mansquatch wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 1:22 pm
Regardless, our D need to play better and can't let us get down 21-0. I just found it interesting that the scenarios played out similarly in back to back weeks fpr GB.
I think the key against the Bear offense is to stop the run and make Trubisky beat them from the pocket with his arm. That requires a disciplined pass rush, because if they allow Trubisky to escape the pressure by moving up or sideways he's going to be able to extend drives. If he escapes they want him going backwards and turning his back.
I've heard talk about the Vikings keeping a spy on Trubisky. A spy isn't necessary if the pass rush is disciplined and the rushers collapse the pocket. Sacks are secondary in this upcoming game. First the defense has to stop the run and create those favorable down-distance situations that force the Bears to pass, and when they do have to pass, bottle Trubisky up and force him to read the field and make the throws. If the defense does it's job and plays within the confines of that basic game plan the Bears will struggle to sustain drives and score. If they start playing outside that scheme and let Trubisky get loose or allow the Bears to sustain drives with their run game, it's going to be a much longer day.
mansquatch wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2019 8:59 am
So basically all the Bears have to do is flood the box with 8 dudes, score 3 points, and they win? On a side note, Brad Childress called, he said he wants his Tavaris Jackson game plan guidebook back.
At this point, every DC in the league knows we are going to try to run the ball and that in 2020 Cousins has yet to show he can be effective passing the ball. The Bears will very likely start off in a scheme to shut down Dalvin Cook. They have the best Front 7 in the NFL, so they will likely have success in this regard. So what, the Viking should just roll into fetal position and wait for the 4th quarter to end? They are going to have to have some success in the passing game to win this game.
Good post mansquatch
I think your right that the Bears will start off with a focus on shutting down Cook and the run game.
They most likely will have some success with it, because they are good. What is success though? Specifically? I have been thinking about this. I am curious as to your thoughts on measuring success In the run game. I feel like if they can establish play action early on it would create problems for the bears. Have some creative design to some play action and get the bears guessing a bit early, Would go along way toward success with the run. Cousins will have to have some success passing, no question, for them to win. He hasn’t looked good thus far this season in this system comparatively speaking to prior season passing the ball. It kind of surprises me as this system plays to his strengths. He’s made some plays down the field though and has a history of putting up some number in the passing game so DC’s are going to respect that IMO. Part of the reason I think establishing play action is so important.
I think they need to run the ball to keep the Bears honest and not try to do too much too early. This is a game where all 4 quarters are going to matter. Tossing in a 5 step drop or some of that play action / bootleg stuff seems risky early. You know the Bears have tape on it and you know your interior OL is down a guy and was already the weak point of your offensive line. I would run quick hitting stuff to take away the pass rush as well as run plays that wear down the front by making them run. Even if you don't score it's fine. Wear them down. Khalil Mack is known to be weaker against the rush, exploit that. To me this is about the Vikings pacing themselves and not trying to win it in the first three drives. They can't afford a big mistake early.
Above all, they need to recognize that their QB is prone to putting the ball on the ground so they need to call stuff that helps him avoid that situation. Cousins needs to just accept sacks in this game.
I think they need to run quick hitting stuff to their skill guys and make the Bears tackle. Don't put the game on Cousins too much since the interior of the OL issue is going to limit what he can do. Get he ball out fast and let the playmakers do their thing. Don't get frustrated early, this game will be a dog fight. As the game wears on I think the Vikings will see opportunities to take shots, but they need to be conservative on this. Don't try to win it in one play. That isn't our game.
Winning is not a sometime thing it is an all of the time thing - Vince Lombardi
No that isn’t what I meant, although when I re-read my post I can see how that’s interpreted.
We beat Atalanta with cousins throwing 10 times so I don’t think it’s unreasonable to plan for 10-15 passes on Sunday.
