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From Gregg Rosenthal:

Making a case for Adrian Peterson's return to Vikings

There's no breaking news at the link. Rosenthal just makes the same case we've basically made here.

Honestly, there isn't anything to add but the emoticon. Go fishing and come back in a few weeks for the draft.

To the poster asking if Peterson was keeping in shape.

@CharlesRobinson Wherever Adrian Peterson ends up, he looks like he has lived in the gym the last six months. His arms look like he could rip a keg in half.

@TomPelissero #Vikings GM Rick Spielman told Adrian Peterson's agent, Ben Dogra, tonight the team won't release him. No surprise but that's off the table.

@TomPelissero If #Vikings were going to cut Peterson and get nothing, it would've happened in September. They want to keep him. AP still has concerns.

dead_poet wrote:

It sounds like it's time for him to get over those concerns, earn freakin' millions and play football for the Vikings.

Amen to that, Jim.

From Mike Garafolo:

Ben Dogra wrote in a text, "It was important for me to relay the position the Vikings are taking to Adrian. I want to make sure there is absolutely no confusion whatsoever."

That makes it sound like Dogra was the one who told Pelissero the Vikings won't be releasing Peterson. I wonder if that came after Peterson's camp asked for his release.

Vikings28 wrote:From Mike Garafolo:
That makes it sound like Dogra was the one who told Pelissero the Vikings won't be releasing Peterson. I wonder if that came after Peterson's camp asked for his release.

And I am wondering why he wants to make that so clear to the media and fans...

Is Dogra making a point to let media know the Vikings wont release Peterson so in order for him to get a chance somewhere else, he must publicly announce his wish for a trade? Or atleast use it as the main excuse for why Adrian would do so, Vikings are "forcing adrians hand" kinda thing?

The above would only make sense if his team DID actually ask for him to be released. By the way some nerve they would have to ask for his release after the vikings paid him pretty much all season as a sign of loyalty and respect!

BUT WITH ALL THAT SAID, I am starting to lean toward AP playing in Minny next season. Still not sure though what the hell is going through his head or how he even can come to the conclusion any of this is the franchise's fault. Thats ignorance at it's finest IMO. They could have cut him just like the Ravens did with Rice, and like the Panthers did with Hardy.

Sorry for rambling often, just the only place i get to talk football.

Vikings28 wrote:From Mike Garafolo:
That makes it sound like Dogra was the one who told Pelissero the Vikings won't be releasing Peterson. I wonder if that came after Peterson's camp asked for his release.

It certainly sounds like the prelude to a standoff but if Dogra expects that to elicit any sympathy, he's barking up the wrong tree. There's absolutely no reason whatsoever the Vikings should be expected to simply release Adrian Peterson at this point. If Peterson wants out, he obviously has the right to ask for a trade or release but since he's under contract, he has no right to simply expect it.

I'd sure like to know what Peterson heard went on within the organization that has him so concerned about playing for them again.

Mothman wrote:I'd sure like to know what Peterson heard went on within the organization that has him so concerned about playing for them again.

Oh man, no kidding. Because other than the Warren situation I have no idea what it could be. To me, the fact that the Vikings were willing to play Peterson before the public backlash and now with everyone within the organization publicly supporting him there's just nothing there that should be cause for concern (unless Warren was acting as a representative entity of a larger organizational tactic, which is probable. However, as long as Peterson is done being an idiot and doesn't put the Vikings in that situation again that forced them to respond the way they did, there's no reason to be paranoid/concerned).

I still think this is more agent-driven to avoid being asked to restructure ("Look, Adrian, if we make a show about how you were 'mistreated' and certain members of the organization 'worked against you', in the public then there's no way they'll now ask you for a pay cut because they'll think, and rightfully so, that we'll raise holy hell and demand a trade after such an insult and show of dis-appreciation."). If it is Peterson, it may simply be a case of a guy with so much hubris that he believes should be treated as above everyone else and if not he's going to be upset, which would seem a bit out of character for him to an extent (at least as a professional football player is concerned). I mean, until this he's been the ultimate professional. I really want to also know what caused his agent and the Vikings brass to get all worked up in public confrontation when they had to be separated. Was that the agent acting on Adrian's behalf at the conversation or just the agent being a jerk? Who knows.

