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NextQuestion wrote:Only thing that really ticks me off is the Gerhart "fumble".

Also: FORMER VP OF OFFICIATING, CARL JOHNSON, IS HIS LINE JUDGE!!! WTF!?

Don't understand your issue with Carl Johnson. Johnson has no say in what Morelli decides when he reviews a play, so why blame Johnson?

UKViking wrote:I can't remember when it was, but what about that free first down the Ravens got, I think they needed about 8 yards or so and were stopped at least a yard short, yet they still got it

The first one that happened Fraiser challenged the spot and they reversed the 1st down ruling. But I'm guessing you were referring to a different one where it wasn't challenged and it looked like it was short. The reason you thought they got a favorable spot was because the red line was not very accurate during the game, it appeared to consistently being off by about a yard. So while the ball was spotted short of the red line, the red line was not the official 1st down marker. I'm sure the weather had something to do with the red line not being that accurate (normally the line is yellow, but for some reason it was red yesterday).

Blog post on officials calling Frazier today: http://www.1500espn.com/sportswire/Unpr ... ting120913

Purple Reign wrote: But I'm guessing you were referring to a different one where it wasn't challenged and it looked like it was short. The reason you thought they got a favorable spot was because the red line was not very accurate during the game, it appeared to consistently being off by about a yard. So while the ball was spotted short of the red line, the red line was not the official 1st down marker. I'm sure the weather had something to do with the red line not being that accurate (normally the line is yellow, but for some reason it was red yesterday).

Actually, the chains were setup wrong and only 9 yards apart which is a complete WTF by itself. The chain is exactly 10 yards long, it's pretty weird that it wasn't just an inch or two off because the guy didn't pull it tight, but a full yard.

Check this thread: http://www.vikingsmessageboard.com/view ... =1&t=26806 for picture evidence showing the chains 9 yards apart. The red line the announcers mentioned as being inaccurate was actually quite close to accurate. It was the chains that were wrong.

There IS something going on. People counter that argument with, "Well, they get downgrade refs who mess up, which lessons their chances from officiating the playoffs and maybe a super bowl." That may be true, but the $500,000 bonus given after retirement for letting a certain team win is also true.

Crax wrote: Actually, the chains were setup wrong and only 9 yards apart which is a complete WTF by itself. The chain is exactly 10 yards long, it's pretty weird that it wasn't just an inch or two off because the guy didn't pull it tight, but a full yard.

Check this thread: http://www.vikingsmessageboard.com/view ... =1&t=26806 for picture evidence showing the chains 9 yards apart. The red line the announcers mentioned as being inaccurate was actually quite close to accurate. It was the chains that were wrong.

Checked it out and yeah, there was definitely something screwy there. But the pictures only show the unofficial 1st down marker on that side of the field, not the official chains which were on the other side of the field. I wonder if the official chains marked it at the 18 instead of the 17. The 1st down marker on the side of the field in the pictures just lines up with the official chains, so I don't think he would have been a full yard off the official spot.

To add to this post, check out how the Patriots were treated yesterday. This stuff is real.

yezzir wrote:To add to this post, check out how the Patriots were treated yesterday. This stuff is real.

So if it is rigged and the NFL wants the Pats to win, then how do you explain the non-call PI on Gronkowski at the end of the NE-CAR game a couple weeks ago? As long as humans officiate the games there will always be bad/missed calls in every game, especially when penalties such as PI are subjective to interpretation.

Purple Reign wrote: So if it is rigged and the NFL wants the Pats to win, then how do you explain the non-call PI on Gronkowski at the end of the NE-CAR game a couple weeks ago?

http://www.vikingsmessageboard.com/view ... 4&start=30

Purple Reign wrote: So if it is rigged and the NFL wants the Pats to win, then how do you explain the non-call PI on Gronkowski at the end of the NE-CAR game a couple weeks ago? As long as humans officiate the games there will always be bad/missed calls in every game, especially when penalties such as PI are subjective to interpretation.

I would say, at certain times, refs are given opportunities to make calls that may sway the game. They might not be told to "make this team win", but more so, "If you get the chance, we kinda wanna go this way". There are too many WAY too obvious calls that are completely missed, even after being reviewed, for me to believe otherwise.