I like the way out D matches up- The far greater risk of this game getting out of hand is some terrible Kirk turnovers, not Trubisky going off for 350 yards and 3 TD. And those mistakes are way more likely to happen in obvious passing situations like 3rd and long. I’d much rather they take their chances on 2nd or 3rd and short with play action, and just run on 3rd and long to limit the mistakes
That’s our best chance at winning on Sunday IMHO. Play good D and a very conservative ball control/field position offense. Limit Kirk’s attempts in obvious passing situations because that is when bad things will happen
I think your right that the Bears will start off with a focus on shutting down Cook and the run game.
They most likely will have some success with it, because they are good. What is success though? Specifically? I have been thinking about this. I am curious as to your thoughts on measuring success In the run game. I feel like if they can establish play action early on it would create problems for the bears. Have some creative design to some play action and get the bears guessing a bit early, Would go along way toward success with the run. Cousins will have to have some success passing, no question, for them to win. He hasn’t looked good thus far this season in this system comparatively speaking to prior season passing the ball. It kind of surprises me as this system plays to his strengths. He’s made some plays down the field though and has a history of putting up some number in the passing game so DC’s are going to respect that IMO. Part of the reason I think establishing play action is so important.
I think they need to run the ball to keep the Bears honest and not try to do too much too early. This is a game where all 4 quarters are going to matter. Tossing in a 5 step drop or some of that play action / bootleg stuff seems risky early. You know the Bears have tape on it and you know your interior OL is down a guy and was already the weak point of your offensive line. I would run quick hitting stuff to take away the pass rush as well as run plays that wear down the front by making them run. Even if you don't score it's fine. Wear them down. Khalil Mack is known to be weaker against the rush, exploit that. To me this is about the Vikings pacing themselves and not trying to win it in the first three drives. They can't afford a big mistake early.
Above all, they need to recognize that their QB is prone to putting the ball on the ground so they need to call stuff that helps him avoid that situation. Cousins needs to just accept sacks in this game.
I think they need to run quick hitting stuff to their skill guys and make the Bears tackle. Don't put the game on Cousins too much since the interior of the OL issue is going to limit what he can do. Get he ball out fast and let the playmakers do their thing. Don't get frustrated early, this game will be a dog fight. As the game wears on I think the Vikings will see opportunities to take shots, but they need to be conservative on this. Don't try to win it in one play. That isn't our game.
You make some great points. I like your plan for the most part. I think the patient approach is a good one. Work to wear down the defense early by play designs that make the lineman move sideline to sideline and it will open things up later in the game. Mix in some quick hitters to mitigate the pass rush and let the playmakers do the work run the ball to keep them honest. All Great points! I understand the risks, but I feel a little different about the play action early, I think the up side of success with play action early is worth the risk. Mostly because I feel the bears are gonna be playing the run and susceptible to some 1 read play action. Coaching and play design will be key. With the right design off play action cousins can get the ball out quickly to his first read or a dump off to a back, or even just throw it away if the first read isn’t there. I don’t feel to bad about expecting cousins to make some plays, or not turn the ball over. He’s going to have to be trusted to at some point this season for this team to be considered real contenders. I am not saying they should put the game on his shoulders, but asking him to do some specific things with play action isn’t out of line. After all, they didn’t bring him in here on an unprecedented contract to be a game manager. If it’s not gonna work with him under center I would rather it happen sooner than later.
mansquatch wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 1:22 pm
Regardless, our D need to play better and can't let us get down 21-0. I just found it interesting that the scenarios played out similarly in back to back weeks fpr GB.
I think the key against the Bear offense is to stop the run and make Trubisky beat them from the pocket with his arm. That requires a disciplined pass rush, because if they allow Trubisky to escape the pressure by moving up or sideways he's going to be able to extend drives. If he escapes they want him going backwards and turning his back.
