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CharVike wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 10:31 pm

VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:21 pm
Your baseless negativity is off the charts. Your posts are borderline troll behavior. Last year we got Jefferson who could prove to be one of the best picks we ever made. This year maybe somebody else will join him among the great draft picks in Vikings history. Spielman does a very good job.

I'm not trying to troll anybody. If someone is happy with the job Rick is doing I'm ok with that. I've been in his corner. I've posted many positive stuff about him. We will see shortly how this draft turns out. And yes Jefferson was a fantastic pick. I even like E Smith. Cook is the best all around back we ever had. Great pick. I've said many times that Cousins is the best QB since Fran. Speilman got him. I backed Cousins when many said he's a bum. Rhodes was a great pick. He has missed as they all do. I'm not expecting to make a hit on every single pick. That's not fair. But I'm tired of going down for players. Samia blows but I liked the pick. It happens. I liked Trask and Mills much better than Mond. Mond might turn out better. I like Jones. Most feel he's a bum. We will find out in a few years. Most NFL execs didn't like Jones. Speilman got away from him. It's his call. Sometimes taking the guy that others turn there back on can work out. Other times it doesn't. IMO the 2nd round had some very good players. Many QBs and WRs were picked. That pushed quality down. That's only my thoughts. Speilman stated round 3 was premium. I don't agree with that. He's the pro and he should be right. I would have stacked up in round 2 that's all.

J. Kapp 11 wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 7:26 pm

CharVike wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 10:31 pm
I'm not trying to troll anybody. If someone is happy with the job Rick is doing I'm ok with that. I've been in his corner. I've posted many positive stuff about him. We will see shortly how this draft turns out. And yes Jefferson was a fantastic pick. I even like E Smith. Cook is the best all around back we ever had. Great pick. I've said many times that Cousins is the best QB since Fran. Speilman got him. I backed Cousins when many said he's a bum. Rhodes was a great pick. He has missed as they all do. I'm not expecting to make a hit on every single pick. That's not fair. But I'm tired of going down for players. Samia blows but I liked the pick. It happens. I liked Trask and Mills much better than Mond. Mond might turn out better. I like Jones. Most feel he's a bum. We will find out in a few years. Most NFL execs didn't like Jones. Speilman got away from him. It's his call. Sometimes taking the guy that others turn there back on can work out. Other times it doesn't. IMO the 2nd round had some very good players. Many QBs and WRs were picked. That pushed quality down. That's only my thoughts. Speilman stated round 3 was premium. I don't agree with that. He's the pro and he should be right. I would have stacked up in round 2 that's all.

I’m gonna disagree with you about Round 2.

Only one QB, Kyle Trask, was taken in the second round, not “many QBs.” And he was taken with the very last pick of the round.

As for WRs, it’s not a position of need for the Vikings, certainly not to the degree of giving up draft capital to move into the second round.

Here’s how I see it. We got the guy we wanted in Darrisaw. We traded back and still got him, and in exchange, we got two thirds, which we turned into Mond and Davis. I honestly don’t see how that’s not one of the best moves of the entire draft.

J. Kapp 11 wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 8:55 am

Maelstrom88 wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 4:56 pm

That kid could make the team. Ricky was a good player for a long time.

The Vikings obviously think he can make the team. They're guaranteeing $100,000 of his salary and have paid him a $15,000 bonus.

Here's Dane Brugler's scouting report from "The Beast," a comprehensive guide to virtually every NFL prospect in college football.

Blake Proehl was a three-year starter at Providence High School, setting personal-bests as a senior with 52 catches for 1,016 yards and 12 touchdowns. A two-star recruit, he was the No. 397-ranked receiver in the 2017 class and committed to East Carolina (over Virginia Tech), but missed the 2017 season due to an ACL tear. Proehl returned in 2018 and was a three-year starter, leading the team in receiving yards in 2020. His father (Ricky) was a third-round pick (No. 58 overall) in the 1990 NFL Draft and played 17 years in the NFL, winning two Super Bowls. Proehl is a detailed, crisp route-runner, but has a tough time shaking man-coverage and wasn’t much of a threat after the catch. While he displays natural tracking ability and hand-eye coordination, he doesn’t have the size to win in contested situations. Overall, Proehl doesn’t consistently play up to his testing numbers, but he gravitates towards space to get open and uses quick, accepting hands to snare the ball.

He's just shy of 6-2, 190 pounds. Runs 4.4up.Yeah the 40, although his dad claims high 4.3s. Vertical is 36 inches.

Brugler had him rated as a priority free agent.

I wonder how Adam Thielen's "Beast" report read because this sounds eerily familiar.

CharVike wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 10:57 pm

J. Kapp 11 wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 7:26 pm
I’m gonna disagree with you about Round 2.

Only one QB, Kyle Trask, was taken in the second round, not “many QBs.” And he was taken with the very last pick of the round.

As for WRs, it’s not a position of need for the Vikings, certainly not to the degree of giving up draft capital to move into the second round.

Here’s how I see it. We got the guy we wanted in Darrisaw. We traded back and still got him, and in exchange, we got two thirds, which we turned into Mond and Davis. I honestly don’t see how that’s not one of the best moves of the entire draft.

I never said many QBs were taken in round 2. They were taken in round 1 and pushed guys into round 2. I'm off the draft stuff it is what it is at this point. We will see how it works out.

