dead_poet wrote:
It's how I have felt watching the Vikings these last couple of seasons. When I see a better, more exciting team, I'll change it. Until then, I'm an unimpressed chewing giraffe.
I don't really think Manziel fits the Norv Turner style offense but if he is there at #8, I don't see the Vikings passing up on him. If every QB, was available at #8 (which I know isn't going to happen), the QB I would rather have is Teddy Bridgewater. He fits a Norv Turner offense, and is as close to a pro style offense developed player you will get.
Oakland Raiders: Derek Carr, QB, Fresno State
This may still surprise some people, but as I wrote last week, I've been hearing more and more that multiple teams in the top 10 prefer Carr over both Teddy Bridgewater and/or Johnny Manziel. We're trained to think that Bridgewater and Manziel will go before Carr because of what we've heard on TV or read on news-aggregator Web sites, but "strange" things happen on Draft Day because teams simply think differently at times.
There is no telling what is truly going on inside the heads of Vikings coach Mike Zimmer and offensive coordinator Norv Turner, two of the three most important people involved in the decision. (The third, general manager Rick Spielman, has pledged to draft players who match the sensibilities of his coaching staff.) We can, however, say this with confidence: Manziel would represent a stylistic departure from the offense played on the teams Zimmer and Turner have coached throughout their combined 49 NFL seasons.
King James wrote:I don't really think Manziel fits the Norv Turner style offense but if he is there at #8, I don't see the Vikings passing up on him. If every QB, was available at #8 (which I know isn't going to happen), the QB I would rather have is Teddy Bridgewater. He fits a Norv Turner offense, and is as close to a pro style offense developed player you will get.
I think Manziel is going to be a success in the NFL. I also think with what the Vikings have on offense, combined with Norv's offense, I think he could succeed very well.
A successful coach needs a patient wife, loyal dog, and great quarterback - and not necessarily in that order.
Purplemania wrote:I"m curious but how many of you have seen Manziel's pro day? There is a video on youtube that has all 65 throws.
After watching it, I came away fairly imress, and I've been a Manziel doubter. His mechanics look great, and showed good arm strength. However, I also found it odd that after 2 or so months, suddenly Johnny has changed up his mechanics. So to me it means either that Manziel worked really hard after his bowl game to improve, or it means that it is a pro day, a work out- and the "pressure" of getting chased by defender was with a broomstick . In a real game when Manziel gets chased he certainly does not look that smooth…but who knows. Basically, he has climbed up my board. If anything, at least Manziel showed he has the basic tool to be a good QB.
I think he has something like a 68% completion rate, which is very impressive, considering he's a running QB and A&M does throw the deep ball.
A successful coach needs a patient wife, loyal dog, and great quarterback - and not necessarily in that order.
Mothman wrote:
Siefert makes a good case, doesn't he?
It's a well-written piece; very convincing.
This part, in particular:
But if you're among those who think he'll [Turner] endorse Manziel, then you must believe he sees him in the same light as those traditional pocket throwers -- or that he is planning a sharp left turn in his scheme and play-calling ideas as he approaches his 62nd birthday next month. Tweaking schemes to fit players is a popular NFL mantra, but is it reasonable to expect it from Turner?
Texas Vike wrote:
It was proven recently by official studies that Evans accounted for 67% of his long ball completions (+ 25 yds.) .
I guess that's why he's one of the 3 A&M guys going in the 1st round. But he still can throw the long ball, there really hasn't been any argument about that point, from what I've heard.
A successful coach needs a patient wife, loyal dog, and great quarterback - and not necessarily in that order.
Watching Johnny Manziel reminds me of another recent SEC quarterback. Look at the stats below, tell me which on is JFB and who the other quarterback in comparison is.
Johnny Manziel is QB B in this comparison. Tim Tebow is QB A. Watching Maziel play is a lot like watching Tebow play, in my opinion. I don't think his game will work in the NFL. Just my 2 cents.
akvikingsfan wrote:Johnny Manziel is QB B in this comparison. Tim Tebow is QB A. Watching Maziel play is a lot like watching Tebow play, in my opinion. I don't think his game will work in the NFL. Just my 2 cents.
Their games are nowhere near similar. Not even remotely.
“Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it's much more serious than that.” --- Bill Shankly
. In a real game when Manziel gets chased he certainly does not look that smooth…but who knows. Basically, he has climbed up my board. If anything, at least Manziel showed he has the basic tool to be a good QB.
