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I actually thought Denver got a good spot. And I don't know that there will be a good enough view to change it.

And Payton Manning continues to be the greatest "regular season" quarterback. Post-season? Eh, not so much.

Well I stand corrected on my prediction a few minutes ago, but what a win for Indy.

This will fuel the fire for those (including myself) who think that Peyton had a tendency to choke in the postseason. He was never the same QB except for the year they won the Super Bowl. For all of his records, and all of his success inteh regular season, he never had any real success in the postseason.

In the "Which Manning would you want on your team" question, I would go with Eli, and it isn't even close. And this is something I have been saying for years, since the Giant's second Super Bowl victory over New England a few years ago.

Kansas Viking wrote:And Payton Manning continues to be the greatest "regular season" quarterback. Post-season? Eh, not so much.

I just posted the same thing. He really seems to have much more issues in the Post Season thn in the Regular Season.

PurpleMustReign wrote: I just posted the same thing. He really seems to have much more issues in the Post Season thn in the Regular Season.

I'm just loving it today. Both the Cowboys and the Donkeys go down on the same day.

what a bad game that was.

Manning is finis IMO...wow the guy just can't hit downfield.


I still think Dez made the catch in the earlier game. He got robbed IMO......ce la vie. It was an incredibly dumb play call IMO. 4th and a couple with the season on the line and the leagues top runner and you go 30yds downfield into a jumpball situation?
Maybe before the half or somewhere when you know you will get the ball back.....but at the end of the game? jeesh! Hahah Dallas!

And I like the.... Seahawks they have a #### defense and a coach who thinks outside the box.

Kansas Viking wrote:And Payton Manning continues to be the greatest "regular season" quarterback. Post-season? Eh, not so much.

Yeah on Sports Center it just said he's been 1 and done 9 times now, which is the most in the Super Bowl era. For reference, Denny Green was 1 and done only 4 times xD. And then he was 2 and done 4 consecutive times (1997-2000).

The Breeze wrote:what a bad game that was.

Manning is finis IMO...wow the guy just can't hit downfield.


I still think Dez made the catch in the earlier game. He got robbed IMO......ce la vie. It was an incredibly dumb play call IMO. 4th and a couple with the season on the line and the leagues top runner and you go 30yds downfield into a jumpball situation?
Maybe before the half or somewhere when you know you will get the ball back.....but at the end of the game? jeesh! Hahah Dallas!

And I like the.... Seahawks they have a #### defense and a coach who thinks outside the box.

While I think it was an incomplete catch, you are definitely right to question that decision, and I concur, what the HELL were they thinking? They almost had it sure, but almost doesn't cut it.

Peyton is so bad in the playoffs, so bad..

No way he is the best to ever to live though, get out of here.

TSonn wrote: Going off what Mike Carey was saying it sounded like a punt returner needed to establish possession in order for the ball to not be a fumble. Carey also said that the returner needed to make a football move in order to prove the possession. That sounds familiar.
Maybe the rules are different but I would hope that a 'football move' would be consistent regardless if it is a punt return or a catch.
In this case, the football move was touching the ball and getting slammed to the ground by the defense while taking no steps apparently.

Edit: it may not mean much because of the hatred that Skip Bayless gets but he tweeted about this inconsistency, too.

The whole football move thing is muddying up a simple truth in the Bryant case, the league has already stated, the ball touching the ground was to soon after the ball was caught to be considered in his possession, therefore it is an incomplete pass because the ball hit the ground before the process of the catch was completed.


I don't recall the Colts returned play, but I'm sure there wasn't any possibility it being an incomplete pass meaning that the same rules wouldn't be exactly applicable. My memories kind of fuzzy but I remember thinking that was the right call, I'll have to catch the rewind.

The thing about the Dez no catch though, is it's not clear the ball actually hit the ground. And if that's the case, it's a TD because he caught it in the EZ after it popped up, and he never went OB. And no you can't just assume it hit the ground because the ball was resting on his forearm and he had control at the time. Play on the field should have stood based on inconclusive evidence, if not changed to a TD. More of that Packers home field cooking.

Reignman wrote:The thing about the Dez no catch though, is it's not clear the ball actually hit the ground. And if that's the case, it's a TD because he caught it in the EZ after it popped up, and he never went OB. And no you can't just assume it hit the ground because the ball was resting on his forearm and he had control at the time. Play on the field should have stood based on inconclusive evidence, if not changed to a TD. More of that Packers home field cooking.

LOL. No, sorry. You are wrong. But that's ok. Hopefully this discussion goes away sometime soon.

I don't know how many are following this thread....but another thing from the late game that finally caught my attention:

Why does the NFL give teams who are in a goal to go situation an automatic first down on defensive holding? There is no possible way for the offensive team to earn a 1st down in that situation yet they can be given a whole new set of downs when it seems more fair to go half the distance and replay the down.

Same with PI down there.

Just seems out of whack.

Purpnation wrote:
The whole football move thing is muddying up a simple truth in the Bryant case, the league has already stated, the ball touching the ground was to soon after the ball was caught to be considered in his possession, therefore it is an incomplete pass because the ball hit the ground before the process of the catch was completed.


I don't recall the Colts returned play, but I'm sure there wasn't any possibility it being an incomplete pass meaning that the same rules wouldn't be exactly applicable. My memories kind of fuzzy but I remember thinking that was the right call, I'll have to catch the rewind.

Haha yeah I get that the punt return can't be an incomplete pass. I understand that the league is saying that Bryant didn't complete the catch. I guess the issue is:

- The punt returner (Cribbs) had to make a football move in order for the play to not be a fumble. The play was ruled a fumble, went to replay, and determined no fumble, therefore he made a football move.
- Bryant had to make a football move in order for the play to not be incomplete. The play was ruled a catch, went to replay, and determined no catch and no football move was made.

The problem is that Cribbs made way less of a football move than Bryant did. Cribbs barely touched it and got hit to the ground while the ball was constantly moving. Cribbs wasn't even able to take one step. Bryant was able to take multiple steps and switch the football into his other arm. So this difference in definition of a 'football move' is inconsistent and a problem.

Reignman wrote:The thing about the Dez no catch though, is it's not clear the ball actually hit the ground. And if that's the case, it's a TD because he caught it in the EZ after it popped up, and he never went OB. And no you can't just assume it hit the ground because the ball was resting on his forearm and he had control at the time. Play on the field should have stood based on inconclusive evidence, if not changed to a TD. More of that Packers home field cooking.

Bruh, I watched it on replay a million times, the ball very clearly hit the ground.. Clearly. I advise you to rewatch.

It wasn't resting on his forearm, it hit the ground and bounced. It wasn't a TD after he caught it because it hit the ground before he completed the catch, therefore play was over.