Page 5 of 6
Re: Seahawks post game thread
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:15 pm
by Pondering Her Percy
Cris Carter.....”if Case Keenum was still with the Vikings, they’d have two wins right now”. Pretty sure a hall of fame WR judges QB talent a little better than we do.
Re: Seahawks post game thread
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:22 pm
by purplehaze
Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:04 pm
For what it’s worth, out of the top 6 highest paid QBs in the nfl annually, Kirk cousins is the only one still in playoff contention.
Rodgers, Ryan, Stafford, jimmy G (injured but wouldn’t have been in the playoffs) and Derek Carr.
Maybe that tells us they are all overpaid.
Re: Seahawks post game thread
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:34 pm
by PurpleMustReign
purplehaze wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:22 pm
Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:04 pm
For what it’s worth, out of the top 6 highest paid QBs in the nfl annually, Kirk cousins is the only one still in playoff contention.
Rodgers, Ryan, Stafford, jimmy G (injured but wouldn’t have been in the playoffs) and Derek Carr.
Maybe that tells us they are all overpaid.
It seems like the QB position is becoming overvalued again. Thsts a really, really telling stat. I'd be curious how many playoff wins there are between them all.
Re: Seahawks post game thread
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:46 pm
by Mothman
Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:59 pmAnd let’s be honest, Buffalo with josh Allen, is a million times different than buffalo with Nathan Peterman
Definitely!
Re: Seahawks post game thread
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:01 pm
by VikingLord
Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:15 pm
Cris Carter.....”if Case Keenum was still with the Vikings, they’d have two wins right now”. Pretty sure a hall of fame WR judges QB talent a little better than we do.
Didn't Carter also predict that AP would not be successful this year with the Redskins?
I wonder if he made any predictions about the remainder of last season after Keenum took the reins at QB.
Carter was a hall of fame receiver. He probably can judge talent. That doesn't mean he's an accurate prognosticator, especially about something that is impossible to know in fact because Cousins is the QB for the Vikings and Keenum is not.
Cousins hasn't been terrible. He's played behind a suspect OL and with an offense that has struggled to run the ball. He still leads the league in fumbles and, I would guess, batted passes too. He's been missing some pretty wide open targets at time, and has struggled to make good decisions and execute under pressure as of late. Those are legitimate observations about his game, and, at least over the last several games against winning teams, Cousins hasn't made enough of a difference for the Vikings to walk out winners.
Let's see if a change at OC helps him...
Re: Seahawks post game thread
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:14 pm
by 808vikingsfan
Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:15 pm
Cris Carter.....”if Case Keenum was still with the Vikings, they’d have two wins right now”. Pretty sure a hall of fame WR judges QB talent a little better than we do.
Not sure about using a quote from Cris Carter. That's almost as bad as using PFF to win an argument. JK!
Re: Seahawks post game thread
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:22 pm
by YikesVikes
Again....
There are 14 QBs making 20 million this season. Kirk is making 24 million this season.
Matthew Stafford signed a 90 million dollar guaranteed contract. Why is Kirk Contract such a big deal? I think it is purposely being dragged by the NFL to discourage fully guaranteed contracts. There is nothing about his contract that is unbelievable money. He is like the 9th highest paid QB this season. Next season, I expect him to fall out of the top 10 once the FA market hits and new deals are signed. People think for your selves. The crap the talking heads are talking about is foolish.
Re: Seahawks post game thread
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:35 pm
by 808vikingsfan
YikesVikes wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:22 pm
Again....
There are 14 QBs making 20 million this season. Kirk is making 24 million this season.
Matthew Stafford signed a 90 million dollar guaranteed contract. Why is Kirk Contract such a big deal? I think it is purposely being dragged by the NFL to discourage fully guaranteed contracts. There is nothing about his contract that is unbelievable money. He is like the 9th highest paid QB this season. Next season, I expect him to fall out of the top 10 once the FA market hits and new deals are signed. People think for your selves. The crap the talking heads are talking about is foolish.
His guaranteed salary is $28M/yr (ave), that's $9M more than the next fellow (Rodgers), $16M more than Keenum. (I really think Keenum could have easily won 6 games with this team) So my question is, how does the guarantee part of the contract come into play? Will it matter only if they want to trade him or if he gets hurt?
Re: Seahawks post game thread
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:48 pm
by StpViking
Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:04 pm
For what it’s worth, out of the top 6 highest paid QBs in the nfl annually, Kirk cousins is the only one still in playoff contention.
Rodgers, Ryan, Stafford, jimmy G (injured but wouldn’t have been in the playoffs) and Derek Carr.
PHP congrats, you just won the internet. Didn't know there was a contest but somehow you won it!
Re: Seahawks post game thread
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:37 pm
by Pondering Her Percy
YikesVikes wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:22 pm
Again....
There are 14 QBs making 20 million this season. Kirk is making 24 million this season.
Matthew Stafford signed a 90 million dollar guaranteed contract. Why is Kirk Contract such a big deal? I think it is purposely being dragged by the NFL to discourage fully guaranteed contracts. There is nothing about his contract that is unbelievable money. He is like the 9th highest paid QB this season. Next season, I expect him to fall out of the top 10 once the FA market hits and new deals are signed. People think for your selves. The crap the talking heads are talking about is foolish.