Right now it looks like it's the Vikings or the Cardinals. I'd imagine with the Cowboys signing Hardy (which is another topic) that the Cardinals (if they have an offer on the table) won't be budging from that price if they're essentially bidding against themselves. I'd be shocked if something happened before the draft now, though I wouldn't rule out something happening on draft day even if I find that a bit unlikely itself.

Mothman wrote: It certainly sounds like the prelude to a standoff but if Dogra expects that to elicit any sympathy, he's barking up the wrong tree. There's absolutely no reason whatsoever the Vikings should be expected to simply release Adrian Peterson at this point. If Peterson wants out, he obviously has the right to ask for a trade or release but since he's under contract, he has no right to simply expect it.

I'd sure like to know what Peterson heard went on within the organization that has him so concerned about playing for them again.

This is a play for more guaranteed money.

Dorgra and Peterson have been playing this "we lost $10 million" card a lot lately, referring to the supposed loss of endorsement money and six game checks. Peterson has no more guaranteed money after this year, so they're basically telling the Vikings that they want Peterson's 2016 salary to be guaranteed. That's why Dogra is making such a point about the Vikings being unwilling to release AP. It's leverage. Because let's be honest ... the Cardinals can't afford AP, Dallas has big-time salary cap issues, and Peterson isn't going to take less money to play for a non-contender.

This is leverage, pure and simple. And it's working. I believe a restructuring of Peterson's contract that guarantees money for 2016 is imminent.

Only in the NFL can you beat your child and use the fallout as leverage for more money.

J. Kapp 11 wrote:This is a play for more guaranteed money.

Dorgra and Peterson have been playing this "we lost $10 million" card a lot lately, referring to the supposed loss of endorsement money and six game checks. Peterson has no more guaranteed money after this year, so they're basically telling the Vikings that they want Peterson's 2016 salary to be guaranteed. That's why Dogra is making such a point about the Vikings being unwilling to release AP. It's leverage. Because let's be honest ... the Cardinals can't afford AP, Dallas has big-time salary cap issues, and Peterson isn't going to take less money to play for a non-contender.

This is leverage, pure and simple. And it's working. I believe a restructuring of Peterson's contract that guarantees money for 2016 is imminent.

Only in the NFL can you beat your child and use the fallout as leverage for more money.

We're seeing the market forces of supply and demand at work!

I'm inclined to agree with you and Dead_Poet that this is largely a play to get more guaranteed money and/or avoid being asked to restructure for less money.

Regarding the confrontation between Brzezinski and Dogra: from what I understand, the former can be pretty difficult and I imagine an agent as successful as Dogra can be pretty hardheaded too. I wouldn't be surprised if Dogra was acting on peterson's behalf in that incident and being a jerk. I wouldn't be surprised Brzezinski was being a jerk as well.

I think we've all had more than enough of this.

Mothman wrote: We're seeing the market forces of supply and demand at work!

I'm inclined to agree with you and Dead_Poet that this is largely a play to get more guaranteed money and/or avoid being asked to restructure for less money.

Regarding the confrontation between Brzezinski and Dogra: from what I understand, the former can be pretty difficult and I imagine an agent as successful as Dogra can be pretty hardheaded too. I wouldn't be surprised if Dogra was acting on peterson's behalf in that incident and being a jerk. I wouldn't be surprised Brzezinski was being a jerk as well.

I think we've all had more than enough of this.

I hadn't heard that about Brezinski - Ben Leber was on the Power Trip morning show recently and said Rob is one of the most even-keeled front office guys that he's ever been around.


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Brezinski is regarded as one of the fairest and most polite guys in the league.
I am pretty much convinced that EVERYTHING that AP says and does during this whole mess is carefully scripted by his Agent. He has said very little and what he does say all serves his Lawyers need to position and manipulate the owner thru the media ( which will never happen, Ziggy doesnt care, just look how he dresses!). In the end, AP will have no choice but to serve out his contract with the Vikes. I just hopes he has the sense (GULP!) and personal honor to do his best and not dog it or become a locker room cancer.

frosted wrote:I hadn't heard that about Brezinski - Ben Leber was on the Power Trip morning show recently and said Rob is one of the most even-keeled front office guys that he's ever been around.

That might be true. I've read a few comments from columnists over the years suggesting Brzezinski can be pretty touchy when things aren't going his (the Vikings) way but the same can probably be said about just about anybody. Most people have a temper and I imagine a sports agent like Dogra is pretty good at pushing people's buttons.