Spielman gets an extension

[PurpleKoolaid]

I dont know if your on speed or if thats the way you type, and expect people to understand the point you are trying to make. Its annoying. You realize Case had the most wins out of the other bums Rick signed or drafted right? Rick has NO insight when it comes to QBs, he lucked on Case being a better backup than anyone thought.

So Case is the reason why we won 13 games. OK I got it. Since Rick has zero insight who do you suggest we get for a QB? I don't see one out there. Maybe someone else does. Hopefully that's more clear.

Thats the kind of question you think of BEFORE you let the QB situation constantly be out of hand. Its why some guys groom QBs, not try and buy one. That rarely happens, there just aernt many Peyton Mannings out there.

[Laserman]

None of this matters much in the end. Until Speilman and Zimmer address this offensive line we are going nowhere fast. These guys don't get it. Cousins can't do much running for his life.. this and poor tackeling technique by the LBs , Corners and safeteys are the biggest problems and I get the idea they aint gonna address anything, just draft Def Players and WRs.. If that is their plan they are gonna fail bigtime. The bears will destroy our Off line. If Zimmer fails to fix the Oline I will not be a Zimmer man any longer.

[Pondering Her Percy]

None of this matters much in the end. Until Speilman and Zimmer address this offensive line we are going nowhere fast. These guys don't get it. Cousins can't do much running for his life.. this and poor tackeling technique by the LBs , Corners and safeteys are the biggest problems and I get the idea they aint gonna address anything, just draft Def Players and WRs.. If that is their plan they are gonna fail bigtime. The bears will destroy our Off line. If Zimmer fails to fix the Oline I will not be a Zimmer man any longer.

We didn't draft any WRs last year. And how are safeties and CBs are biggest problems? We had a top 5 pass defense for like 3 years running now. So that opinion doesn't really carry much weight. Guys need to understand that you don't just build a great OL in 1 year. It takes time. O'Neill was a start. Thinking we can just land the 2 best OL in the draft with out first two picks is so unrealistic its not even funny. You want a stud OL like Quinton Nelson, you need to pick in the top 5-7. We haven't. So I'm not sure what you guys expect. O'Neill was a stud last year. Not the best run blocker but to land OL that excel in both areas are top 10 picks. Some of you are acting like they were just sitting there waiting for us and we passed up on them. O'Neill was the best pass blocker in the entire draft last year. And we got him in the 2nd round. Yes he was better than the beloved Will Hernandez. Every time I say, the value of Hughes and O'Neill vs. Hernandez and Jackson was much better IMO, guys don't respond to it. They just continue to complain that we didn't draft Hernandez or draft an offensive lineman in the first round. Who cares what round he was in, if we draft a guy that doesn't allow a single sack in over 500 pass blocking snaps in the 2nd round, we made a good fricken pick. Period.

Yeah, he's missed on picks, he's passed on players he could have taken. But the last two years, I like both the pick of Elflein and O'Neill. The fact that Elflein had a down year doesnt worry me. When you have Mike Remmers and Tom Compton on each side of you, it's hard to ever look good. I think Elflein is better suited at guard anyways. Hence why I had us drafting Jordan at C in the mock I just posted and moved Elflein to guard. If we drafted Hernandez and kept Remmers at RT and Reiff at LT, we wouldn't have the money to keep Barr. So we'd be forced to cut Remmers either way. So instead of having a hole at guard like we do, the hole would be at tackle. What is the difference? It works out better for us because the good guards are in the late first to late 3rd rounds so we can go a different direction at 18 if we want and still land a good guard. You guys are blowing this OL thing out of the water and the draft isn't even here. How about we see what Spielman does before we freak out?

[CharVike]

So Case is the reason why we won 13 games. OK I got it. Since Rick has zero insight who do you suggest we get for a QB? I don't see one out there. Maybe someone else does. Hopefully that's more clear.

Thats the kind of question you think of BEFORE you let the QB situation constantly be out of hand. Its why some guys groom QBs, not try and buy one. That rarely happens, there just aernt many Peyton Mannings out there.

He is grooming Sloter. Is that a waste of time? The Jags just bought Foles. Is that a great or horrible move? IMO what GM would sign an older backup for that kind of money? Maybe Elway. Beyond that why would the Eagles let him go for nothing? Not one poster has suggested a QB that Rick should/could get. And he lacks insight. Bottom line there is nothing available and we lack the draft capital to pick one that can step in day one. This short guy Murray is the top dog. What should Rick give up for him?

