4 former vikes get SB rings

[mmvikes]

and why did he force a trade? Something about not wanting to waste his time with the current QB, what was his name? Oh, yes Christian Ponder. And who was actually right in that exchange? Christian Ponder is 3 months from being officially replaced and Percy Harvin just won a SB with Russell Wilson. Hate him if you must, but he was 100% right.

You're right. He did rip on Ponder. But his #### was more about getting a new contract than anything else.

[Mothman]

You're right. He did rip on Ponder. But his #### was more about getting a new contract than anything else.

When did he ever rip on Ponder? I can't recall a single confirmed report or quote from Harvin that was openly critical of Ponder. Was that ever anything more than a rumor from Yahoo writer Jason Cole and some wish fulfillment for fans with deep-seated Ponder issues? Harvin denied it. Ponder said he had no issues in the other direction either. Maybe there were issues and they both just took the high road publicly but like you, I think the primary issue was Harvin's contract.

[Webbfann]

When did he ever rip on Ponder? I can't recall a single confirmed report or quote from Harvin that was openly critical of Ponder. Was that ever anything more than a rumor from Yahoo writer Jason Cole and some wish fulfillment for fans with deep-seated Ponder issues? Harvin denied it. Ponder said he had no issues in the other direction either. Maybe there were issues and they both just took the high road publicly but like you, I think the primary issue was Harvin's contract.

I think its as good as true. What I remember (and I'm sure my memory is not 100% perfect) is a play where PH went out and almost got his head ripped off for the hundredth time on yet another crappy, late screen pass from King Christian. Next thing I knew PH was flapping his jaw at Frazier's face on the sidelines, very upset. Next thing I knew PH was injured (or should I say "injured", lol) and rarely or never played in purple again.

Proof? No. But having seen the same thing happen over and over it was pretty obvious to me what PH was pissed off about.

[Mothman]

I think its as good as true. What I remember (and I'm sure my memory is not 100% perfect) is a play where PH went out and almost got his head ripped off for the hundredth time on yet another crappy, late screen pass from King Christian. Next thing I knew PH was flapping his jaw at Frazier's face on the sidelines, very upset. Next thing I knew PH was injured (or should I say "injured", lol) and rarely or never played in purple again.

Proof? No. But having seen the same thing happen over and over it was pretty obvious to me what PH was pissed off about.

What most fans seem to forget is that Harvin's angry outburst came on the play after that incomplete pass, when the Vikes blew a third down opportunity in scoring position and Ponder was sacked by an unblocked blitzer. The assumption by many at the time was that Harvin was angry at Ponder, and perhaps he was, but his reaction came after yet another unblocked defender blew up a play, not after the incomplete pass. So... was it wishful thinking from people who wanted to believe Harvin shared their anger at Ponder? Was Harvin actually frustrated because a block was missed and a play blown up, something that had been happening with alarming regularity for weeks at that point?

We'll never know but if Harvin was pissed about the incomplete pass (which wasn't going anywhere anyway since Seattle was ready to blow it up anyway) why didn't his reaction come after that play?

[Cliff]

What most fans seem to forget is that Harvin's angry outburst came on the play after that incomplete pass, when the Vikes blew a third down opportunity in scoring position and Ponder was sacked by an unblocked blitzer. The assumption by many at the time was that Harvin was angry at Ponder, and perhaps he was, but his reaction came after yet another unblocked defender blew up a play, not after the incomplete pass. So... was it wishful thinking from people who wanted to believe Harvin shared their anger at Ponder? Was Harvin actually frustrated because a block was missed and a play blown up, something that had been happening with alarming regularity for weeks at that point?

We'll never know but if Harvin was pissed about the incomplete pass (which wasn't going anywhere anyway since Seattle was ready to blow it up anyway) why didn't his reaction come after that play?

In addition I'm not sure how you could think Harvin was faking his injury. He spent practically this entire year on the bench with a team that he "wanted" to play for.

[Demi]

We'll never know but if Harvin was pissed about the incomplete pass (which wasn't going anywhere anyway since Seattle was ready to blow it up anyway) why didn't his reaction come after that play?

Because he had another play to run? Was he suppose to just leave the huddle?

[Webbfann]

Because he had another play to run? Was he suppose to just leave the huddle?

[Webbfann]

In addition I'm not sure how you could think Harvin was faking his injury. He spent practically this entire year on the bench with a team that he "wanted" to play for.

I dont think the "injury" as I prefer to call it was the same injury that kept him out as a Seahawk. IIRc it was an ankle vs hip.

Honestly I thought he faked it to save his hide, but I don't know that. I can't say I would have continued to stick my neck out for a guy like Ponder who perpetually set me up to get my bell rung, and a coach like Frazier who couldn't see it, so I don't hold it against PH.

[frosted]

I dont think the "injury" as I prefer to call it was the same injury that kept him out as a Seahawk. IIRc it was an ankle vs hip.

Honestly I thought he faked it to save his hide, but I don't know that. I can't say I would have continued to stick my neck out for a guy like Ponder who perpetually set me up to get my bell rung, and a coach like Frazier who couldn't see it, so I don't hold it against PH.

Have you ever played team sports? If so I don't know how can you justify Harvin faking an injury and quitting on his team(if thats what he really did)? Honestly, there is nothing worse than what you are suggesting and if you truly believe that (for the record, I don't), then I have no idea how you would still support Harvin as a fan of the Vikings and football in general.

He tore ligaments in his ankle. If the Vikings felt he was faking the injury, and I don't understand how you think they would not have known(medical staff just gonna take his word for it? An MRI was done)...he would have been suspended without pay, not placed on IR.

At the end of the day, if it ever was able to be proven that Harvin really did fake this or other injuries in his career..I would lose all respect for him. You don't quit on your team. Such a little #### move.

