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Jackal, I'm assuming you're not saying that Meachem is as talented as Johnson, but I'll issue a rebuttal anyways...jackal wrote: There is a fairly deep group of wide outs this year
Meachum (his stats are almost as good as Calvin's)
Why?GinnJR (I dont like this guy at all hope we dont get him)
Since you were hoping against hope that CJ would fall and even by your own admission thats not gonna happen, he was giving you alterantives. I dont think anyone including Jackal would RATHER have anyone other than CJ. I think if we could trade down, pick up some other picks and get Meachem, well that would be a good day!ls1ta wrote: Jackal, I'm assuming you're not saying that Meachem is as talented as Johnson, but I'll issue a rebuttal anyways...
Meachem only started one season, CJ dominated for three. CJ also faced constant double and triple teams and perhaps his most fearce competition... Reggie Ball!
Why?
Agreed. I'd be happy if we traded down, grabbed Meachem and a some other picks. Same goes for Ginn. Executing that deal and having that player still be on the board can be difficult, however.VikingMachine wrote:I think if we could trade down, pick up some other picks and get Meachem, well that would be a good day!
FWIW, Devin Hester had more TDs than any Vikes receiver last season.FWIW I dont care much for Ginn either. I am just going by what the "experts" say and that is pretty much hes a big ? as to if he will make the grade as a #1 or #2 guy. I dont think you draft a return specialist with your first round pick.
Obviously I would take Calvin Johnson first of any of them.Jackal, I'm assuming you're not saying that Meachem is as talented as Johnson, but I'll issue a rebuttal anyways...
Meachem only started one season, CJ dominated for three. CJ also faced constant double and triple teams and perhaps his most fearce competition... Reggie Ball!
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GinnJR (I dont like this guy at all hope we dont get him)
Why?
Well unfortuantely theres alot more than just catching the ball to being a good NFL reciever.I don't believe that Ginn is just a return specialist. He seems like a pretty good fit for the Vikes, IMO. After watching our offense last season, we could really use a guy that can take a screen pass or a quick slant and beat everybody (YAC, YAC, YAC, don't talk back). It was also apparent to me that a sprinter speed WR with just average hands/body control could have success on deep balls. T-Will was able to get open multiple times for potential TDs, but was unable to adjust/catch the football. If you watch footage of Ginn, he is able to make those over the shoulder catches that Troy simply cannot.
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scouti ... innjr.htmlWill struggle to beat the jam, avoids contact and isn't very physical...Needs to get stronger...Still very raw and will need to work on mastering the nuances of the position...He's not a great route runner...Is not overly elusive and makes people miss with his speed rather than moves...Isn't much of a blocker...Has too many drops...Not a true #1 target.
Ted was injured!jackal wrote:Ted GinnJR look to a guy that was waiting for his payday and nothing else at the combine. Calvin Johnson did more at the combine than
he did. I have never liked players that wont work at the combine.
Most of these guys are overrated and they know it. Most of the guys
I have had a good feeling about have turned out to be solid players
in the NFL.
He didn't not run at the combine because he's all about money. He got hurt after he took back the opening kickoff in the BCS Championship game.Combine-shmombine. It's a useful TOOL, but don't overvalue it. There are a LOT of guys who do poorly in Indy, but turn out to be great pros.If you want the list of the players that really impressed me at the combine this year look at my posts in the college draft board
you can rip me next year if they dont work out.
If it were up to me I would take
Greg Olson TE Miami
Joe Staley OT Central Michigan
Aundre Allison WR East Carolina
Manuel Ramirez G texas Tech if available
IMO these would help our team a lot of course I would have
already picked up more talent in free agency as well.
Indeed. But if you can't catch the ball and you're not fluid in your adjustments to the ball in the air, you're going to struggle. They don't call it a RECEIVER for nothing!VikingMachine wrote: Well unfortuantely theres alot more than just catching the ball to being a good NFL reciever.
Well, I don't think Ted is just going to stand at the LOS and get jammed until the QB gets sacked. It also seems like a common weakness for young WR prospects.Here are some of the concerns with Ginn:
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scouti ... innjr.html
This pretty much sums up most scouting report concerns on Ginn. Hard to use the speed when you cannot get off the line. He doesnt run great routes and isnt elusive and can drop the ball....sounds like the transition to the NFL might be a real challenge.
Looks like Meachem may also have a difficult transition to the NFL. Heck, even if Ginn can't get off the line, they can still run screens and reverses for him!NFLDraftCountdown wrote:Robert Meachem's Weaknesses:
Not a great route runner...Drops some balls due to a lack of concentration...Not a great blocker...Does not get off the line well versus the jam...Is not very tough or physical...Will not work across the middle much...Needs some technique work and still has to master the nuances of his craft...Has some minor durability concerns.
NFLDraftCountdown wrote:Ted Ginn's Strengths:
Has world-class speed...A phenomenal natural athlete...Is extremely quick with a tremendous burst...A playmaker who is a threat to take it the distance every time he touches the ball...A dangerous weapon on reverses and screens...A terror to cover on vertical routes...Height is adequate...Shows pretty good hands when he focuses...Still has a lot of upside...A premier prospect as a kick and punt returner.
NFLDraftCountdown wrote:Robert Meachem's Strengths:
Has terrific timed speed and quickness with a burst...Excellent size and he knows how to use it...Has a pretty solid build and the frame to bulk up further...Has long arms...Elusive and runs well after the catch...Shows some power and he'll break tackles...Has big hands and will snatch the ball out of the air...A big play threat in the vertical passing game...Coming off his best season and still has some upside.
I hope it doesn't affect our top draft pick. We could go for a guy like Buster Davis in a later round who could be a good WR and kick returner.LA Viking wrote:Do we have a KR as of now? Are they planning on using Wade? Or going back to Williamson now that Bethel is gone? Or are we just hoping one of our draft picks can do it? If that's the case, do you think that will have an affect on our top draft pick? Or just let it be an afterthought, and determine it in camp?
Florida State's MLB plays WR and returns kicks?!?!S197 wrote:We could go for a guy like Buster Davis in a later round who could be a good WR and kick returner.
He ran a 4.41 at his pro day.I know you're talking about Craig "Buster" Davis the WR from LSU. I wouldn't mind him in the 3rdish round. I don't think he timed that great in the 40 (4.5 I think) and when I watched LSU, he didn't seem like anything special as a returner. However, it seems as though he is oozing with potential.
WeaknessesVery athletic and still has a lot of upside...Has good size and a solid build...Timed speed is excellent and he has a burst...Hands are extremely reliable...Adjusts well to poorly thrown balls...Elusive and runs well after the catch...Big play threat who can hurt defenses vertically...Holds his own as a blocker...Also a top return man.
Summary:Durability is a concern...Shys away from contact and will not sell out to make the catch...Needs to improve as a route runner...Was not overly productive and didn't always play up to his ability in college...He is still somewhat raw and unpolished.
Real name is Craig but he goes by "Buster"...Played on a very talented team and was overshadowed by Dwayne Bowe at times...Has all the tools you look for in a wideout and could really blossom at the next level if given more of an opportunity.