[StumpHunter]

None of this matters much in the end. Until Speilman and Zimmer address this offensive line we are going nowhere fast. These guys don't get it. Cousins can't do much running for his life.. this and poor tackeling technique by the LBs , Corners and safeteys are the biggest problems and I get the idea they aint gonna address anything, just draft Def Players and WRs.. If that is their plan they are gonna fail bigtime. The bears will destroy our Off line. If Zimmer fails to fix the Oline I will not be a Zimmer man any longer.

We didn't draft any WRs last year. And how are safeties and CBs are biggest problems? We had a top 5 pass defense for like 3 years running now. So that opinion doesn't really carry much weight. Guys need to understand that you don't just build a great OL in 1 year. It takes time. O'Neill was a start. Thinking we can just land the 2 best OL in the draft with out first two picks is so unrealistic its not even funny. You want a stud OL like Quinton Nelson, you need to pick in the top 5-7. We haven't. So I'm not sure what you guys expect. O'Neill was a stud last year. Not the best run blocker but to land OL that excel in both areas are top 10 picks. Some of you are acting like they were just sitting there waiting for us and we passed up on them. O'Neill was the best pass blocker in the entire draft last year. And we got him in the 2nd round. Yes he was better than the beloved Will Hernandez. Every time I say, the value of Hughes and O'Neill vs. Hernandez and Jackson was much better IMO, guys don't respond to it. They just continue to complain that we didn't draft Hernandez or draft an offensive lineman in the first round. Who cares what round he was in, if we draft a guy that doesn't allow a single sack in over 500 pass blocking snaps in the 2nd round, we made a good fricken pick. Period.

Yeah, he's missed on picks, he's passed on players he could have taken. But the last two years, I like both the pick of Elflein and O'Neill. The fact that Elflein had a down year doesnt worry me. When you have Mike Remmers and Tom Compton on each side of you, it's hard to ever look good. I think Elflein is better suited at guard anyways. Hence why I had us drafting Jordan at C in the mock I just posted and moved Elflein to guard. If we drafted Hernandez and kept Remmers at RT and Reiff at LT, we wouldn't have the money to keep Barr. So we'd be forced to cut Remmers either way. So instead of having a hole at guard like we do, the hole would be at tackle. What is the difference? It works out better for us because the good guards are in the late first to late 3rd rounds so we can go a different direction at 18 if we want and still land a good guard. You guys are blowing this OL thing out of the water and the draft isn't even here. How about we see what Spielman does before we freak out?

The offensive line was not good enough last season because of the GM. Oniel doesn't change that fact.

Remmers and Compton at guard were Spielman choices. Trying to re-sign Kahlil after 2016 was a Spielman choice. Signing Boone to a big contract then having to cutting him a year later because he sucked was on Rick. Oops, sorry, they cut him because he didn't restructure, not because he had a bad year in 2016 and came to camp completely out of shape. Signing a bad guard in Fusco to a big contract was on Rick.

IF Oniel and Elf become good offensive linemen they will be the only 2 Olinemen Rick will have drafted that were good picks. Out of how many drafts he finds two, maybe?

Face it, Rick's handling of the Oline is indefensible. Yet somehow you continue to defend it.

[StumpHunter]

Thats the kind of question you think of BEFORE you let the QB situation constantly be out of hand. Its why some guys groom QBs, not try and buy one. That rarely happens, there just aernt many Peyton Mannings out there.

He is grooming Sloter. Is that a waste of time? The Jags just bought Foles. Is that a great or horrible move? IMO what GM would sign an older backup for that kind of money? Maybe Elway. Beyond that why would the Eagles let him go for nothing? Not one poster has suggested a QB that Rick should/could get. And he lacks insight. Bottom line there is nothing available and we lack the draft capital to pick one that can step in day one. This short guy Murray is the top dog. What should Rick give up for him?

Sloter might make a serviceable backup someday. So yea, kind of a waste of time.The guy couldn't beat out Trevor Siemien in camp last season.

Foles will not work out in Jacksonville, similar to how Cousins hasn't worked out here. He is like a good relief pitcher, great in short spurts, horrible when the batters face him more than once, because he just doesn't have enough good pitches. At least Cousins has proven he can stay on the field for an entire season.

As mentioned before, Mahomes and Watson should have been options for this team, but Rick gave that chance away. Outside of that, Jackson got his team to the playoffs and the Ravens seem pretty happy with him. Jackson would have been cheaper and a better fit behind a suspect line last season. Heck, 5 million for Fitzmagic probably gets us to .500 last season, and saves us a lot of money.

