Vikings/Packers post-game thread

[fiestavike]

I think you need to hit the pillow and sleep it off. No matter what people think, Cousins, at the time, WAS the best option. Keenum was dreadful last year and they threw the towel in on him for Joe Flacco. The redskins signed him as a stop gap. That’s what he will he is a forever stop gap/back up. Miss him all you want, he’s not a good QB and was a horrible fit for Flips pass happy system. Oh and teddy, looked pathetic. No different than he did last year in a mop up game vs a Carolina team that was out of the playoffs. Bradford is Bradford. If case Keenum was any good, don’t you think teams would really be going after him? But no, nobody trusts him, he’s been on 2 different teams in 2 years and will soon be benched for Haskins.

Keenum was not the answer, but a good game manager, ala a healthy version of Alex Smith, and this team is contending for a title this year. In the end, Cousins is merely a stop gap as well. A flashier model, but still a stop gap QB.

[fiestavike]

The Vikings should have challenged that goal line pick for defensive PI. King pushed off...not sure if anyone else noticed that. At least it puts more obvious heat on the refs if they don't overturn it like they did the Vikings TD.

I saw that as well. The turnover is an automatic review but it sure looked like he pushed off to me. Of course, he could have challenged DPI and as we know, if that was there, they should have called it on the review.

Yes, it seemed that they did review it and simply didn't notice it.

[PacificNorseWest]

The Vikings should have challenged that goal line pick for defensive PI. King pushed off...not sure if anyone else noticed that. At least it puts more obvious heat on the refs if they don't overturn it like they did the Vikings TD.

I saw that as well. The turnover is an automatic review but it sure looked like he pushed off to me. Of course, he could have challenged DPI and as we know, if that was there, they should have called it on the review.

True...I'm still frustrated.

[StumpHunter]

I was in the Vikings' corner when they signed Cousins. And honestly, after last year's first Green Bay game, I thought it was the best free-agent signing in a long time for us. But boy, has he disappointed ever since. It's just baffling. He's capable of making really great plays, like that amazing completion to Beebe and that dime he dropped to Diggs. But he just makes so many dumba$$ throws, and in the worst possible moments. He missed Diggs twice on deep passes where Stefon had a step. He underthrew Thielen when HE had a step. And the red-zone pick ... just abysmal.

Honest to God, I'm missing Case Keenum more by the day.

I think you need to hit the pillow and sleep it off. No matter what people think, Cousins, at the time, WAS the best option. Keenum was dreadful last year and they threw the towel in on him for Joe Flacco. The redskins signed him as a stop gap. That’s what he will he is a forever stop gap/back up. Miss him all you want, he’s not a good QB and was a horrible fit for Flips pass happy system. Oh and teddy, looked pathetic. No different than he did last year in a mop up game vs a Carolina team that was out of the playoffs. Bradford is Bradford. If case Keenum was any good, don’t you think teams would really be going after him? But no, nobody trusts him, he’s been on 2 different teams in 2 years and will soon be benched for Haskins.

Cousins pissed a lot of fans off today, including myself, but ya know what, so did this team. Mike zimmer pissed me off with his horrid calls early on, Rhodes pissed me off with his off coverage, our DEs pissed me off because they lost contain all game, Diggs pissed me off with his helmet penalty and lazy route on the overthrow (yes it was a lazy route. The announcer even called him out for it. He hit his break half as# and had to then sprint to try and catch it. He hits his route at full speed and that’s a catch. My dad actually called me right after that play and said that was lazy on Diggs part and he’s not even a vikes fan), thielen pissed me off today on nearly the same route as Diggs and it almost got picked (he went for a post, plants his foot and jogs, then looks back to Cousins and realized the ball was coming his way. Go back and watch the replay if you don’t believe Mr. Minnesota took a play off), Dan Bailey pissed me off today, Rudy pissed me off today with a terrible blocking effort on the long XP and so on. Nobody wants to say a damn word about the pathetic first quarter we had defensively. One of the worst I can remember. But since Kirk didnt save us from a 21-0 deficit, we’re done with him?

Bottom line is, A LOT of guys didn’t do their job today, Cousins included. And no he was not the reason we lost. The team was the reason we lost. Everyone outside of a few, failed today. We’re the better football team. Everyone tries to point a finger, primarily at Cousins for nearly every loss. The fricken team loses together or the team wins together. Figure it the fuc# out and take care of business next week

Nope, it was pretty much all Cousins today. The kicker sucked too, but that only cost us 4 in a game we lost by 5. The defense didn't stop Green Bay twice to start out the game. It happens, especially against a brand new Packer offense that was difficult to prepare for. Then Cousins basically gave them another score with one of his "unlucky" fumbles. He doesn't do that, maybe the Vikings hold the Packers on the next drive after Zim is able to adjust to an offense he hadn't seen before this game?

Then Cousins continued to suck, and suck, and suck. All he needed to do today was not turn the ball over and manage the game while Cook carried the offense and he couldn't even manage that.

