matter is meaningless. If Spielman wanted JFB he had the chance to get him and passed.
Why is every thing homer, homer, if anything is seemingly positive to you

[Slick Rick]

Reported by who? Legitimate reporters well connected in their field? Didn't think so.
But if Wobby reported anyone of those on vikings.com that you already believed, you'd eat it up.

What would you consider "well connected"? If you're a nationally recognized journalist or pundit you're legitimate or what's the case? If you can't give me any examples, I can't really tell what you consider "legitimate reporting".

I'd eat it up? You mean like how you obviously ate up the "legitimate reports" that the Vikings wanted Manziel?

If a top flight NFL guy reported Spielman wanted Teddy the entire time, I'd believe as much as the current story. As would you. But because it doesn't support a GM you clearly support, you don't. That's the difference...

No, I don't have an allegiance to Spielman or the FO. I call things like I see them. If I thought there was any legitimacy to the story about how Spielman wanted Manziel, I wouldn't rule it out. So far the facts surrounding it don't really add up. Initial reports said that we tried to trade up to #22, and that we either told the Eagles we wanted Manziel for some odd reason, or the reporter assumed that we wanted Manziel. For one, I highly doubt teams tell each other what their intentions are for trading up. Assuming that we did tell them we wanted Manziel, it isn't necessarily the truth. Teams spend the entire offseason deceiving each other, what makes you think that trade talks during the draft are any different?

Again, it just sounds like this whole "legitimate report" is based off of a series of assumptions, and so is your argument. You're already locked in on your opinion that Rick wanted Manziel, yet everyone else is "believing what they want to believe". What's next, are you going to accuse everyone of wanting to use your avatar because all of ours are different?

[Webbfann]

For one, I highly doubt teams tell each other what their intentions are for trading up. Assuming that we did tell them we wanted Manziel, it isn't necessarily the truth. Teams spend the entire offseason deceiving each other, what makes you think that trade talks during the draft are any different?

Again, it just sounds like this whole "legitimate report" is based off of a series of assumptions...

It is. Thank you.

[Slick Rick]

Whatever the case was, I think Bridgewater is the right guy. Wasn't it Fran who called Johnny a "football savant" or something like that? I think it's more befitting of Bridgewater. Isn't the thing with the savant that they're so "natural" at their craft? I think Bridgewater just looks like a natural. If I could choose one word to describe the way he plays, it'd be close between "effortless" and "fluid".