Do you feel Norv Turner is an upgrade over Bill Musgrave?

[John_Viveiros]

Easiest f'n poll question ever, I'll say. Maybe we should have a poll to see if you all agree with me.

[dkoby]

did it ever occur to you that Musgrave and Ponder could BOTH be the problem? I don't understand the debate of having to pick one or the other.

The more you read that the funnier it is. LOL

[dead_poet]

It'll be interesting how the line performs under Turner's "power" scheme. A bit of a transition. Should be plus for guys like Loadholt and Fusco, though I can't help but wonder if it won't necessarily be all that great for Kalil/Sullivan. I also wonder if it affects AD at all (probably not). Granted, I don't know a lot about the nuances of "power" vs "zone" blocking.

[Crax]

Next poll:

Would you rather be given an ice cream cake or be shot in the face?

What kind of ice cream?

[thatguy]

Bill, Brian, or Ted Musgrave wasn't the reason the Vikings had the worst passing defense in the league. I really didn't care for his offensive scheme, preferring a more vertical game, but his hands were tied with Ponder not being of strong arm.

Even Ponder could've thrown for first downs on those 3rd-and-15 situations where Musgrave would have TEs running short, four yard outs. It was a bad scheme regardless of who was at QB...he tied his own hands.

[thatguy]

Next poll:

Would you rather be given an ice cream cake or be shot in the face?

[PurpleMustReign]

Next poll:

Would you rather be given an ice cream cake or be shot in the face?

What kind of gun is being used?

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[dkoby]

that's why this draft might be the final piece of the puzzle so to speak. I believe our roster is as talented as any, but the coaching/QB issues were very apparent in 2013. I think our coaching issues were completely addressed, and all that's left is that QB. If we can end up with Manziel, Bridgewater, or Bortles, I think we are well on our way for years.

Dude, what about the other side of the ball? We have 1 good safety, a sophmore promising corner, ! decent proven linebacker and a suspect D line. No one really knows what the linebackers will play like yet. And we have major issues on the D line.
We might find maybe 3 to 4 pieces to our puzzle if we are lucky through the draft. But they will be rookies.

I like your enthusiasm though.

[PacificNorseWest]

^Agree with this. I think the change to Norv will make a drastic change for this offense. It will definitely open things up. Cassel can move the ball. It's why I'm so against rushing to get a QB at 8 just to get one. I'd feel more comfortable grabbing someone on the defensive side because it has so many more holes.

[frosted]

^Agree with this. I think the change to Norv will make a drastic change for this offense. It will definitely open things up. Cassel can move the ball. It's why I'm so against rushing to get a QB at 8 just to get one. I'd feel more comfortable grabbing someone on the defensive side because it has so many more holes.

Couldn't have said it better.

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[HardcoreVikesFan]

Finally, Musgrave's grave has been dug in Minnesota (nothing morbid, it is just a 'creative' analogy).


I am excited to see what Norv can do with guys like Jennings, Rudolph, Peterson, and Patterson. Hell, get a QB and we could see a great offense here - one that would rival the early 2000s except we would actually have a ground game.

[dead_poet]

Eagles hired ex-Vikings OC Bill Musgrave as quarterbacks coach.

It's Mugrave's second stint with the Eagles; he was an offensive assistant in 1998. Most recently, Musgrave, 46, oversaw one of the least imaginative offenses in the league in Minnesota from 2011-2013. He struggled mightily to find ways to use Percy Harvin and took an absurd amount of time to get rookie Cordarrelle Patterson involved this past season. Musgrave replaces Bill Lazor as Philadelphia's quarterbacks coach. Lazor left to take the Dolphins' OC job.
Source: Alex Marvez on Twitter

[Mothman]

Eagles hired ex-Vikings OC Bill Musgrave as quarterbacks coach.

It's Mugrave's second stint with the Eagles; he was an offensive assistant in 1998. Most recently, Musgrave, 46, oversaw one of the least imaginative offenses in the league in Minnesota from 2011-2013. He struggled mightily to find ways to use Percy Harvin and took an absurd amount of time to get rookie Cordarrelle Patterson involved this past season. Musgrave replaces Bill Lazor as Philadelphia's quarterbacks coach. Lazor left to take the Dolphins' OC job.
Source: Alex Marvez on Twitter

I'm no Musgrave fan but that line about Harvin isn't accurate at all. If Musgrave struggled so mightily to find ways to use Harvin, why did Harvin catch passes at basically every level of the defense? If I recall correctly, he actually led the league in receptions for a good portion of 2012 before he was injured and not only gained significant yardage when he lined up in the backfield, but scored from that position. Short of playing QB, what didn't Musgrave ask Harvin to do?

The most productive stretch of Harvin's pro career came during his time in Musgrave's offense.

[dead_poet]

I'm no Musgrave fan but that line about Harvin isn't accurate at all. If Musgrave struggled so mightily to find ways to use Harvin, why did Harvin catch passes at basically every level of the defense? If I recall correctly, he actually led the league in receptions for a good portion of 2012 before he was injured and not only gained significant yardage when he lined up in the backfield, but scored from that position. Short of playing QB, what didn't Musgrave ask Harvin to do?

The most productive stretch of Harvin's pro career came during his time in Musgrave's offense.

I think it refers to the time where Harvin was only on the field (when healthy) somewhere in the neighborhood of 70-75% of the offensive plays, which really didn't make much sense. To your point, it got better the next year (though I'm fuzzy when the ruckus of Harvin's usage took place. 2010?).

[Mothman]

I think it refers to the time where Harvin was only on the field (when healthy) somewhere in the neighborhood of 70-75% of the offensive plays, which really didn't make much sense. To your point, it got better the next year (though I'm fuzzy when the ruckus of Harvin's usage took place. 2010?).

The ruckus was in 2011.

Ultimately, I think Harvin managed to justify the coaching staff's reasoning in not suing him more extensively. He breaks down. He's an amazing talent but his body doesn't seem capable of sustaining the highly physical style of play he prefers for 16 games of extensive use.