Winning 8 games for 28 million when the next best could have only won 7 for much less does not mean you made the right decision at QB. Becoming a contender for the next decade does. Hopefully Cousins gets us there, but as of this moment, he was a bad signing.

[Pondering Her Percy]

We didn't draft any WRs last year. And how are safeties and CBs are biggest problems? We had a top 5 pass defense for like 3 years running now. So that opinion doesn't really carry much weight. Guys need to understand that you don't just build a great OL in 1 year. It takes time. O'Neill was a start. Thinking we can just land the 2 best OL in the draft with out first two picks is so unrealistic its not even funny. You want a stud OL like Quinton Nelson, you need to pick in the top 5-7. We haven't. So I'm not sure what you guys expect. O'Neill was a stud last year. Not the best run blocker but to land OL that excel in both areas are top 10 picks. Some of you are acting like they were just sitting there waiting for us and we passed up on them. O'Neill was the best pass blocker in the entire draft last year. And we got him in the 2nd round. Yes he was better than the beloved Will Hernandez. Every time I say, the value of Hughes and O'Neill vs. Hernandez and Jackson was much better IMO, guys don't respond to it. They just continue to complain that we didn't draft Hernandez or draft an offensive lineman in the first round. Who cares what round he was in, if we draft a guy that doesn't allow a single sack in over 500 pass blocking snaps in the 2nd round, we made a good fricken pick. Period.

Yeah, he's missed on picks, he's passed on players he could have taken. But the last two years, I like both the pick of Elflein and O'Neill. The fact that Elflein had a down year doesnt worry me. When you have Mike Remmers and Tom Compton on each side of you, it's hard to ever look good. I think Elflein is better suited at guard anyways. Hence why I had us drafting Jordan at C in the mock I just posted and moved Elflein to guard. If we drafted Hernandez and kept Remmers at RT and Reiff at LT, we wouldn't have the money to keep Barr. So we'd be forced to cut Remmers either way. So instead of having a hole at guard like we do, the hole would be at tackle. What is the difference? It works out better for us because the good guards are in the late first to late 3rd rounds so we can go a different direction at 18 if we want and still land a good guard. You guys are blowing this OL thing out of the water and the draft isn't even here. How about we see what Spielman does before we freak out?

The offensive line was not good enough last season because of the GM. Oniel doesn't change that fact.

Remmers and Compton at guard were Spielman choices. Trying to re-sign Kahlil after 2016 was a Spielman choice. Signing Boone to a big contract then having to cutting him a year later because he sucked was on Rick. Oops, sorry, they cut him because he didn't restructure, not because he had a bad year in 2016 and came to camp completely out of shape. Signing a bad guard in Fusco to a big contract was on Rick.

IF Oniel and Elf become good offensive linemen they will be the only 2 Olinemen Rick will have drafted that were good picks. Out of how many drafts he finds two, maybe?

Face it, Rick's handling of the Oline is indefensible. Yet somehow you continue to defend it.

Well you're contradicting yourself here. You're saying the OL is the way it is because of the GM but saying Adam Thielen isn't on this roster because of Rick Spielman but that's a whole different conversation in itself. But either way, I'm not sitting here defending it. I said that Spielman has missed on his picks and have passed on players in regards to the OL. Clearly you missed that part. My point is, in the last two years, he's far from "ignored" the OL. In 2017, he signed Reiff and Remmers both and drafted Elflein. And then last year drafted O'Neill. Where he missed was having way too much confidence with Remmers at guard after losing Berger to retirement. Easton was suppose to be back in the starting lineup. He didn't sign Compton to be the starter. But either way, that's two straight years of him drafting two OL in round 3 or higher and signing two OL to big money. That's not "ignoring". In previous years, yeah, I don't have a clue what he was doing or thinking. Clearly they are going to invest at the latest a 2nd-3rd round pick or more in the offensive line. Never have I seen the Vikings meet with this many OL before the draft. So I would say that's definitely a sign they are planning on drafting a few. I'm not saying I agree with the signings of Reiff and Remmers. I didn't mind Reiff but Remmers was a question mark. However, for free agency, that's about as good as you can do when you're looking for two tackles. Then add a center in the draft.

