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Pondering Her Percy wrote: Wed Feb 03, 2021 1:05 pm
StumpHunter wrote: Wed Feb 03, 2021 12:24 pm

Prior to 2020 Rick had never lost multiple starters to FAs and cut multiple starters to save cap space either.

What changed I wonder?

It is all about the cap space and when they Vikings have had it they have spent it. 2017 they had cap and spent it on 3 new starters in Remmers, Rieff and Murray.

2018 they had cap and they spent it on Richardson and Cousins.

2019 they had very little cap and what they did have they spent on Barr and giving a mediocre TE a raise.

2020 they were in the red and cut a bunch of players and didn't extend others.
lol are you really going to play that game dude? I really have to explain all that again?

Let me do it with a series of questions and please answer each....

1.) Would you continue to pay Xavier Rhodes big money with how he was playing last year?

2.) Would you have given Trae Waynes $42 million and make him the leagues 7th highest paid corner?

3.) Would you have continued to pay Linval Joseph big money given he was entering the back half of his career and PASS on signing Michael Pierce instead (which of course you failed to mention to make your argument look better than it actually was)?

4.) Would you have re-signed Mac Alexander when he wanted nothing to do with you given you played him in a meaningless week 17 game which then got him hurt?

5.) Would you have agreed to pay Everson Griffen $13.9 million so he didnt opt out of his contract given he's entering the back end of his career?

6.) Would you have passed on Buffalo's trade offer for Stefon Diggs given he also didnt want to be here?

I'll be very interested to hear your answers :popcorn:


And on a side note: Did you notice that question numbers 1, 4, possibly even 5 and 6 were all largely due to who our coach is? In terms of Xavier Rhodes being a dumpster fire to all of the sudden being a top CB in the league in Indy. Or that Mack was ticked off at Zimmer and took a bag of peanuts from the Bengals just so he was out of here. Or that Diggs wanted out because he was completely unaware and blindsided that they were shifting to a run heavy based scheme (and because he wasnt "the guy")?? Just curious because you've been quite the coaches advocate as of late.
Again, you are totally missing the fact that NFL cap management is not a single year thing.
1) I personally would have pushed him to restructure, and said so prior to the off season.

2) The Vikings wouldn't have had to give that much up if they had been able to extend him prior to the 2019 season. Something they would have done if they had the cap to do it in 2020.

3) I liked the Pierce signing at the time, less now that he has sat out for as long as he has. I would have done what Rick did.

4) He would not have been upset with the Vikings if he had gotten an extension prior to 2019. Something that would have happened if they had had the cap in 2020 make that kind of commitment.

5) I would have worked out a restructure with Griffen and he would have been forced to listen to my offer because he wouldn't have been given the player option in 2019.

6) Diggs wouldn't have demanded a trade a few hours after Cousins was extended, because I wouldn't have signed Cousins in the first place. So yeah, he would still be a Viking if Cousins wasn't around.

7) Harris would have been cheaper in 2020 and would still be a Viking in 2021 when the Vikings extended him in 2019.

84 million less in cap over 3 years matters. Just like having a huge 45 million cap hit in 2022 looming over our heads matters. Just like having 17% of the cap locked up in a 0 impact QB matters in 2021.
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Pondering Her Percy wrote: Wed Feb 03, 2021 12:05 pm
YikesVikes wrote: Tue Feb 02, 2021 8:31 pm

Kirk is also given the luxury of throwing to AT, JJ and Cook. His WR castoff also just led the league in receiving yards and receptions (I think). I am not sure that Watson's stats would be similar if playing with our cornucopia of weapons.
Sure, AT, JJ and Cook are elite. Does it help him? Sure what QB wouldnt it help? What is he suppose to do? Not throw to them? No less you want to talk about pis# poor weapons? Cousins "weapons" in 2017 were Jamison Crowder, Josh Doctson, Terrelle Pryor, Chris Thompson and Semaje Perine. And he still threw for over 4,000 yards and 27 TDs.
Things you raised that had nothing to do with my statement:

1. Does having elite talent help a QB
2. Is Kirk not suppose to use that elite talent
3. Kirk has piss poor weapons in Wash for 1 year
4. Did I know who his weapons were in 2017
5. Kirk threw for a high number of yards and tds in 2017.