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[King James]

Have you ever played team sports? If so I don't know how can you justify Harvin faking an injury and quitting on his team(if thats what he really did)? Honestly, there is nothing worse than what you are suggesting and if you truly believe that (for the record, I don't), then I have no idea how you would still support Harvin as a fan of the Vikings and football in general.

He tore ligaments in his ankle. If the Vikings felt he was faking the injury, and I don't understand how you think they would not have known(medical staff just gonna take his word for it? An MRI was done)...he would have been suspended without pay, not placed on IR.

At the end of the day, if it ever was able to be proven that Harvin really did fake this or other injuries in his career..I would lose all respect for him. You don't quit on your team. Such a little #### move.

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This is the first time I've heard of the torn ligaments story. I thought they said he had an high ankle sprain or something. But I've heard some alleged reports that Harvin was actually cleared to play eventually but told Leslie Frazier that he wasn't going to play. Then the two supposedly got into it and decided to put him on IR.

But as you see in Seattle he tried everything in his power to get on the field. Whereas here he didn't give a damn about trying to get healthy enough to play another game. I don't know if those reports are 100% true but I don't think he really had a season ending injury. Frazier probably put him on IR because he felt like they were never going to be on the same page again. Why else was he so quick to ask for a trade after the offseason?

It's already known that he didn't like the direction the team was headed in and he didn't like Ponder as the QB. I think he prolonged his injury just to not wanna take a snap with Ponder again. I don't fault him for wanting a trade. But whining, quitting on the team, and DEMANDING for a trade. He has lost all my respect as a person.

[Funkytown]

Tell it, James! Tell it!

[Webbfann]

Have you ever played team sports? If so I don't know how can you justify Harvin faking an injury and quitting on his team(if thats what he really did)? Honestly, there is nothing worse than what you are suggesting and if you truly believe that (for the record, I don't), then I have no idea how you would still support Harvin as a fan of the Vikings and football in general.

He tore ligaments in his ankle. If the Vikings felt he was faking the injury, and I don't understand how you think they would not have known(medical staff just gonna take his word for it? An MRI was done)...he would have been suspended without pay, not placed on IR.

At the end of the day, if it ever was able to be proven that Harvin really did fake this or other injuries in his career..I would lose all respect for him. You don't quit on your team. Such a little #### move.

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Yes I played hockey from 5 until I was 20, and sporadically since until a few years ago. I often wonder if anyone on this board has played sports. Well except for the ones with obvious concussion symptoms. I don't know if Harvin was faking. I do know he was out there playing, no visible injury occurred, he was jawing at Frazier and then he was unable to play due to injury. I agree you don't quit on your team, but at a certain point self-preservation kicks in. You can't do your team any good if you are dead, and Harvin was repeatedly in a position to get injured due to Ponder's horrific, telegraphed late passes. The guy is only human and he was asked to be superhuman.

[King James]

Harvin was repeatedly in a position to get injured due to Ponder's horrific, telegraphed late passes.

This has to be the most ridiculous thing I've ever read. Actually ridiculous isn't the word for it but I want to be respectable. I agree that Harvin has gone threw body punishment, however Ponder is not the blame for Harvin being injury prone. Harvin was injury prone in college so it Tim Tebow's fault? What about this season? Harvin had hip injury and a concussion. Was it Russel Wilson's fault.

Ponder may not be that good of a QB but to blame him for Harvin's health issues is down right crazy. Many plays Ponder has thrown to Harvin was dink and dunk passes that Harvin would turn into big games. The play he got injured on last year was a designed running play. Ponder has nothing to do with him getting hurt because if that was the case, other WRs would be getting injured too. Hell Ponder can't even throw well when the WR is covered that's how I know you're wrong.

[Webbfann]

This has to be the most ridiculous thing I've ever read. Actually ridiculous isn't the word for it but I want to be respectable. I agree that Harvin has gone threw body punishment, however Ponder is not the blame for Harvin being injury prone. Harvin was injury prone in college so it Tim Tebow's fault? What about this season? Harvin had hip injury and a concussion. Was it Russel Wilson's fault.

Ponder may not be that good of a QB but to blame him for Harvin's health issues is down right crazy. Many plays Ponder has thrown to Harvin was dink and dunk passes that Harvin would turn into big games. The play he got injured on last year was a designed running play. Ponder has nothing to do with him getting hurt because if that was the case, other WRs would be getting injured too. Hell Ponder can't even throw well when the WR is covered that's how I know you're wrong.

I didn't say Harvin's proneness to injury was caused by Ponder. That was a pre-existing condition. I said Ponder put him in a position that increased his risk of injury due to late, telegraphed throws with defenders locked in on him. Harvin would be open for a long time before the ball got to him. When it finally came defenders had a bead on him. Time after time after time. Because he's PH he was still able to escape most of them. But it absolutely increased his already high chances of injury.

[dead_poet]

I said Ponder put him in a position that increased his risk of injury due to late, telegraphed throws with defenders locked in on him.

There were designed throws to Harvin. If you blame someone for that, blame Musgrave. Of course, I don't know how you blame a guy wanting to get the ball to one of the best offensive weapons in the NFL, but whatever.

Harvin would be open for a long time before the ball got to him. When it finally came defenders had a bead on him.

Poppycock. Defenders always had a bead on him. Just like they always do on every great player. I don't recall a lot of plays where Harvin was standing around waiting for the ball and then got lit up. And often the nature of the play (like a bubble screen) there's a few seconds that need to pass for the play to develop (as opposed to Ponder being late).

Time after time after time. Because he's PH he was still able to escape most of them. But it absolutely increased his already high chances of injury.

Yeah, I don't buy it that Ponder had anything to do with Harvin's injury history. Harvin's playing style has a lot more to do with it.