My point with O'Neill and Elflein is that it was a start to rebuilding this OL and he will continue that trend this year by the looks of it. I'm not saying just because he drafted those two he's in the clear. He still needs to draft good offensive lineman going forward. But bottom line is, he hasn't "ignored" it in the last two years. He dropped a lot of money and a 2nd and 3rd round pick. That's not ignoring anything. If he signed two LBs to big money and drafted one in the 2nd and 3rd in back to back years, would anyone say he's ignoring the LB position? No. He still has a ways to go to get this line up to par. O'Neill and Elflein were a start. Kline is a decent veteran presence to have to fill one guard hole for the time being, not a long term fix. But Reiff will need to go sooner than later. If you look at the mock I just posted, if that were our draft or something similar to that (from an OL perspective), we're really one starting OL short of getting to where I think we need to be. That leaves us with draft picks of O'Neill, Elflein, Risner and Jordan. With an OL like that, adding a guy like Kline or another middle of the road free agent in 2020 should set that OL up for a lot of success in the future given they all pan out. Like I said, let's see what Spielman does this year.

[fiestavike]

The offensive line was not good enough last season because of the GM. Oniel doesn't change that fact.

Remmers and Compton at guard were Spielman choices. Trying to re-sign Kahlil after 2016 was a Spielman choice. Signing Boone to a big contract then having to cutting him a year later because he sucked was on Rick. Oops, sorry, they cut him because he didn't restructure, not because he had a bad year in 2016 and came to camp completely out of shape. Signing a bad guard in Fusco to a big contract was on Rick.

IF Oniel and Elf become good offensive linemen they will be the only 2 Olinemen Rick will have drafted that were good picks. Out of how many drafts he finds two, maybe?

Face it, Rick's handling of the Oline is indefensible. Yet somehow you continue to defend it.

Well you're contradicting yourself here. You're saying the OL is the way it is because of the GM but saying Adam Thielen isn't on this roster because of Rick Spielman but that's a whole different conversation in itself. But either way, I'm not sitting here defending it. I said that Spielman has missed on his picks and have passed on players in regards to the OL. Clearly you missed that part. My point is, in the last two years, he's far from "ignored" the OL. In 2017, he signed Reiff and Remmers both and drafted Elflein. And then last year drafted O'Neill. Where he missed was having way too much confidence with Remmers at guard after losing Berger to retirement. Easton was suppose to be back in the starting lineup. He didn't sign Compton to be the starter. But either way, that's two straight years of him drafting two OL in round 3 or higher and signing two OL to big money. That's not "ignoring". In previous years, yeah, I don't have a clue what he was doing or thinking. Clearly they are going to invest at the latest a 2nd-3rd round pick or more in the offensive line. Never have I seen the Vikings meet with this many OL before the draft. So I would say that's definitely a sign they are planning on drafting a few. I'm not saying I agree with the signings of Reiff and Remmers. I didn't mind Reiff but Remmers was a question mark. However, for free agency, that's about as good as you can do when you're looking for two tackles. Then add a center in the draft.

My point with O'Neill and Elflein is that it was a start to rebuilding this OL and he will continue that trend this year by the looks of it. I'm not saying just because he drafted those two he's in the clear. He still needs to draft good offensive lineman going forward. But bottom line is, he hasn't "ignored" it in the last two years. He dropped a lot of money and a 2nd and 3rd round pick. That's not ignoring anything. If he signed two LBs to big money and drafted one in the 2nd and 3rd in back to back years, would anyone say he's ignoring the LB position? No. He still has a ways to go to get this line up to par. O'Neill and Elflein were a start. Kline is a decent veteran presence to have to fill one guard hole for the time being, not a long term fix. But Reiff will need to go sooner than later. If you look at the mock I just posted, if that were our draft or something similar to that (from an OL perspective), we're really one starting OL short of getting to where I think we need to be. That leaves us with draft picks of O'Neill, Elflein, Risner and Jordan. With an OL like that, adding a guy like Kline or another middle of the road free agent in 2020 should set that OL up for a lot of success in the future given they all pan out. Like I said, let's see what Spielman does this year.

Just looking at contracts, Reiff, Kline and O'Neill will be starting for the Vikings for at least the next two-three years barring injury. If Elflein, Isadora, or Edison can emerge this year, they'll have a bargain for the next couple years at one of the two remaining spots, but none of those contracts prevent them from aggressively pursuing an upgrade at C or LG over the next two years.