That year was also his worst Td-int ratio, Lowest completion ratio, lowest QB rating, in the last 6 years. None of this has anything to do with what my original statement was about. The fact is Kirk has a great lineup and I wager most people would expect Watson to outperform him if given the same weapons. That was the point and you can dispute that if you want.
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If we can't get a great trade package in dealing Cousins ,maybe we should do what I think might be the best solution, spend as much as we can afford on rebuilding the interior of our offensive line.
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Interesting thread, interesting emotions.

I'm into woodworking quite a bit, and this thread reminds me of the classic question "hey, is that tool any good?" Over the years I have found the invariably accurate answer is, "depends on who you are and what you're up to".

For several reasons, I have watched a LOT of Watson. I mean a LOT. From college through pros. He's a great QB. When you factor in everything, especially age, he's a far better option than Cousins, with very slight hesitation on future salary. But there are certainly stats that say "right now" they are not all that dissimilar.

Watson is not Rodgers. Or Mahomes. Watson does have his faults. As does Cousins of course.

I think both sets of QB shortcomings could be (Watson more so) corrected with good coaching (hear that sound? It's the air coming out of the balloon). Yeah, exactly.

To SOME degree, and not to imply it's folly to go after Watson, but to some degree I don't think our current coaching staff can help him improve. And honestly with no current OC and an offensive staff shuffling into new spots, I'm goosey about our staff even being able to help him maintain his current level. The odds of everyone in a new position on our staff being good at what they do will be slim. It's one of the reasons I'd be goosey about us making a "major move in the draft to acquire a top QB". We simply don't have a good enough staff to take advantage of a young player like that, IMO.

There is a market for Cousins no matter what some folks think. Trading him simultaneously adds another NFW wrinkle to this whole prospect of acquiring Watson, whether it's HOU trying to shoehorn him in or Jimmy G heading to HOU and Cousins heading to SF as part of the circus.

Is it worth what it would cost us to get Watson? None of us know for sure. I do know that whatever team pulls this off will have a fanbase going berserk between the transaction and the first game. Which I'd LOVE to be able to do as a Vikes fan. Might as well pull the pin on the big grenade first if you are going to blow things up. Holy cow, they would not be able to make enough nameplates to cover up "FAVRE" on purple #4 jerseys.

Realistically though? Ain't happnin'. It's not in the DNA of our owners, GM or HC. NFW.
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and the Vikes organization has never coached up a QB into a top tier QB.....like ever....since Fran.....not sure our coaches even affect him very much , he was a freebird.
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J. Kapp 11 wrote: Wed Feb 03, 2021 9:49 am But I guess if 3 playoff teams in 7 years is good enough for you, compared to 3 playoff teams in 6 years under Childress and Frazier, then you're not going to see a problem.
Did I say it was good enough for me? I don't think I said that.

What I was trying to say is, it's an indication the team doesn't need a 180 turn-around to get into the Superbowl mix.
J. Kapp 11 wrote: Wed Feb 03, 2021 9:49 am Context matters. WHEN you get your stats matters. HOW you get your stats matters. That's why ESPN came up with their own system for QBR, based on the expected-points model. The only reason I cited traditional stats with Watson was to show that he put those up with nothing around him. And because they're what most people understand.
ESPN's QBR stats for the 2020 season rank Watson 12th overall with a 70.5, while Cousins comes in at 18th with a 62.2. By comparison, the #1 rated QB by that metric was Aaron Rodgers with a 84.3, while the worst was Sam Darnold with a 40.2.

