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VikingPaul73 wrote: I see your point, but this is just 1 example with the benefit of hindsight. I'm sure you could go back and find examples of teams that had a franchise QB already on the roster, and passed on a top QB prospect in the first round.....and 5 years later the franchise QB was still going strong...meaning that the prospect would have warmed the bench for 5 years and been a wasted 1st round pick. That is probably a more common scenario than the Culpepper freak and horrible injury.
Where does the BPA approach end? If you have 1 AD on the roster do you draft a RB? What if you have 2 ADs? 3ADs? As Denny Green always said, you have to balance BPA with need.
I agree, it is purely 20/20 hindsight. There was no way to imagine that Culpepper was anything less than an all pro QB for years to come. The fan base would have been stunned and outraged (as if that matters) to take a first round pick, Rodgers, to insure the position of QB. As we all know from history DC was injured and was never the same. This is like saying we should have drafted Trent Richardson even though AP was young and the best running back in the game. How would have that worked out??
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A scenario where we took Aaron Rodgers would have been a little bit different than having Culpepper coming off a great season, and picking a just any old QB in the first round, simply because Rodgers was the consensus number 1 pick in the draft, the guy falling to where he did was simply ridiculous.

Im not saying I thought we should have taken him at the time, or anything, but if there was ever a time to take a 1st round player at a position we thought we had filled, it was then.
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Purpnation wrote:A scenario where we took Aaron Rodgers would have been a little bit different than having Culpepper coming off a great season, and picking a just any old QB in the first round, simply because Rodgers was the consensus number 1 pick in the draft, the guy falling to where he did was simply ridiculous.
If he was the consensus number one pick, he would have been selected #1. :)
Im not saying I thought we should have taken him at the time, or anything, but if there was ever a time to take a 1st round player at a position we thought we had filled, it was then.
Sure, and if the Vikings had known he was going to be good as good as he's been, they probably would have taken him. On the other hand, if he'd been drafted by the Vikings and played under Childress with Williamson, Taylor, Robinson, Wiggins, etc. as his receivers maybe he wouldn't have become the same QB he is now.

Rodgers is just an example anyway. In hindsight, it's easy to say the Vikings should have stayed true to a rigid "best player available" philosophy and drafted him but that's why hindsight is 20/20.
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Mothman wrote: Sure, and if the Vikings had known he was going to be good as good as he's been, they probably would have taken him. On the other hand, if he'd been drafted by the Vikings and played under Childress with Williamson, Taylor, Robinson, Wiggins, etc. as his receivers maybe he wouldn't have become the same QB he is now.
Aaron Rodgers getting along with Childress? Oh yeah, that would have been something to watch. :twisted:
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Slick Rick wrote:
This.

I think the Vikings saw a lot that they liked in Christian Ponder, and that's really all you can do. Even with his statistical shortcomings to date, it's hard not to see some of the good things that they must have saw, and led them to pick him at #12. He has a very quick release, great footwork, athleticism, basically everything that you'd like to see in a QB. I think the one thing that has really held him back is his nerves. He always seems to be on the run before he's making his read, whereas someone like Russell Wilson quickly makes a read and reacts to avoid the pressure and try to make a play.

Who knows, Ponder could make the leap, and we might all eat our words. He's in a new offensive scheme, he should have some new weapons, and his defense probably isn't going to give up 32 points per game.
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Purple bruise wrote: I agree, it is purely 20/20 hindsight. There was no way to imagine that Culpepper was anything less than an all pro QB for years to come. The fan base would have been stunned and outraged (as if that matters) to take a first round pick, Rodgers, to insure the position of QB. As we all know from history DC was injured and was never the same. This is like saying we should have drafted Trent Richardson even though AP was young and the best running back in the game. How would have that worked out??
In the draft where the Vikes passed on Rodgers, how did it work out with the guys they took?
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VikingLord wrote: In the draft where the Vikes passed on Rodgers, how did it work out with the guys they took?

Not well. I don't think anyone's suggesting the Vikings drafted well that year, they're just saying taking Rodgers was an extremely unlikely scenario at the time, and justifiably so.
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saint33 wrote:
Not well. I don't think anyone's suggesting the Vikings drafted well that year, they're just saying taking Rodgers was an extremely unlikely scenario at the time, and justifiably so.
Exactly to the point. It is very moot now but easy to regurgitate with 20/20 hindsight. Geez I wish they would have drafted Brady or Wilson, or Kaepernick, they would seem like geniuses.
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Purple bruise wrote:20/20 hindsight
20/20 hindsight. Blah blah blah. Say it again. It's so incredibly insightful.

Who knew Troy Williamson wasn't going to be a future Hall of Fame candidate? It would really have taken some of that 20/20 hindsight to sniff that one out.
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To sit and think about all the great Players the Vikings passed on will just give you nightmares, dan marino and warren Sapp just to name two. The list is Huge and saddening
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Eli wrote: 20/20 hindsight. Blah blah blah. Say it again. It's so incredibly insightful.

Who knew Troy Williamson wasn't going to be a future Hall of Fame candidate? It would really have taken some of that 20/20 hindsight to sniff that one out.
You know dude I have had it with your comments towards me. My 20/20 hindsight comments are directed to those who most often say we should have done this, we should have done that after the fact and that is to me 20/20 hindsight. If you don't like tough ##### , put me on your foe list and go on with your bad self griping and complaining about everything Viking related.
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Purple bruise wrote:You know dude I have had it with your comments towards me. My 20/20 hindsight comments are directed to those who most often say we should have done this, we should have done that after the fact and that is to me 20/20 hindsight. If you don't like tough ##### , put me on your foe list and go on with your bad self griping and complaining about everything Viking related.
And I've just about had it with your incessant whining about others on this board. If you don't like it, get the hell out of here and don't come back.
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I think it's rather clear you two are best off both using the foe option.
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S197 wrote:I think it's rather clear you two are best off both using the foe option.
I agree already done.
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I think the Vikings saw a lot that they liked in Christian Ponder, and that's really all you can do. Even with his statistical shortcomings to date, it's hard not to see some of the good things that they must have saw, and led them to pick him at #12. He has a very quick release, great footwork, athleticism, basically everything that you'd like to see in a QB. I think the one thing that has really held him back is his nerves. He always seems to be on the run before he's making his read, whereas someone like Russell Wilson quickly makes a read and reacts to avoid the pressure and try to make a play.
Horrible mechanics, footwork, and doesn't release the ball quickly...
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