[Pondering Her Percy]

Well you're contradicting yourself here. You're saying the OL is the way it is because of the GM but saying Adam Thielen isn't on this roster because of Rick Spielman but that's a whole different conversation in itself. But either way, I'm not sitting here defending it. I said that Spielman has missed on his picks and have passed on players in regards to the OL. Clearly you missed that part. My point is, in the last two years, he's far from "ignored" the OL. In 2017, he signed Reiff and Remmers both and drafted Elflein. And then last year drafted O'Neill. Where he missed was having way too much confidence with Remmers at guard after losing Berger to retirement. Easton was suppose to be back in the starting lineup. He didn't sign Compton to be the starter. But either way, that's two straight years of him drafting two OL in round 3 or higher and signing two OL to big money. That's not "ignoring". In previous years, yeah, I don't have a clue what he was doing or thinking. Clearly they are going to invest at the latest a 2nd-3rd round pick or more in the offensive line. Never have I seen the Vikings meet with this many OL before the draft. So I would say that's definitely a sign they are planning on drafting a few. I'm not saying I agree with the signings of Reiff and Remmers. I didn't mind Reiff but Remmers was a question mark. However, for free agency, that's about as good as you can do when you're looking for two tackles. Then add a center in the draft.

My point with O'Neill and Elflein is that it was a start to rebuilding this OL and he will continue that trend this year by the looks of it. I'm not saying just because he drafted those two he's in the clear. He still needs to draft good offensive lineman going forward. But bottom line is, he hasn't "ignored" it in the last two years. He dropped a lot of money and a 2nd and 3rd round pick. That's not ignoring anything. If he signed two LBs to big money and drafted one in the 2nd and 3rd in back to back years, would anyone say he's ignoring the LB position? No. He still has a ways to go to get this line up to par. O'Neill and Elflein were a start. Kline is a decent veteran presence to have to fill one guard hole for the time being, not a long term fix. But Reiff will need to go sooner than later. If you look at the mock I just posted, if that were our draft or something similar to that (from an OL perspective), we're really one starting OL short of getting to where I think we need to be. That leaves us with draft picks of O'Neill, Elflein, Risner and Jordan. With an OL like that, adding a guy like Kline or another middle of the road free agent in 2020 should set that OL up for a lot of success in the future given they all pan out. Like I said, let's see what Spielman does this year.

Just looking at contracts, Reiff, Kline and O'Neill will be starting for the Vikings for at least the next two-three years barring injury. If Elflein, Isadora, or Edison can emerge this year, they'll have a bargain for the next couple years at one of the two remaining spots, but none of those contracts prevent them from aggressively pursuing an upgrade at C or LG over the next two years.

I think Elflein is a quality lineman. It’s just a matter of where is strength is at, center or left guard

[StumpHunter]

The offensive line was not good enough last season because of the GM. Oniel doesn't change that fact.

Remmers and Compton at guard were Spielman choices. Trying to re-sign Kahlil after 2016 was a Spielman choice. Signing Boone to a big contract then having to cutting him a year later because he sucked was on Rick. Oops, sorry, they cut him because he didn't restructure, not because he had a bad year in 2016 and came to camp completely out of shape. Signing a bad guard in Fusco to a big contract was on Rick.

IF Oniel and Elf become good offensive linemen they will be the only 2 Olinemen Rick will have drafted that were good picks. Out of how many drafts he finds two, maybe?

Face it, Rick's handling of the Oline is indefensible. Yet somehow you continue to defend it.

Well you're contradicting yourself here. You're saying the OL is the way it is because of the GM but saying Adam Thielen isn't on this roster because of Rick Spielman but that's a whole different conversation in itself. But either way, I'm not sitting here defending it. I said that Spielman has missed on his picks and have passed on players in regards to the OL. Clearly you missed that part. My point is, in the last two years, he's far from "ignored" the OL. In 2017, he signed Reiff and Remmers both and drafted Elflein. And then last year drafted O'Neill. Where he missed was having way too much confidence with Remmers at guard after losing Berger to retirement. Easton was suppose to be back in the starting lineup. He didn't sign Compton to be the starter. But either way, that's two straight years of him drafting two OL in round 3 or higher and signing two OL to big money. That's not "ignoring". In previous years, yeah, I don't have a clue what he was doing or thinking. Clearly they are going to invest at the latest a 2nd-3rd round pick or more in the offensive line. Never have I seen the Vikings meet with this many OL before the draft. So I would say that's definitely a sign they are planning on drafting a few. I'm not saying I agree with the signings of Reiff and Remmers. I didn't mind Reiff but Remmers was a question mark. However, for free agency, that's about as good as you can do when you're looking for two tackles. Then add a center in the draft.