It is inexcusable, and throwing blame around isn't going to change the fact that Cousins is continuing the pattern that we saw last year. Good against bad teams, bad against good.

You were right about Jackson btw. I think he would have been a good fit in our offense, just like you said before the draft. It is looking more and more like he was the best QB available that off season, at a fraction of the cost of our current QB.

[J. Kapp 11]

I was in the Vikings' corner when they signed Cousins. And honestly, after last year's first Green Bay game, I thought it was the best free-agent signing in a long time for us. But boy, has he disappointed ever since. It's just baffling. He's capable of making really great plays, like that amazing completion to Beebe and that dime he dropped to Diggs. But he just makes so many dumba$$ throws, and in the worst possible moments. He missed Diggs twice on deep passes where Stefon had a step. He underthrew Thielen when HE had a step. And the red-zone pick ... just abysmal.

Honest to God, I'm missing Case Keenum more by the day.

I think you need to hit the pillow and sleep it off. No matter what people think, Cousins, at the time, WAS the best option. Keenum was dreadful last year and they threw the towel in on him for Joe Flacco. The redskins signed him as a stop gap. That’s what he will he is a forever stop gap/back up. Miss him all you want, he’s not a good QB and was a horrible fit for Flips pass happy system. Oh and teddy, looked pathetic. No different than he did last year in a mop up game vs a Carolina team that was out of the playoffs. Bradford is Bradford. If case Keenum was any good, don’t you think teams would really be going after him? But no, nobody trusts him, he’s been on 2 different teams in 2 years and will soon be benched for Haskins.

Cousins pissed a lot of fans off today, including myself, but ya know what, so did this team. Mike zimmer pissed me off with his horrid calls early on, Rhodes pissed me off with his off coverage, our DEs pissed me off because they lost contain all game, Diggs pissed me off with his helmet penalty and lazy route on the overthrow (yes it was a lazy route. The announcer even called him out for it. He hit his break half as# and had to then sprint to try and catch it. He hits his route at full speed and that’s a catch. My dad actually called me right after that play and said that was lazy on Diggs part and he’s not even a vikes fan), thielen pissed me off today on nearly the same route as Diggs and it almost got picked (he went for a post, plants his foot and jogs, then looks back to Cousins and realized the ball was coming his way. Go back and watch the replay if you don’t believe Mr. Minnesota took a play off), Dan Bailey pissed me off today, Rudy pissed me off today with a terrible blocking effort on the long XP and so on. Nobody wants to say a damn word about the pathetic first quarter we had defensively. One of the worst I can remember. But since Kirk didnt save us from a 21-0 deficit, we’re done with him?

Bottom line is, A LOT of guys didn’t do their job today, Cousins included. And no he was not the reason we lost. The team was the reason we lost. Everyone outside of a few, failed today. We’re the better football team. Everyone tries to point a finger, primarily at Cousins for nearly every loss. The fricken team loses together or the team wins together. Figure it the fuc# out and take care of business next week

Sorry dude. I respect you a lot. But the inescapable truth is that Kirk Cousins was by far the worst player on our offense today. I've been incredibly fair to him since he's been here ... more fair than I probably should have been. As a matter of fact, within the past 20 minutes on this board, I have given him credit for some great plays he made today. But he also blew it today when it mattered. Yeah, maybe Diggs ran a lazy route. He didn't run a lazy route on the OTHER overthrow Kirk had to him. Nor was Thielen lazy on the underthrown pass to him when he had his man beat, or the overthrow on the sideline in the second half when Cousins had a clean pocket and missed Thielen by 10 yards.

And that last pick ... think about if he doesn't make that boneheaded throw, and we punch it into the end zone and win the game. If that happens, it's a heck of a lot easier to live with the other pick, the two fumbles, and the poorly thrown passes. Matter of fact, if we punch it in and win the game, we're probably not even talking about how poorly he played.

And for the record, Keenum is playing pretty darned well for a bad Washington team. No matter what you think of him, Case Keenum played his butt off for us in 2017. You can legitimately question whether that play was sustainable, but the fact that he played well for us that season is inarguable.

[Mothman]

Cousins is getting paid like a top 5 QB,but he rarely delivers like one. We will have to live with him though as his contract has a strangle hold on the salary cap, he has a very limited pocket presence and seems skittish in big games.

Plus, in true Spielman style, there's nobody on the roster who appears to offer a better short or long term future at QB (unless someone thinks Mannion fits that description).

[fiestavike]

Cousins is getting paid like a top 5 QB,but he rarely delivers like one. We will have to live with him though as his contract has a strangle hold on the salary cap, he has a very limited pocket presence and seems skittish in big games.

Plus, in true Spielman style, there's nobody on the roster who appears to offer a better short or long term future at QB (unless someone thinks Mannion fits that description).

Sloter!...oh wait

[fiestavike]

Cousins is getting paid like a top 5 QB,but he rarely delivers like one. We will have to live with him though as his contract has a strangle hold on the salary cap, he has a very limited pocket presence and seems skittish in big games.

