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Mac Jones being moved to Jacksonville, being reported this morning.

That's gotta lock NE into a qb pick, right?

VikingLord wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:06 am

cogitator wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2024 9:19 pm

I don't think finding a prospect who is drafted in later rounds and then becomes a good starter is a good test, since it happens so infrequently, not much of a sample size. (I know - Brock Purdy, Kirk Cousins, Brady, Russell Wilson, but that's spread out over 20 years). As I said above, he did like Lamar Jackson best, and he was the fifth qb selected that year, after Darnold, Allen, Mayfield, Rosen, so a good call there.

I guess what I'm saying with my initial question is a truly good QB evaluator should be able to find those gems in a draft versus the average evaluator who is more or less guessing.

To flip that on it's head, what did Simms have to say about Zac Wilson coming out? Or Justin Fields? Or, for that matter, Mac Jones or Daniel Jones? Did he conversely like any of those guys?

He's had hits and misses like anybody else, but he seems to be better than everybody else. He had Mond his 4th best QB of that draft class. He had Lamar Jackson ahead of Sam Darnold.

VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2024 10:20 am

Angels Wings wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 10:09 pm

Agreed on Penix bandwagon , but he probably goes earlier than our 2nd round pick. It would be a mistake to reach and take him at 12 though. If he falls to 42, then I'm guessing that the durability comes into question.

We don't have the 12th pick, but I've seen this time and time again where people think we do. I wonder if there's an explanation for that.

You're right, it's 11th and not 12th. Broncos have the 12th pick

With signing 3 defenders today I think that makes it very likely we trade up in the draft. I sure hope we don't. Nobody worth trading up for except Williams and Daniels and they will go 1-2.

3. JAYDEN DANIELS, QB, LSU (TRADE. MIN 2024 1ST, 2ND. 2025 1ST, 2ND)

108. TRADE (BUF 128, 248. 2025 5TH RD)

128. MCkinnley Jackson, DT, TEXAS A&M

129. TRADE (TB 150, 168, 246)

150. TRADE (CLE 156, 206)

156. ZAK ZINTER, OG, MICHIGAN

157. BEAUX LIMMER, OC, ARKANSAS

167. GABE HALL, DT, BAYLOR

168. ELIJAH JONES, CB, BOSTON COLLEGE

177. TOMMY EICHENBERG, LB, OHIO STATE

188. TANNER MCLACHLAN, TE, ARIZONA

206. SATAOA LAUMEA, OG, UTAH

230. DOMINIQUE HAMPTON, S, WASHINGTON

246. JORDAN MAGEE, LB, TEMPLE

248. JAYLEN KEY, S, ALABAMA

If our guy slips to 3, a JJ and #11 might start a conversation with the Pats? Maybe they remember how good Randy was for them and look for QB elsewhere? The NFL is bananas right now!

Edit: unless JJ buys into us and whoever we pick at 11 (Mccarthy?)

cmoss84 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 12:13 pm If our guy slips to 3, a JJ and #11 might start a conversation with the Pats? Maybe they remember how good Randy was for them and look for QB elsewhere? The NFL is bananas right now!

Edit: unless JJ buys into us and whoever we pick at 11 (Mccarthy?)

11 is really high for McCarthy IMHO, but I've seen a few mocks that have him supplanting Maye/Daniels now as the 3rd QB in this year's draft. QB prospect inflation is a real thing...

I really would not have an issue with KAM trading back to between 20-25 and picking up some DB/DL/OL talent and then, if the chips fall right, maybe taking a guy like Penix in the 2nd who is probably going to fall a bit due to his injury history.

VikingLord wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 3:04 pm

cmoss84 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 12:13 pm If our guy slips to 3, a JJ and #11 might start a conversation with the Pats? Maybe they remember how good Randy was for them and look for QB elsewhere? The NFL is bananas right now!

Edit: unless JJ buys into us and whoever we pick at 11 (Mccarthy?)

11 is really high for McCarthy IMHO, but I've seen a few mocks that have him supplanting Maye/Daniels now as the 3rd QB in this year's draft. QB prospect inflation is a real thing...

I really would not have an issue with KAM trading back to between 20-25 and picking up some DB/DL/OL talent and then, if the chips fall right, maybe taking a guy like Penix in the 2nd who is probably going to fall a bit due to his injury history.