My point with O'Neill and Elflein is that it was a start to rebuilding this OL and he will continue that trend this year by the looks of it. I'm not saying just because he drafted those two he's in the clear. He still needs to draft good offensive lineman going forward. But bottom line is, he hasn't "ignored" it in the last two years. He dropped a lot of money and a 2nd and 3rd round pick. That's not ignoring anything. If he signed two LBs to big money and drafted one in the 2nd and 3rd in back to back years, would anyone say he's ignoring the LB position? No. He still has a ways to go to get this line up to par. O'Neill and Elflein were a start. Kline is a decent veteran presence to have to fill one guard hole for the time being, not a long term fix. But Reiff will need to go sooner than later. If you look at the mock I just posted, if that were our draft or something similar to that (from an OL perspective), we're really one starting OL short of getting to where I think we need to be. That leaves us with draft picks of O'Neill, Elflein, Risner and Jordan. With an OL like that, adding a guy like Kline or another middle of the road free agent in 2020 should set that OL up for a lot of success in the future given they all pan out. Like I said, let's see what Spielman does this year.

Being lucky enough to have one of the best WRs in the NFL be from your state and go undrafted does not contradict the fact Spielman has done a horrible job addressing the Oline. I am not sure why you think it does.

Possibly finding one or two good Oline prospects in nearly a decade as GM is pathetic. Especially considering how poorly his FA acquisitions have played. He is just horrible at evaluating oline talent, and I don't think that will suddenly change with this year's draft.

[CharVike]

He is grooming Sloter. Is that a waste of time? The Jags just bought Foles. Is that a great or horrible move? IMO what GM would sign an older backup for that kind of money? Maybe Elway. Beyond that why would the Eagles let him go for nothing? Not one poster has suggested a QB that Rick should/could get. And he lacks insight. Bottom line there is nothing available and we lack the draft capital to pick one that can step in day one. This short guy Murray is the top dog. What should Rick give up for him?

Sloter might make a serviceable backup someday. So yea, kind of a waste of time.The guy couldn't beat out Trevor Siemien in camp last season.

Foles will not work out in Jacksonville, similar to how Cousins hasn't worked out here. He is like a good relief pitcher, great in short spurts, horrible when the batters face him more than once, because he just doesn't have enough good pitches. At least Cousins has proven he can stay on the field for an entire season.

As mentioned before, Mahomes and Watson should have been options for this team, but Rick gave that chance away. Outside of that, Jackson got his team to the playoffs and the Ravens seem pretty happy with him. Jackson would have been cheaper and a better fit behind a suspect line last season. Heck, 5 million for Fitzmagic probably gets us to .500 last season, and saves us a lot of money.

Winning 8 games for 28 million when the next best could have only won 7 for much less does not mean you made the right decision at QB. Becoming a contender for the next decade does. Hopefully Cousins gets us there, but as of this moment, he was a bad signing.

The blame goes across the board. The NFL is a true team sport. What did Ryan and Rodgers, who make more, do for there teams? Zero. We hit some bad breaks last year. The death of the OL coach certainly didn't help. How do you expect Speilman or any GM to prepare for that? I know a good GM would have known. We ran the ball great so why even pass that much. We did the opposite. Terrible coaching. I know this is Speilman's fault no doubt. But with all the injuries and other stuff we were still fighting for a playoff spot the last game. The NFL is going to a QB running trend because there is nothing else available. There is a shortage of QBs. IMO if we stay healthy we will play some good football and contend. If Cook, who is good, can't play the full schedule again then we will be in trouble. If Hunter goes down we will be in trouble. That stuff needs to be avoided. No GM has a roster that is double stacked with stars. If Cousins goes down it's over. Unless you know of a backup we can get that is as good as he is. Guess what it isn't there.