Plus, in true Spielman style, there's nobody on the roster who appears to offer a better short or long term future at QB (unless someone thinks Mannion fits that description).

Seriously, the Vikings need to trade up and draft a QB in the upcoming draft. We can't go through 2020 with Cousins as both the present and the future.

[Mothman]

Plus, in true Spielman style, there's nobody on the roster who appears to offer a better short or long term future at QB (unless someone thinks Mannion fits that description).

Seriously, the Vikings need to trade up and draft a QB in the upcoming draft. We can't go through 2020 with Cousins as both the present and the future.

Agreed but I don't think they'd be wise to give Spielman another chance to crack that particular egg.

[StumpHunter]

Cousins is getting paid like a top 5 QB,but he rarely delivers like one. We will have to live with him though as his contract has a strangle hold on the salary cap, he has a very limited pocket presence and seems skittish in big games.

Plus, in true Spielman style, there's nobody on the roster who appears to offer a better short or long term future at QB (unless someone thinks Mannion fits that description).

Sloter wasn't that either, if that was what you are getting at. I hope you aren't one of those.

Project QBs are not the solution for the Vikings QB problems. They need to draft a guy, in the first, and keep spending 1sts on QBs until they get their franchise QB. Not every draft, but when a talented QB is available in the 1st they have to take a shot on them. No more trading away 1sts for below average starting QBs. No more passing on guys because you have a loser locked up for 84 million.

Draft a damn QB already.

[halfgiz]

We needed a solid performance from Cousins today and he come through with a 53 QBR.
Cook put on a heck of a show today just to bad we lost.
How do we get and extra point blocked.

Will also say the Bears know how to win games. Nice under a minute score from both teams.

Rick has had plenty of chances for a decent QB....still waiting.

[VikingPaul73]

Cousins is getting paid like a top 5 QB,but he rarely delivers like one. We will have to live with him though as his contract has a strangle hold on the salary cap, he has a very limited pocket presence and seems skittish in big games.

Plus, in true Spielman style, there's nobody on the roster who appears to offer a better short or long term future at QB (unless someone thinks Mannion fits that description).

well said Mothman. exactly right.....unfortunately.

Maybe they will draft a QB once Slicky Ricky is GONE.....maybe after this year?????

[fiestavike]

https://walterfootball.com/draft2020QB.php

[Mothman]

Plus, in true Spielman style, there's nobody on the roster who appears to offer a better short or long term future at QB (unless someone thinks Mannion fits that description).

Sloter wasn't that either, if that was what you are getting at. I hope you aren't one of those.

I'm one of those who believes you should always have a young QB with great potential on the roster, that it's wise to always be developing good talent at the game's most important position. The Vikes have been absolutely terrible about this since Spielman came to the team.

I'm fine with drafting a QB in R1 if he really looks worth it (and that's where many of the best are found) but there are potential starters available after that too and a smart team should keep an eye out for those guys and try draft and develop them. For example, Wilson was a third round pick. Garoppalo was drafted late in the second round. Heck, Cousins was a 4th round pick. I don't see him as the solution but drafting and developing a player like that in R4 is a lot better than paying $84 million for him several years later.

The Vikings mismanage the QB position. It may be the defining characteristic of the Spielman era.

[Pondering Her Percy]

I think you need to hit the pillow and sleep it off. No matter what people think, Cousins, at the time, WAS the best option. Keenum was dreadful last year and they threw the towel in on him for Joe Flacco. The redskins signed him as a stop gap. That’s what he will he is a forever stop gap/back up. Miss him all you want, he’s not a good QB and was a horrible fit for Flips pass happy system. Oh and teddy, looked pathetic. No different than he did last year in a mop up game vs a Carolina team that was out of the playoffs. Bradford is Bradford. If case Keenum was any good, don’t you think teams would really be going after him? But no, nobody trusts him, he’s been on 2 different teams in 2 years and will soon be benched for Haskins.

Keenum was not the answer, but a good game manager, ala a healthy version of Alex Smith, and this team is contending for a title this year. In the end, Cousins is merely a stop gap as well. A flashier model, but still a stop gap QB.

Scratching my head here fiesta. I agree he wasn’t the answer but game manager? Maybe but nothing near Alex smith. Smith had some very solid years in this league. Keenum has one.....out of eight. And as someone mentioned on here, Cousins makes some amazing throws or bad throws. Did Keenum not do that? He was the king of making extremely stupid throws, more so than cousins. And I would say less great throws. “Great throws” for Keenum were throwing that stupid off balance lob he did all the time and thielen or Diggs making an insane catch. He made those throws against Washington that year and let them back in the game, he did it against Carolina, he did it against the saints in the playoffs and let them back in the game, he did it vs Philly. That’s not managing a game. That’s as terrible as cousins throw at the end of that game. But how often does cousins do that? I remember cousins did it against Detroit last year. Outside of that I don’t recall a ball he should have thrown away and threw a pick instead. But I will say, you’re right when it comes to him not being the answer. He hasn’t been for any team and never will be for any team. So I don’t understand why we even discuss it