Agreed 100%
Re: Seahawks post game thread
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:38 pm
by Pondering Her Percy
StpViking wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:48 pm
Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:04 pm
For what it’s worth, out of the top 6 highest paid QBs in the nfl annually, Kirk cousins is the only one still in playoff contention.
Rodgers, Ryan, Stafford, jimmy G (injured but wouldn’t have been in the playoffs) and Derek Carr.
PHP congrats, you just won the internet. Didn't know there was a contest but somehow you won it!
Lol idk how to take this but thanks
Re: Seahawks post game thread
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:57 pm
by Mothman
YikesVikes wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:22 pm
Again....
There are 14 QBs making 20 million this season. Kirk is making 24 million this season.
Matthew Stafford signed a 90 million dollar guaranteed contract. Why is Kirk Contract such a big deal? I think it is purposely being dragged by the NFL to discourage fully guaranteed contracts.
It's a big deal because it's an expensive, guaranteed contract that basically locks the Vikings in with Cousins for the next 3 years. They left themselves no flexibility, no out, so now that he is arguably underperforming and demonstrating why the Redskins didn't want to give him this kind of deal, the Vikings are somewhat stuck. They have committed themselves to 3 years of Cousins as their QB.
It's not an insurmountable problem and if his play improves, it may not be a problem at all but it's the 3 year commitment
combined with the money that's generating the discussion, not just the money.
Re: Seahawks post game thread
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:57 pm
by YikesVikes
808vikingsfan wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:35 pm
YikesVikes wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:22 pm
Again....
There are 14 QBs making 20 million this season. Kirk is making 24 million this season.
Matthew Stafford signed a 90 million dollar guaranteed contract. Why is Kirk Contract such a big deal? I think it is purposely being dragged by the NFL to discourage fully guaranteed contracts. There is nothing about his contract that is unbelievable money. He is like the 9th highest paid QB this season. Next season, I expect him to fall out of the top 10 once the FA market hits and new deals are signed. People think for your selves. The crap the talking heads are talking about is foolish.
His guaranteed salary is $28M/yr (ave), that's $9M more than the next fellow (Rodgers), $16M more than Keenum. (I really think Keenum could have easily won 6 games with this team) So my question is, how does the guarantee part of the contract come into play? Will it matter only if they want to trade him or if he gets hurt?
Who cares? This season he is making 24 million. Next season 28. He's not going to be the highest and there will be probably 10 guys over 25. None of this is an issue. Again, 14 other QBs are making 20 million this season. 14!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: Seahawks post game thread
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:00 pm
by YikesVikes
Mothman wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:57 pm
YikesVikes wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:22 pm
Again....
There are 14 QBs making 20 million this season. Kirk is making 24 million this season.
Matthew Stafford signed a 90 million dollar guaranteed contract. Why is Kirk Contract such a big deal? I think it is purposely being dragged by the NFL to discourage fully guaranteed contracts.
It's a big deal because it's an expensive, guaranteed contract that basically locks the Vikings in with Cousins for the next 3 years. They left themselves no flexibility, no out, so now that he is arguably underperforming and demonstrating why the Redskins didn't want to give him this kind of deal, the Vikings are somewhat stuck. They have committed themselves to 3 years of Cousins as their QB.
It's not an insurmountable problem and if his play improves, it may not be a problem at all but it's the 3 year commitment
combined with the money that's generating the discussion, not just the money.
1. It's not expensive. It's what the league is paying QBs. 14 Other guys are in his salary range.
2. He signed as a FA, if we signed him to a 5 year 100 million dollar contract, do you think we wouldn't be locked in with him for atleast 3 years? Matt Stafford just signed for 135 million with 90 million guaranteed. What's the difference. Why is Kirk being talked about to death but Stafford isn't. It's because the league is peddling ####.
3. Nothing stops us from Drafting a QB in the first, and getting better potential QB play for cheap.
4. Wait till you see what Dak and company get next year. People are complaining because NFL Network keeps talking about it. It is not a weird contract. Its not a big contract. You don't move on from a FA QB for 2.5 years anyways.
Re: Seahawks post game thread
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:08 pm
by YikesVikes
Mothman wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:57 pm
YikesVikes wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:22 pm
Again....
There are 14 QBs making 20 million this season. Kirk is making 24 million this season.
Matthew Stafford signed a 90 million dollar guaranteed contract. Why is Kirk Contract such a big deal? I think it is purposely being dragged by the NFL to discourage fully guaranteed contracts.[/quote
It's not an insurmountable problem and if his play improves, it may not be a problem at all but it's the 3 year commitment
combined with the money that's generating the discussion, not just the money.
What FA is being signed without 3 years of commitment in guaranteed money? That's the norm. I rather not deal with a super bloated contact like Matt Ryan and Stafford's for 5 years. This gives us a reasonable out. Again, what was the option, Case Keenum that had 1 season. Would you bet your job on him repeating his magic? I wouldn't. Again, Kirk has played well when we protected him.
He has the best % under pressure. He is the most pressured QB, most hit Qb. I don't know why people expect this guy to be Jesus in purple. Protect him and he plays, we haven't. Have you seen our Oline? Wet paper towels have better stopping power. When was the last time you saw a hole open. They got whipped 2 games straight on the LOS.