What??? Teddy to the Pro Bowl?

[Cliff]

exactly, there's no point saying anything in favor of teddy bridgewater...afterall it was the worst passing attack in the league (or some other non sequitur) is sure to follow.

Passing yards don't tell the whole story and there's plenty to like about Bridgewater. I'm stoked to have him on the team.

I haven't watched other QBs around the league as much as Bridgewater but if he belongs in the Pro Bowl after this year's performance it says more about the other QBs in the league than him. He was pretty average (or below) other than 4-5 games. If that was enough to be considered "elite" (I.E. a pro bowl player) the other QBs must be terrible.

[fiestavike]

Passing yards don't tell the whole story and there's plenty to like about Bridgewater. I'm stoked to have him on the team.

I haven't watched other QBs around the league as much as Bridgewater but if he belongs in the Pro Bowl after this year's performance it says more about the other QBs in the league than him. He was pretty average (or below) other than 4-5 games. If that was enough to be considered "elite" (I.E. a pro bowl player) the other QBs must be terrible.

I don't care about the probowl one jot. It is a measure of QB play just about as much as passing yards is. It just seems to a lot of folks that the glaring positives in Teddy's game are invisible.

[Cliff]

I don't care about the probowl one jot. It is a measure of QB play just about as much as passing yards is. It just seems to a lot of folks that the glaring positives in Teddy's game are invisible.

They're not invisible to me at all. I don't think to most other people either. For me, it's just the idea that he was "elite" last year that doesn't jive with me. I think Teddy is going to be a franchise quarterback and I do feel he could be elite. It just wasn't last season.

[fiestavike]

They're not invisible to me at all. I don't think to most other people either. For me, it's just the idea that he was "elite" last year that doesn't jive with me. I think Teddy is going to be a franchise quarterback and I do feel he could be elite. It just wasn't last season.

I don't think anyone has contended he's elite. the argument much more seems to be between those who think he is terrible/hasn't shown anything yet and those who think he has played well within the confines of the circumstances (in reality).

[Mothman]

exactly, there's no point saying anything in favor of teddy bridgewater...afterall it was the worst passing attack in the league (or some other non sequitur) is sure to follow.

That wasn't a non-sequitur. It was a logical response to Mike's comment that he didn't know why anyone thinks Teddy doesn't deserve to go to the Pro Bowl. I provided a reason and not a reason I invented or based on something hypothetical.

To me, it's ridiculous that this is even a point of contention. Are there really fans here who genuinely believe Bridgewater played at the sort of elite level that should earn Pro Bowl honors this season and is it actually overly harsh to point that he didn't?

[fiestavike]

something hypothetical.

To me, it's ridiculous that this is even a point of contention. Are there really fans here who genuinely believe Bridgewater played at the sort of elite level that should earn Pro Bowl honors this season and is it actually overly harsh to point that he didn't?

I don't think anybody is arguing that, so you are arguing with nobody.

[Mothman]

I don't think anybody is arguing that, so you are arguing with nobody.

The "non-sequitur" you referred to was posted in response to someone making that argument!

[Cliff]

I don't think anybody is arguing that, so you are arguing with nobody.

And yet here you are, arguing about how good Teddy is in a post about him going to the Pro bowl. If you agree that Teddy doesn't belong in the Pro Bowl then it doesn't make sense to point out all the things he's good at ... at least in this thread.

I think you might be looking for the main Teddy thread

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[fiestavike]

The "non-sequitur" you referred to was posted in response to someone making that argument!

No it wasn't.

[Mothman]

No, I don't think he was contending that Bridgewater was elite. He specifically said, given all the people who backed out, there is no reason
Teddy shouldn't be there. Not remotely the same thing. I'm pretty sure he's just sick of the endless hate, as am I.

Spread a little less of it then.

[IrishViking]

I am starting to see a lot of folks take a lot of stuff way more personally than we used to on here.

I understand we can all get riled up from time to time (myself certainly included!) over certain topics but for a lot of the issues we talk about here lately IE; Patterson, Peterson, Bridgewater, Norv Turner, the Oline, Spielman I really comes down to opinions and a lot of "we need to wait and see". I have never seen everyone so impatient!