[Pondering Her Percy]

Well you're contradicting yourself here. You're saying the OL is the way it is because of the GM but saying Adam Thielen isn't on this roster because of Rick Spielman but that's a whole different conversation in itself. But either way, I'm not sitting here defending it. I said that Spielman has missed on his picks and have passed on players in regards to the OL. Clearly you missed that part. My point is, in the last two years, he's far from "ignored" the OL. In 2017, he signed Reiff and Remmers both and drafted Elflein. And then last year drafted O'Neill. Where he missed was having way too much confidence with Remmers at guard after losing Berger to retirement. Easton was suppose to be back in the starting lineup. He didn't sign Compton to be the starter. But either way, that's two straight years of him drafting two OL in round 3 or higher and signing two OL to big money. That's not "ignoring". In previous years, yeah, I don't have a clue what he was doing or thinking. Clearly they are going to invest at the latest a 2nd-3rd round pick or more in the offensive line. Never have I seen the Vikings meet with this many OL before the draft. So I would say that's definitely a sign they are planning on drafting a few. I'm not saying I agree with the signings of Reiff and Remmers. I didn't mind Reiff but Remmers was a question mark. However, for free agency, that's about as good as you can do when you're looking for two tackles. Then add a center in the draft.

My point with O'Neill and Elflein is that it was a start to rebuilding this OL and he will continue that trend this year by the looks of it. I'm not saying just because he drafted those two he's in the clear. He still needs to draft good offensive lineman going forward. But bottom line is, he hasn't "ignored" it in the last two years. He dropped a lot of money and a 2nd and 3rd round pick. That's not ignoring anything. If he signed two LBs to big money and drafted one in the 2nd and 3rd in back to back years, would anyone say he's ignoring the LB position? No. He still has a ways to go to get this line up to par. O'Neill and Elflein were a start. Kline is a decent veteran presence to have to fill one guard hole for the time being, not a long term fix. But Reiff will need to go sooner than later. If you look at the mock I just posted, if that were our draft or something similar to that (from an OL perspective), we're really one starting OL short of getting to where I think we need to be. That leaves us with draft picks of O'Neill, Elflein, Risner and Jordan. With an OL like that, adding a guy like Kline or another middle of the road free agent in 2020 should set that OL up for a lot of success in the future given they all pan out. Like I said, let's see what Spielman does this year.

Being lucky enough to have one of the best WRs in the NFL be from your state and go undrafted does not contradict the fact Spielman has done a horrible job addressing the Oline. I am not sure why you think it does.

Possibly finding one or two good Oline prospects in nearly a decade as GM is pathetic. Especially considering how poorly his FA acquisitions have played. He is just horrible at evaluating oline talent, and I don't think that will suddenly change with this year's draft.

Because you keep going back to prior 2017. I keep referring to the last two years. I’ve already mentioned he’s had massive misses and neglect prior to that. However his trend of late has been finding solid offensive lineman in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. And clearly you aren’t paying attention to who they have been hosting on visits. I’ll say it again, never have I seen us workout and interview this many offensive lineman in the pre draft process. Ever. So given that he’s gone OL fairly early the last two years and given how many offensive lineman they’ve been meeting with, why wouldn’t it point to them taking an offensive lineman or two early in this draft? And there are a lot of good ones to pick from. No less we have the flexibility to go with any position we want along the OL

And I don’t understand how you continue to think that Thielen being from Minnesota has anything to do with him being on this team or Spielman getting “lucky”. I’ve already proved to you that your look on it all is completely false because the whole process of Spielman signing and keeping him for as long as he did has ZERO reasoning behind it that he was only kept because he was from Minnesota. And for whatever reasoning, you want to fight that. Yeah sure, he was from Minnesota but it has nothing to do with him being on this roster. I couldn’t possibly pull up anymore evidence to prove that that was completely false.

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Being lucky enough to have one of the best WRs in the NFL be from your state and go undrafted does not contradict the fact Spielman has done a horrible job addressing the Oline. I am not sure why you think it does.

Possibly finding one or two good Oline prospects in nearly a decade as GM is pathetic. Especially considering how poorly his FA acquisitions have played. He is just horrible at evaluating oline talent, and I don't think that will suddenly change with this year's draft.

Because you keep going back to prior 2017. I keep referring to the last two years. I’ve already mentioned he’s had massive misses and neglect prior to that. However his trend of late has been finding solid offensive lineman in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. And clearly you aren’t paying attention to who they have been hosting on visits. I’ll say it again, never have I seen us workout and interview this many offensive lineman in the pre draft process. Ever. So given that he’s gone OL fairly early the last two years and given how many offensive lineman they’ve been meeting with, why wouldn’t it point to them taking an offensive lineman or two early in this draft? And there are a lot of good ones to pick from. No less we have the flexibility to go with any position we want along the OL

And I don’t understand how you continue to think that Thielen being from Minnesota has anything to do with him being on this team or Spielman getting “lucky”. I’ve already proved to you that your look on it all is completely false because the whole process of Spielman signing and keeping him for as long as he did has ZERO reasoning behind it that he was only kept because he was from Minnesota. And for whatever reasoning, you want to fight that. Yeah sure, he was from Minnesota but it has nothing to do with him being on this roster. I couldn’t possibly pull up anymore evidence to prove that that was completely false.