Watson did do a lot with less. He's a very good QB. That still doesn't mean he's the salve for what ails the Vikings.
J. Kapp 11 wrote: Wed Feb 03, 2021 9:49 am Bottom line, Watson makes plays. I'm frankly surprised. You're just about the only person I've ever encountered who thinks Watson isn't a playmaker.
Point to where I claimed Watson isn't a playmaker.

And it doesn't matter as far as the Vikings are concerned because the QB position on the Vikings isn't the reason they're not in the Superbowl this year. It's not even close to the main reason.
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StumpHunter wrote: Wed Feb 03, 2021 12:56 pm Trade Cousins for a massive haul and rebuild? Or deep down do you know everyone but a few homers in MN know Watson is a massive upgrade over Cousins and worth a lot more?
What makes Watson valuable right now is he's fairly young, can run, and clearly wants out of his current situation in Houston. He really hasn't lit the NFL world on fire as of yet. In the right situation, maybe he could and maybe he will, but if not being convinced of that makes me a homer, well, I guess I'm a homer.
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vikeinmontana wrote: Wed Feb 03, 2021 1:51 pm https://www.sbnation.com/2021/1/28/2225 ... s-patriots

Here is an opinion of what five teams would likely have to package to land Watson. Obviously just one guys opinion but the overall talk seems to indicate this will be one of the biggest trades we've seen in the NFL.

Do people really believe Cousins would garner this much attention and draft picks? Because they are basically the same?

I guess all of the owners and GM's of these teams must be as dumb as I am because one of these teams is going to give up a ton to land the guy.

I'm not a Cousins hater. But if he's as good as Watson, and we could get a couple firsts, couple 2nd's and maybe even a player or two in return; Spielman is dumber than I thought if he doesn't try to make a move. Personally I don't think Cousins would get anything near what Watson will demand, but hey, they're basically the same!

Come on Rick! :banana:
What did the Vikings give up to get Walker in one of the previous biggest trades in NFL history?

How did that turn out for the Vikings?

It turned out great for the Cowboys.

Just because a guy is getting hyped and a bunch of teams are willing to bid up the price doesn't mean the promised land waits for the winning bidder.

History repeatedly demonstrates the opposite is usually true, although there are some exceptions.

One other item of note - it's incredibly rare for any team to trade away a true franchise player at any position. Some leave via free agency, usually nearer to the end of their careers, but not by trade. At no position is this more true than the QB position. It is impossible to replace a true franchise QB no matter how many draft picks are involved. They are rare birds.

Someone is going to get fleeced in this deal. Mark my words. I just hope it's not the Vikings.
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Just gonna leave this here for why it's uh... not even reasonably a good idea to move on from Kirk Cousins, I wrote this all out several days ago as to why trading away Kirk Cousins is not ideal.

Minnesota Vikings All-Time Passing Stats Leaderboard:

Completion %: 2nd Among Starters (69% [Nice])
Passing Yards: 4th (12,166)
Quarterback Record: 6th (25-21-1)
Passing Attempts: 6th (1,566)
Passing Completions: 4th (1,081)
Passing Touchdowns: 4th (91)
TD% Among Starters: 3rd (5.8%)
Interceptions: 10th (29)
Interception % Among Starters: 3rd/4th (1.9%) [Depends on if Donovan McNabb is a starter or a backup]
Yards/Attempt Among Starters: 4th (7.8)
Yards/Completion Among Starter: 13th (11.3)
Yards/Game: 2nd (258.9)
QB Rating Among Starters: 1st (103.6)

Yeah, yeah, fancy stats and all, but he's been relentlessly great, borderline elite, during his tenure in Minnesota. 12,166 yards, 98 TDs, and only 29 Interceptions is nothing to sneeze at, when you consider in the same time period of 2018-Now, other QBs have the following:

Comparing Cousin's 2018-20 (12,166 Yards, 98 TDs, 29 INTs):