Edit to add comment about video posted above: I wasn't specifically saying the Patriots always get all questionable calls. My main point is that there are too many ridiculous calls even after reviews that are terrible for me to believe corruption doesn't exist. Especially when those calls mainly help the teams which hold the most interest/fan base.

"Minnesota Vikings coach Leslie Frazier received a phone call from the NFL on Monday morning to discuss officiating in Sunday's loss at the Baltimore Ravens. "The fact that they called should give you an indication of how they felt," Frazier said"

A.K.A. The Non-apology Apology.

Purple Reign wrote: Checked it out and yeah, there was definitely something screwy there. But the pictures only show the unofficial 1st down marker on that side of the field, not the official chains which were on the other side of the field. I wonder if the official chains marked it at the 18 instead of the 17. The 1st down marker on the side of the field in the pictures just lines up with the official chains, so I don't think he would have been a full yard off the official spot.

No matter how you look at it, the Ravens were given 1st and 9. I posted another image in the link showing approximately where the LOS marker was. But if it were at the 18, the Ravens clearly are lined up at the 17 (and it was officially marked at the 17 via NFL.com), so either way you're shaving a yard off the Ravens drive.

Purple Reign wrote: Checked it out and yeah, there was definitely something screwy there. But the pictures only show the unofficial 1st down marker on that side of the field, not the official chains which were on the other side of the field. I wonder if the official chains marked it at the 18 instead of the 17. The 1st down marker on the side of the field in the pictures just lines up with the official chains, so I don't think he would have been a full yard off the official spot.

The ball on 1st down is clearly in line with the chains in the picture and right about the 17. The other side of the field doesn't really matter in this case as the ref signaled the first down on the pictured side of the field standing next to the chain in question. If the official chains on the other side of the field were at the 18, then it was a completely bad spot as you can clearly see the ball at about the 17 on 1st down. They went from the 17 as pictured on 1st down to the 8 after 3rd down. The ball never moved 10 yards. As I said earlier, how in the world does the chain guy screw that up? An inch or two, sure, but he literally must have had a #### load of slack in that chain to be 3 feet short.

Crax wrote:
The ball on 1st down is clearly in line with the chains in the picture and right about the 17. The other side of the field doesn't really matter in this case as the ref signaled the first down on the pictured side of the field standing next to the chain in question. If the official chains on the other side of the field were at the 18, then it was a completely bad spot as you can clearly see the ball at about the 17 on 1st down. They went from the 17 as pictured on 1st down to the 8 after 3rd down. The ball never moved 10 yards. As I said earlier, how in the world does the chain guy screw that up? An inch or two, sure, but he literally must have had a #### load of slack in that chain to be 3 feet short.

What I'm trying to point out is that the guy running the 1st down marker in the pictures is only a 1st down marker (not the official chains) for reference and he doesn't have a 'chain'. The official chains are on the other side of the field and not shown, so I don't think you can blame the guy holding the 1st down marker in the picture. Of course if we had a picture of the official chains on the other side, then we could determine for sure who really was at fault. If the official chains were set correctly, then yeah, it would be the guy in the pictures that would be at fault. But it is possible the official chains were set at the 18 instead of the 17. Either way, the chain gang messed up - just don't know if it was the official chains on the other side of the field or the guy holding the 1st down marker in the pictures.

saint33 wrote: No matter how you look at it, the Ravens were given 1st and 9. I posted another image in the link showing approximately where the LOS marker was. But if it were at the 18, the Ravens clearly are lined up at the 17 (and it was officially marked at the 17 via NFL.com), so either way you're shaving a yard off the Ravens drive.

Not disputing that at all, I just would like to know if it was the official chains on the other side of the field that is marked incorrectly or the unofficial 1st down guy.

Also, a lot of people are blaming the refs for the chains not being correct. I think it is a little unfair to blame the refs, you would think the chain gang should be able to mark the chains correctly after a 1st down. I seriously doubt the refs double check to make sure the chains are set correctly after every 1st down.