Now, I know, part of this has to do with some of you have a very long history but for some of the new guys or guests or even me that still haven't mastered the "friendly" hierarchy here it can be a roller coaster of emotion reading through these pages. With some of the vitriol that is being thrown it makes it hard to enjoy the high level conversations that regularly occur.

In other words, Mommy, Daddy, stop fighting!

[Purple bruise]

It doesn't matter why the Vikings passing offense was one of the worst this year. The qb is the one who gets too much credit when they do good and also gets too much blame when they don't do good, fair or not. But to say Teddy is deserving of the Pro Bowl because his receivers, o-line and coaches suck is pretty far fetched. Based on his stats, he should not be in the Pro Bowl although I understand why he is with all the declined invitations.

No, you missed the point of my post by a mile. He made it despite having mediocre receivers, horrible pass protection and on many occasions, bad play calling.
He is very deserving. I would love to see Manning, Flacco, Palmer, Brees, Cutler etc. playing behind this line with the same pass protection and mediocre receivers. TB's mobility saved many more of the sure tackles for losses and sacks that many other Pro Bowl QBs would have had.

[Demi]

I don't think anyone has contended he's elite. the argument much more seems to be between those who think he is terrible/hasn't shown anything yet and those who think he has played well within the confines of the circumstances (in reality).

You mean those who are judging him on how he's played (reality)
And those who want to make excuses for him and talk about how he *might* play if circumstances were different (fantasy)

Not sure anyone thinks he's terrible. He's better than the previous two guys. And he hasn't shown that much. Maybe that's because of everyone else. Maybe it's because of him. But to assume if he had better receivers, line, and coordinator, he'd be better? Yeah, so would a lot of quarterbacks. This thread was suppose to be about the pro bowl. And it's clear he doesn't belong in the pro bowl, and is only there because a number of other players backed out and there are a lot of horrible QBs in this league, including a couple throwing games away in his own division. Yet for some reason, there has to be an argument made that he is a good QB and belongs in the pro bowl. Not based on stats, or watching him actually play, but based on potential and what could be. The pro bowl, and any award, is suppose to be based on what you did that season, not what you could possibly do. A "Most likely to succeed" award would have been more appropriate.

And that picture of the broken down car could just as easily be applied to the people who want to completely ignore the blown engine while focusing on the number of other problems.
Even if you fix those other problems, you may never be able to get where you want to go.

[Purple Reign]

No, you missed the point of my post by a mile. He made it despite having mediocre receivers, horrible pass protection and on many occasions, bad play calling.
He is very deserving. I would love to see Manning, Flacco, Palmer, Brees, Cutler etc. playing behind this line with the same pass protection and mediocre receivers. TB's mobility saved many more of the sure tackles for losses and sacks that many other Pro Bowl QBs would have had.

It still no justification for him being in the Pro Bowl. While the Pro Bowl is an individual honor, it is still a team game and Teddy's success depends on his teammates as well as him. You will never be able to convince me that Teddy had a Pro Bowl type year and 'deserves' to be in it. He got in it by default, plain and simple.

I think Demi summed it up quite nicely in the post above:

"You mean those who are judging him on how he's played (reality)
And those who want to make excuses for him and talk about how he *might* play if circumstances were different (fantasy)"

[losperros]

You mean those who are judging him on how he's played (reality)
And those who want to make excuses for him and talk about how he *might* play if circumstances were different (fantasy)

Not sure anyone thinks he's terrible. He's better than the previous two guys. And he hasn't shown that much. Maybe that's because of everyone else. Maybe it's because of him. But to assume if he had better receivers, line, and coordinator, he'd be better? Yeah, so would a lot of quarterbacks. This thread was suppose to be about the pro bowl. And it's clear he doesn't belong in the pro bowl, and is only there because a number of other players backed out and there are a lot of horrible QBs in this league, including a couple throwing games away in his own division. Yet for some reason, there has to be an argument made that he is a good QB and belongs in the pro bowl. Not based on stats, or watching him actually play, but based on potential and what could be. The pro bowl, and any award, is suppose to be based on what you did that season, not what you could possibly do. A "Most likely to succeed" award would have been more appropriate.

And that picture of the broken down car could just as easily be applied to the people who want to completely ignore the blown engine while focusing on the number of other problems.
Even if you fix those other problems, you may never be able to get where you want to go.

Very well said!