Tom Brady: 13,045 Yards, 93 TDs, 31 INTs
Aaron Rodgers: 12,743 Yards, 99 TDs, 11 INTs
Drew Brees: 9,913 Yards, 83 TDs, 15 INTs
Ben Roethlisberger (2017-2018, 2020): 13,183 Yards, 95 TDs, 40 INTs
Patrick Mahomes: 13,868 Yards, 114 TDs, 23 INTs
Deshaun Watson: 12,840 Yards, 85 TDs, 28 INTs
Matthew Stafford (2017-2018, 2020): 12,188 Yards, 76 TDs, 31 INTs
Phillip Rivers: 13,092 Yards, 79 TDs, 43 INTs
Russell Wilson: 11,770 Yards, 106 TDs, 25 INTs

Kirk Cousins is, for all intents and purposes, a top 10 Quarterback, dare I say #7, even, based on production.

1. Patrick Mahomes - 13,868 Yards, 114 TDs, 23 INTs
2. Aaron Rodgers - 12,743 Yards, 99 TDs, 11 INTs
3. Russell Wilson - 11,770 Yards, 106 TDs, 25 INTs
4. Tom Brady - 13,045 Yards, 93 TDs, 31 INTs
5. Deshaun Watson - 12,840 Yards, 85 TDs, 28 INTs
6. Ben Roethlisberger - 13,183 Yards, 95 TDs, 40 INTs
7. Kirk Cousins - 12,166 Yards, 98 TDs, 29 INTs
8. Drew Brees - 9,913 Yards, 83 TDs, 15 INTs
9. Matthew Stafford - 12,188 Yards, 76 TDs, 31 INTs
10. Phillip Rivers - 13,092 Yards, 79 TDs, 43 INTs

Is it truthfully, really, honestly worth trading away Kirk Cousins to move up two spots in that list and lose out on key draft capital? No thank you, I say, unless there is a deal that is worth it to get Watson.
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vikeinmontana wrote: Tue Feb 02, 2021 10:14 pm Without trying to come across as an ####; do you really need me to tell you why DeShaun Watson is better than Kirk Cousins?

Like I said initially, maybe the disconnect here is really that people don’t think Watson is as good as a Rodgers, or Jackson or even Mahomes. I just happen to believe that he’s in the same tier and I think his stats back up that assumption. The dude is elite.
I think you don't think you need to justify your belief, which is fine with me because my point doesn't really revolve around whether Watson is objectively better than Cousins anyway.

I feel like I'm getting pulled down that road because there are so many Vikings fans on this board who seem to passionately believe Watson is the next Coming.

My core point is that whatever additional capabilities Watson would bring to the Vikings, if they don't fix their more fundamental issues first, it won't matter to the end result. Maybe we'll watch a few more spectacular plays per year, but in the end the Vikings won't be any closer to reaching, much less winning, the Superbowl, and depending on what they gave up to get Watson, they could end up farther away from it.
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Rhodes Closed wrote: Wed Feb 03, 2021 6:32 pm Just gonna leave this here for why it's uh... not even reasonably a good idea to move on from Kirk Cousins, I wrote this all out several days ago as to why trading away Kirk Cousins is not ideal.
I'm Switzerland on all this talk, and I realize this thread is purely an exercise, but here is one reason why folks might be MUCH higher on Watson despite your stat listings:

Here are our starting QB's in the five years prior to Cousins coming on board:

Christian Ponder
Matt Cassell
Josh Freeman
Teddy Bridgewater
Sam Bradford
Shaun Hill
Case Keenum

Getting Watson seemingly solves our QB problem for what, another 10-12 years if all goes well? Who knows. But if Cousins leaves after say two more years, we could easily spend the following 5-8 years looking for our QB.