I've heard talk about the Vikings keeping a spy on Trubisky. A spy isn't necessary if the pass rush is disciplined and the rushers collapse the pocket. Sacks are secondary in this upcoming game. First the defense has to stop the run and create those favorable down-distance situations that force the Bears to pass, and when they do have to pass, bottle Trubisky up and force him to read the field and make the throws. If the defense does it's job and plays within the confines of that basic game plan the Bears will struggle to sustain drives and score. If they start playing outside that scheme and let Trubisky get loose or allow the Bears to sustain drives with their run game, it's going to be a much longer day.
That's some very good points. If I remember correctly his scrambling/running ability did us in. That's always difficult to deal with. Hopefully they are smart enough to look at how the Packers stuffed him and use some of that. I'm sure they did. It almost seems to me that our DEs will need to keep him in the pocket. I'm sure there is much more to it but as people have stated don't lose contain. If the Pack held them to 3 they obviously have a down right crappy offense. And that was in Chi Town. I think our D is better than the Packs. This is a big game for us. Not do or die but it's already getting close to that. We can't go 0-2 in division games. That will make the road much tougher and then it's do or die. We need to play great and avoid that situation. I rag much but we have a good group of players. Now we need to play well across the board. And both our coordinators need to prove that they belong in the job. If we crap the bed it will prove we don't belong yet.
Well, for once we have the advantage with injuries.
For the Bears, WR Taylor Gabriel is out. DT Bilal Nichols is out. Those are significant losses for the Bears.
Akiem Hicks is questionable with a knee. He hasn't practiced all week and will be a game-time decision. That's huge if he's out.
K Eddie Pineiro is questionable with a knee injury. He's been limited all week, and the Bears haven't brought in another kicker. Even if he plays, you have to wonder about his range and effectiveness.
Kyle Long, their starting guard, is questionable with a hip injury.
Meanwhile, the Vikings are only down Josh Kline (a pretty significant loss, but less so if Hicks is unable to go) and Kentrell Brothers. Mack Alexander has practiced all week, so he's looking good, even though he's listed as questionable.
J. Kapp 11 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 9:11 pm
Well, for once we have the advantage with injuries.
For the Bears, WR Taylor Gabriel is out. DT Bilal Nichols is out. Those are significant losses for the Bears.
Akiem Hicks is questionable with a knee. He hasn't practiced all week and will be a game-time decision. That's huge if he's out.
K Eddie Pineiro is questionable with a knee injury. He's been limited all week, and the Bears haven't brought in another kicker. Even if he plays, you have to wonder about his range and effectiveness.
Kyle Long, their starting guard, is questionable with a hip injury.
Meanwhile, the Vikings are only down Josh Kline (a pretty significant loss, but less so if Hicks is unable to go) and Kentrell Brothers. Mack Alexander has practiced all week, so he's looking good, even though he's listed as questionable.
Vikings to invade Soldier Field in Purple Jerseys!!! Let the pillaging begin The Bears throwback uniforms contain white in the jerseys so we will be invading the Bears at home in purple. That's gonna be weird, but I love it.
I just wanna die as a Super Bowl Champion Viking Fan!!
Hicks, Nichols, Roquan Smith and Long are all out. Meanwhile Alexander is playing so Vikings have an entire healthy secondary. They really need to capitalize on this opportunity.
S197 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:21 pm
Hicks, Nichols, Roquan Smith and Long are all out. Meanwhile Alexander is playing so Vikings have an entire healthy secondary. They really need to capitalize on this opportunity.
Kyle Long is a stud when healthy. That's an advantage for the Vikings on the defensive side of the ball.
“Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it's much more serious than that.” --- Bill Shankly
S197 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:21 pm
Hicks, Nichols, Roquan Smith and Long are all out. Meanwhile Alexander is playing so Vikings have an entire healthy secondary. They really need to capitalize on this opportunity.
Tbh if we cant capitalize on this, this team just doesn't have it.
“I remember my mistakes more than my success.” - Adrian Peterson
The Bears throwback uniforms contain white in the jerseys so we will be invading the Bears at home in purple. That's gonna be weird, but I love it.