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808vikingsfan wrote:
With that write up, maybe he should've not been drafted in the first place!

Best NFC North pick: Trae Waynes CB- Michigan St.
The most important part of drafting is identifying players who are ideal scheme fits. The Vikings' utilization of aggressive bump-and-run tactics on the perimeter could help Waynes blossom into a Pro Bowl-caliber cover corner early in his career. The former Michigan State standout excelled at suffocating receivers with various press-man techniques. Thus, he shouldn't have any problem transitioning to the pro game in a system that will allow him to play to his strengths.

Pondering Her Percy wrote:This is exactly what many are missing. The scheme he is in. Zimmer's scheme plays to his strengths.

dead_poet wrote:2015 Draft in Review: Minnesota Vikings
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2 ... a-vikings/

dead_poet wrote: FWIW, PFF doesn't take into account projections and drafted schemes.

dead_poet wrote: FWIW, PFF doesn't take into account projections and drafted schemes, just take into account previous season player grades. Based on their grades Waynes should've been drafted in the second round and wasn't close to being the top CB in the draft.

MikethePurple wrote:I was looking to see grades that they had on all corners in this year's draft (I was curious to see who they had rated as the top corners). Did they have a list anywhere on the website? I couldn't find one.

mondry wrote: and that's why it's worthless.

dead_poet wrote: Try this: https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2 ... rnerbacks/

dead_poet wrote:
I wouldn't call it worthless necessarily. They're projecting things in a vacuum "all things being equal." If you wanted the "best" cornerback, by their measure

mondry wrote: I don't.

dead_poet wrote: Well then.

HardcoreVikesFan wrote:One thing I don't understand is that if the analytics were pointing out that Trae Waynes wasn't the player everyone portrayed him to be, why did Minnesota draft him?

Who did PFF CFF grade as the best corner in the draft?

– Garry Peters from Clemson was a player that graded right at the sharp end of the CFF rankings, and his mark is the best among players we consider to be quality prospects.
– The best-placed ‘elite’ prospect was Wake Forrest’s Kevin Johnson who came in 25th with 0.89 yards per coverage snap.
– Oregon’s Troy Hill upstaged his more illustrious counterpart Ifo Ekpre-Olomu across the board in 2014, allowing a significantly lower yards per coverage snap figure (0.78 to 0.93)
– Garry Peters and Troy Hill again show well here, but this time Eric Rowe, and Kevin White are among other notable names with impressive figures.
– Trae Waynes, and Marcus Peters both allowed more than 50% of passes sent their way to be caught while Jalen Collins was at just 40.9%.
– Two players allowed more than 85% of passes sent their way to be caught. Neither, strangely, are considered top prospects.
– P.J. Williams allowed 59.6% of passes sent his way to be caught, giving him some ugly coverage numbers to go with his inconsistent tape.
– This is always my favorite cornerback metric (passer rating). It can of course be skewed and isn’t always entirely ‘honest’, but it is regularly an excellent reflection at the NFL level of cornerback play. When the threshold of snaps is lowered enough, UConn’s Byron Jones allowed a rating of just 26.3 on his targets before injury.
– Senquez Golson teams an excellent CFF grade with a passer rating of just 44.9 on his targeted passes this year, thanks largely to picking off 10 of them, though he did surrender four touchdowns, the most of any player in the Top 15.
– Garry Peters sneaks into the Top 15 in another category despite just one interception to his name. He did break up 10 passes and allow only one score all year while being beaten for an average of just 9.0 yards per reception.
– Trae Waynes (19), Marcus Peters (42) and Jalen Collins (46) this time all rank relatively lowly in this measure.

There are some position groups with players to love at the top and there are others where the best players available each have major flaws. Cornerback is one of these latter groups.

While the class itself is very deep, there is no stand out stud that you can be confident of taking high in the first round and relying on him to become a top NFL coverage man without too much time.

Players are being mocked as high as the Top 10 elsewhere, but when we looked at the group we’re not sure any of them is worth a first-round grade, and even in this relatively weak first round we wouldn’t be happy taking any of them before around pick No. 20.

With that being said, let’s take a look at the five players PFF/CFF believes are the cream of the crop.