Watson solves a lot. Not everything by any stretch, and of course fate has it's way time to time, so nothing is a sure thing.
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psjordan wrote: Wed Feb 03, 2021 6:49 pm
Rhodes Closed wrote: Wed Feb 03, 2021 6:32 pm Just gonna leave this here for why it's uh... not even reasonably a good idea to move on from Kirk Cousins, I wrote this all out several days ago as to why trading away Kirk Cousins is not ideal.
I'm Switzerland on all this talk, and I realize this thread is purely an exercise, but here is one reason why folks might be MUCH higher on Watson despite your stat listings:

Here are our starting QB's in the five years prior to Cousins coming on board:

Christian Ponder
Matt Cassell
Josh Freeman
Teddy Bridgewater
Sam Bradford
Shaun Hill
Case Keenum

Getting Watson seemingly solves our QB problem for what, another 10-12 years if all goes well? Who knows. But if Cousins leaves after say two more years, we could easily spend the following 5-8 years looking for our QB.

Watson solves a lot. Not everything by any stretch, and of course fate has it's way time to time, so nothing is a sure thing.
I don't know how you can say that for certain though. If Cousins keeps up his production the way he has, chances are, very high in fact, that he could be re-signed for another three year deal. Just as easily, Deshaun Watson could demand insane money, something we don't really have a luxury of, and then we're out three First Round Draft Picks and a Quarterback. :confused:
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This reminds me a bit of how people were arguing on here that Cousins was pretty much just as good as Rodgers now, because they had similar seasons statistically. That sure didn't hold up well after this past season, and I expect the same to happen with Watson next year when he instantly makes whatever team he goes to a playoff contender.

Volume stats are great and all, but they do not tell the whole story of a QB's season. Matt Shaub was a top 10 QB in nearly every passing statistic from 2009 to 2012. That didn't make him a top 10 QB, it just made him a QB who put up decent numbers in a QB friendly system.

But if you really need those stats, Watson's first 4 seasons are 5th all time in passing TDs, 2nd all time to only Mahomes in passer rating and 3rd in YPA. He is on pace to be the a top 5 QB all time and he is only going to get better. That doesn't even include what he adds as a rusher. The kid hasn't even peaked yet and any team that trades for him will have elite QB play for the next 5 seasons. He is a top tier QB who makes any team he plays on better. A guy you can build around if your GM isn't completely incompetent.

Here is one more stat that should be the end of the conversation over whether Watson is a significantly better QB than Cousins. GM's and HC's are scrambling to put together packages to trade for Watson. Multiple 1sts, pro bowl starters, all in an attempt to get this guy because the people paid millions to judge talent on the football field think he is the answer at QB they desperately need. Reports we hear from SF is that all Shanahan wants to give up, the guy who likes Cousins most in all of football, is a 2nd round pick. That is the difference between Watson and Cousins that the experts all agree on. Multiple firsts and starters, versus jack squat.

It isn't because they are biased by the media against Cousins, they don't care about stuff like that. It is because Watson is that much better and they KNOW it. They are betting their jobs on it and when the dust settles and multiple teams failed to get Watson, they aint coming looking at the Vikings to throw those picks at Cousins. They will prefer to take their chances in the draft, just like we should be doing if we can't get Watson.
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StumpHunter wrote: Wed Feb 03, 2021 8:25 pm This reminds me a bit of how people were arguing on here that Cousins was pretty much just as good as Rodgers now, because they had similar seasons statistically. That sure didn't hold up well after this past season, and I expect the same to happen with Watson next year when he instantly makes whatever team he goes to a playoff contender.

Volume stats are great and all, but they do not tell the whole story of a QB's season. Matt Shaub was a top 10 QB in nearly every passing statistic from 2009 to 2012. That didn't make him a top 10 QB, it just made him a QB who put up decent numbers in a QB friendly system.