J. Kapp 11 wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 7:26 pm

CharVike wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 10:31 pm
I'm not trying to troll anybody. If someone is happy with the job Rick is doing I'm ok with that. I've been in his corner. I've posted many positive stuff about him. We will see shortly how this draft turns out. And yes Jefferson was a fantastic pick. I even like E Smith. Cook is the best all around back we ever had. Great pick. I've said many times that Cousins is the best QB since Fran. Speilman got him. I backed Cousins when many said he's a bum. Rhodes was a great pick. He has missed as they all do. I'm not expecting to make a hit on every single pick. That's not fair. But I'm tired of going down for players. Samia blows but I liked the pick. It happens. I liked Trask and Mills much better than Mond. Mond might turn out better. I like Jones. Most feel he's a bum. We will find out in a few years. Most NFL execs didn't like Jones. Speilman got away from him. It's his call. Sometimes taking the guy that others turn there back on can work out. Other times it doesn't. IMO the 2nd round had some very good players. Many QBs and WRs were picked. That pushed quality down. That's only my thoughts. Speilman stated round 3 was premium. I don't agree with that. He's the pro and he should be right. I would have stacked up in round 2 that's all.

I’m gonna disagree with you about Round 2.

Only one QB, Kyle Trask, was taken in the second round, not “many QBs.” And he was taken with the very last pick of the round.

As for WRs, it’s not a position of need for the Vikings, certainly not to the degree of giving up draft capital to move into the second round.

Here’s how I see it. We got the guy we wanted in Darrisaw. We traded back and still got him, and in exchange, we got two thirds, which we turned into Mond and Davis. I honestly don’t see how that’s not one of the best moves of the entire draft.

fiestavike wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 12:39 pm

J. Kapp 11 wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 7:26 pm
I’m gonna disagree with you about Round 2.

Only one QB, Kyle Trask, was taken in the second round, not “many QBs.” And he was taken with the very last pick of the round.

As for WRs, it’s not a position of need for the Vikings, certainly not to the degree of giving up draft capital to move into the second round.

Here’s how I see it. We got the guy we wanted in Darrisaw. We traded back and still got him, and in exchange, we got two thirds, which we turned into Mond and Davis. I honestly don’t see how that’s not one of the best moves of the entire draft.

I think it was a good trade back, but I am in the tiny minority that believes trading back in more often than not a wise move.

Last year was certainly an exception given that there wound up being no offseason, which makes it mighty hard have 'competition' and to analyze your picks heading into the season.

fiestavike wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 12:39 pm

J. Kapp 11 wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 7:26 pm
I’m gonna disagree with you about Round 2.

Only one QB, Kyle Trask, was taken in the second round, not “many QBs.” And he was taken with the very last pick of the round.

As for WRs, it’s not a position of need for the Vikings, certainly not to the degree of giving up draft capital to move into the second round.

Here’s how I see it. We got the guy we wanted in Darrisaw. We traded back and still got him, and in exchange, we got two thirds, which we turned into Mond and Davis. I honestly don’t see how that’s not one of the best moves of the entire draft.

I think it was a good trade back, but I am in the tiny minority that believes trading back in more often than not a wise move.

Last year was certainly an exception given that there wound up being no offseason, which makes it mighty hard have 'competition' and to analyze your picks heading into the season.

VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 4:24 pm

fiestavike wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 12:39 pm

I think it was a good trade back, but I am in the tiny minority that believes trading back in more often than not a wise move.

Last year was certainly an exception given that there wound up being no offseason, which makes it mighty hard have 'competition' and to analyze your picks heading into the season.

Trading up or down is always a risk. Trade up and you risk giving up assets for a guy you could have had standing pat. Trade down and you risk missing out on a better player. Rick took the risk and got the player plus the assets. In this case it proved to be a genius move.

fiestavike wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 9:38 am

VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 4:24 pm
Trading up or down is always a risk. Trade up and you risk giving up assets for a guy you could have had standing pat. Trade down and you risk missing out on a better player. Rick took the risk and got the player plus the assets. In this case it proved to be a genius move.

The risk is that your scouting is bad, but there is generally no risk in trading up or trading down given one puts faith in their player rankings. If you don't put faith in your player rankings, you may as well throw a dart at a board. Basically, teams place prospects in tiers. If there are 10 guys in left in the same tier when its your turn to pick, you can afford to trade back 9 spots and know you will get one of ten players you have ranked equally. If you are ten picks away from your selection and your tier has 9 players remaining, you may need to trade up in order to avoid missing out on that tier.

Basically, the only risk is a public relations one based on the optics of fans.

VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 11:33 am

fiestavike wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 9:38 am

The risk is that your scouting is bad, but there is generally no risk in trading up or trading down given one puts faith in their player rankings. If you don't put faith in your player rankings, you may as well throw a dart at a board. Basically, teams place prospects in tiers. If there are 10 guys in left in the same tier when its your turn to pick, you can afford to trade back 9 spots and know you will get one of ten players you have ranked equally. If you are ten picks away from your selection and your tier has 9 players remaining, you may need to trade up in order to avoid missing out on that tier.

Basically, the only risk is a public relations one based on the optics of fans.

Trading at all absolutely comes with risk. However, no risk = no reward. Tiers are BS. You don't draft a tier. You draft a player. If you're drafting a tier than as you say your scouting is bad. If you have 10 players ranked equally your scouting is bad.

fiestavike wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 4:39 pm

VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 11:33 am
Trading at all absolutely comes with risk. However, no risk = no reward. Tiers are BS. You don't draft a tier. You draft a player. If you're drafting a tier than as you say your scouting is bad. If you have 10 players ranked equally your scouting is bad.

VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 8:48 pm

fiestavike wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 4:39 pm

If that's what you have to contribute to this debate you're not worth reading any more. Ignore time.