The OT Fuaga that I talked about before is getting pushed up a lot of boards now. This year is string at OT, CB, and WR. I'd like to see them take Fuaga at 11 and play him at guard in year one or move back a bit and take Barton or Jackson Powers Johnson. I think they're going to trade up for or reach for a QB though.

fiestavike wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 10:53 am 3. JAYDEN DANIELS, QB, LSU (TRADE. MIN 2024 1ST, 2ND. 2025 1ST, 2ND)

108. TRADE (BUF 128, 248. 2025 5TH RD)

128. MCkinnley Jackson, DT, TEXAS A&M

129. TRADE (TB 150, 168, 246)

150. TRADE (CLE 156, 206)

156. ZAK ZINTER, OG, MICHIGAN

157. BEAUX LIMMER, OC, ARKANSAS

167. GABE HALL, DT, BAYLOR

168. ELIJAH JONES, CB, BOSTON COLLEGE

177. TOMMY EICHENBERG, LB, OHIO STATE

188. TANNER MCLACHLAN, TE, ARIZONA

206. SATAOA LAUMEA, OG, UTAH

230. DOMINIQUE HAMPTON, S, WASHINGTON

246. JORDAN MAGEE, LB, TEMPLE

248. JAYLEN KEY, S, ALABAMA

I give Daniel's falling to 3 no more than a 5% chance.

Maelstrom88 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 10:34 pm

VikingLord wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 3:04 pm

11 is really high for McCarthy IMHO, but I've seen a few mocks that have him supplanting Maye/Daniels now as the 3rd QB in this year's draft. QB prospect inflation is a real thing...

I really would not have an issue with KAM trading back to between 20-25 and picking up some DB/DL/OL talent and then, if the chips fall right, maybe taking a guy like Penix in the 2nd who is probably going to fall a bit due to his injury history.

The OT Fuaga that I talked about before is getting pushed up a lot of boards now. This year is string at OT, CB, and WR. I'd like to see them take Fuaga at 11 and play him at guard in year one or move back a bit and take Barton or Jackson Powers Johnson. I think they're going to trade up for or reach for a QB though.

We're going to trade pick 11 and our next 2 FRPs to move up to 5. We will then draft a QB we could have waited for and picked at 11.

I am starting to get the feeling Chi trades #1 for another boatload haul. Then they have a solid team and decide on QB after 1 more audition from Fields.

Maelstrom88 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 10:34 pm

VikingLord wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 3:04 pm

11 is really high for McCarthy IMHO, but I've seen a few mocks that have him supplanting Maye/Daniels now as the 3rd QB in this year's draft. QB prospect inflation is a real thing...

I really would not have an issue with KAM trading back to between 20-25 and picking up some DB/DL/OL talent and then, if the chips fall right, maybe taking a guy like Penix in the 2nd who is probably going to fall a bit due to his injury history.

The OT Fuaga that I talked about before is getting pushed up a lot of boards now. This year is string at OT, CB, and WR. I'd like to see them take Fuaga at 11 and play him at guard in year one or move back a bit and take Barton or Jackson Powers Johnson. I think they're going to trade up for or reach for a QB though.

I like the player but not the position he plays at #11 given the relative needs on the team and the group of players likely to be on the board there.

JPJ in the 20-25 range makes a lot of sense to me.

I really think KAM can sit tight and take a good QB prospect with the current 2nd rounder the Vikings have. That would be a good spot to take a guy like Penix or Nix, both of whom could evolve into Cousins-like starters or even better IMHO.

McCarthy going 4 to the giants, broncos or Vikes.

Pep2Moss wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 8:03 am McCarthy going 4 to the giants, broncos or Vikes.

If the Vikings trade up to 4 to get McCarthy they either know something about him that isn't generally known that would justify that type of move up or KAM is a charlatan of a GM and he's every bit as desperate and dumb as Spielman was when he over-drafted Ponder.

A team takes a rookie QB with the 4th pick in a given draft, trading away significant valuable future draft capital to do so, that QB better be starting and making an impact on Day One. There is no way JJ McCarthy would be ready to start, much less make that impact, on Day One of the upcoming season even if he does everything perfectly the rest of this offseason IMHO.

Let the Giants or Broncos take that swing.

Pep2Moss wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 8:03 am McCarthy going 4 to the giants, broncos or Vikes.

I don't think so.