But if you really need those stats, Watson's first 4 seasons are 5th all time in passing TDs, 2nd all time to only Mahomes in passer rating and 3rd in YPA. He is on pace to be the a top 5 QB all time and he is only going to get better. That doesn't even include what he adds as a rusher. The kid hasn't even peaked yet and any team that trades for him will have elite QB play for the next 5 seasons. He is a top tier QB who makes any team he plays on better. A guy you can build around if your GM isn't completely incompetent.

Here is one more stat that should be the end of the conversation over whether Watson is a significantly better QB than Cousins. GM's and HC's are scrambling to put together packages to trade for Watson. Multiple 1sts, pro bowl starters, all in an attempt to get this guy because the people paid millions to judge talent on the football field think he is the answer at QB they desperately need. Reports we hear from SF is that all Shanahan wants to give up, the guy who likes Cousins most in all of football, is a 2nd round pick. That is the difference between Watson and Cousins that the experts all agree on. Multiple firsts and starters, versus jack squat.

It isn't because they are biased by the media against Cousins, they don't care about stuff like that. It is because Watson is that much better and they KNOW it. They are betting their jobs on it and when the dust settles and multiple teams failed to get Watson, they aint coming looking at the Vikings to throw those picks at Cousins. They will prefer to take their chances in the draft, just like we should be doing if we can't get Watson.
In 2017, Aaron Rodgers missed most of the season. The Packers barely won a game.

Over the past two years, when his volume stats were similar to Cousins, the Packers were 26-6. Meanwhile the Vikings, with Cousins putting up numbers, were 17-15.

Some guys just win. They make everyone around them better, and they win. As much as it pains me to say it, Rodgers is such a player. Cousins is not.

Almost every football coach, scout, GM and executive sees Deshaun Watson in the same way as they see Rodgers. As you said, they’re lining up to offer packages of multiple first-round picks for Watson. There are many reasons for this, but I can guarantee you ... it’s NOT because his stats are comparable to Kirk Cousins.
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StumpHunter wrote: Wed Feb 03, 2021 2:15 pm
Again, you are totally missing the fact that NFL cap management is not a single year thing.
Okay? Not sure how that has to do with anything I am saying....
1) I personally would have pushed him to restructure, and said so prior to the off season.
Ha, how did I know you were going to go the restructure route with most of your answers?

In terms of Rhodes, you would've pushed him to restructure? Really? Because last I checked Rhodes was one of the worst CBs in the entire NFL last year.

Just to put into perspective how bad he really was:

PFF grades:

Rhodes (2019): 46.4

Gladney: 50.1
Dantzler: 70.9
Hand: 65.8
Jones: 46.0

All 3 of the rookies we drafted this year outplayed his 2019 season. Hell, Chris Jones nearly outplayed him. Rhodes time here was clearly at an end and he needed a fresh start. The constant "injuries" or tantrums every time he got roasted was enough for me. And lets keep in mind that he STOPPED shadowing and he was still getting torched by below average WRs. Gladney, Dantzler and Hand were all making pennies on the dollar compared to Rhodes. Hell, even after a restructure Rhodes would be making more probably. Why continue to pay the guy even a decent contract when you were getting "Chris Jones" type play out of him? And with as frustrated as he was, do you really think he wanted to stay? Just another unrealistic/not smart move. His play didn’t even warrant a restructured contract. His play warranted no contract.
2) The Vikings wouldn't have had to give that much up if they had been able to extend him prior to the 2019 season. Something they would have done if they had the cap to do it in 2020.
The Vikings usually don't hand out new contracts until the final year of a players rookie deal anyways. And Waynes had a 5th year option given he was a first round pick so they exercised it like 95% of teams do. Regardless, Waynes was going to push for big money and the big question is that if he is good enough to warrant that big money.
3) I liked the Pierce signing at the time, less now that he has sat out for as long as he has. I would have done what Rick did.
I'm not sure how you can like the signing less. A pandemic hit which caused him to opt out. Nobody saw that coming or could've possibly predicted that.
4) He would not have been upset with the Vikings if he had gotten an extension prior to 2019. Something that would have happened if they had had the cap in 2020 make that kind of commitment.
Dude are ya kiddin me? Holy hindsight. First of all, Alexander got a 1 year $4 million contract from Cincy. Don't sit there and tell me we couldn't have afforded some sort of extension if we wanted to give him one. And are you really ignoring/deflecting the blame of what our coach did? Zim played the majority of his backups that game outside of Alexander and maybe a few others. Which then caused him to get hurt and Sendejo had to try and play nickel which he had no idea how to do.
5) I would have worked out a restructure with Griffen and he would have been forced to listen to my offer because he wouldn't have been given the player option in 2019.
Of course you would have figured a restructure. Look at what happened to Griffen. This year he goes to Dallas and then gets traded to Detroit and sees his snap count largely diminish. You think he regrets opting out and not listening to Minnesota's offer? Hell, he's practically begging to come back right now which shows he clearly made a mistake. I would take griffen back but at a much much lower salary. Which is better for us than keeping him and kicking the can down the road
6) Diggs wouldn't have demanded a trade a few hours after Cousins was extended, because I wouldn't have signed Cousins in the first place. So yeah, he would still be a Viking if Cousins wasn't around.
:lol: okay you keep telling yourself that Diggs wanted out because of Cousins. The same Kirk Cousins that gave him the best seasons of his career up to that point. I just don't get why you refuse to acknowledge that Diggs was never "the guy" and was put even more on the back burner due to them switching to a run heavy scheme. Diggs had no problem putting Zimmer on blast saying he was completely blindsided by their switch to a run heavy scheme and that nobody ever told him about it. Why do you think he was acting like a childish as#hole all season? Because of Kirk Cousins? The same QB that gave him his first 1000 yard season the year prior and someone he never once complained about? Diggs has all the power in the world to call Cousins out at this point and he didn't. But he called Zim out? Remember above where I said many of these points have to do with who our coach is?....yeah.
7) Harris would have been cheaper in 2020 and would still be a Viking in 2021 when the Vikings extended him in 2019.
I didn't even mention Harris but ok.

And of course, one of many extensions that happen in 2019 you're saying. While we continue to sit there with Case Keenum as our QB and according to your fantasy situation still without a plan at QB leading up to 2020. And then on top of it, all these high priced free agent acquisitions you mentioned. I would love to know where all these imaginary cap dollars are coming from given we'd still be paying Keenum at least $18 mill a year. Compared to Cousins $10 million more that he made.

So somehow with that $10 million you saved in 2019 by rolling with Keenum, you somehow managed to give Waynes a new deal, Mac a new deal, Harris a new deal, still have Diggs on a big contract, still sign Michael Pierce and then sign Logan Ryan, Suh and whoever the high priced guard was you plugged in there? Enlighten me where all this imaginary money is coming from? I'm sorry but your situation just isn't realistic....at all. You're pulling this stuff from the clouds trying to make your case of what could happen if Cousins wasn't here. At least make it realistic. Instead you’re restructuring players that are past their prime and just kicking the can down the road, you’re extending all these players and then adding a boat load of high priced free agents.....with zero plan at QB other than case keenum and a project that you JUST drafted this year. Like I said in the last thread, I expected a lot more from the QB guru himself than Case keenum and jordan love.

You somehow think this team would be better off without Kirk cousins and having keenum and love instead, holding onto washed up players and signing a bunch of high priced free agents. How does that make this team any closer to a SB than we currently are? If anything, we went backwards because we still wouldn’t have the QB position solved and it would still be a gigantic question mark. And we wouldn’t have Justin Jefferson and still have diggs in a run heavy scheme....because I’m sure he’d totally be okay with that and still want to be here with case keenum throwing to him in a run heavy scheme. But hey! It has nothing to do with Mike zimmer and his 1992 style and everything to do with Kirk cousins L.O.L.
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