I'm sorry but Rick owns his whole record of offensive failures all the years he has been GM.
His trend of late as finding solid offensive linemen I guess we have different opinions.
You would think all the misses he has had he should at least get one right.

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Because you keep going back to prior 2017. I keep referring to the last two years. I’ve already mentioned he’s had massive misses and neglect prior to that. However his trend of late has been finding solid offensive lineman in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. And clearly you aren’t paying attention to who they have been hosting on visits. I’ll say it again, never have I seen us workout and interview this many offensive lineman in the pre draft process. Ever. So given that he’s gone OL fairly early the last two years and given how many offensive lineman they’ve been meeting with, why wouldn’t it point to them taking an offensive lineman or two early in this draft? And there are a lot of good ones to pick from. No less we have the flexibility to go with any position we want along the OL

And I don’t understand how you continue to think that Thielen being from Minnesota has anything to do with him being on this team or Spielman getting “lucky”. I’ve already proved to you that your look on it all is completely false because the whole process of Spielman signing and keeping him for as long as he did has ZERO reasoning behind it that he was only kept because he was from Minnesota. And for whatever reasoning, you want to fight that. Yeah sure, he was from Minnesota but it has nothing to do with him being on this roster. I couldn’t possibly pull up anymore evidence to prove that that was completely false.

I'm sorry but Rick owns his whole record of offensive failures all the years he has been GM.
His trend of late as finding solid offensive linemen I guess we have different opinions.
You would think all the misses he has had he should at least get one right.

I would say finding an offensive lineman in the 2nd round that goes his entire rookie year without giving up a single sack is finding a solid offensive lineman. So whatever your opinion is on Oniell is your opinion but not giving up a sack your rookie year in over 500 pass blocking snaps is often unheard of. He was the 4th lineman to ever do it in their rookie season. As for Elflein, he was solid his rookie season. Last year he slumped and I continue to say when you have Compton and Remmers on each side of you it’s hard to look good. We will see this year with him and if he gets back to form. But let me guess, you were on the Hernandez train during last years draft? It’s not like Hernandez drastically improved the giants offensive line. If at all. So whether it was Hernandez or O’Neill, it doesn’t matter. It’s just Hernandez would have had the label of “first round lineman” that so many seem to be attached to if we drafted him. I don’t care what round they are drafted is, as long as they can perform. And that’s exactly what O’Neill do. He drastically surpassed anyone’s expectations of him. In a way I hope Spielman opens up the draft with two offensive lineman in the first two rounds because it would be crickets on here if that happened. Either way, they are going after offensive lineman hard in this draft. They’ve visited with nearly every top prospect you can think of. They’ve never done that before. So I’m not sitting here defending Spielman. I have mentioned many times that prior to 2017 there was missed and neglect there. But he’s started to put a lot more attention towards it and that’s even more obvious this year given who they have worked out. We will see come draft day

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I'm sorry but Rick owns his whole record of offensive failures all the years he has been GM.
His trend of late as finding solid offensive linemen I guess we have different opinions.
You would think all the misses he has had he should at least get one right.

I would say finding an offensive lineman in the 2nd round that goes his entire rookie year without giving up a single sack is finding a solid offensive lineman. So whatever your opinion is on Oniell is your opinion but not giving up a sack your rookie year in over 500 pass blocking snaps is often unheard of. He was the 4th lineman to ever do it in their rookie season. As for Elflein, he was solid his rookie season. Last year he slumped and I continue to say when you have Compton and Remmers on each side of you it’s hard to look good. We will see this year with him and if he gets back to form. But let me guess, you were on the Hernandez train during last years draft? It’s not like Hernandez drastically improved the giants offensive line. If at all. So whether it was Hernandez or O’Neill, it doesn’t matter. It’s just Hernandez would have had the label of “first round lineman” that so many seem to be attached to if we drafted him. I don’t care what round they are drafted is, as long as they can perform. And that’s exactly what O’Neill do. He drastically surpassed anyone’s expectations of him. In a way I hope Spielman opens up the draft with two offensive lineman in the first two rounds because it would be crickets on here if that happened. Either way, they are going after offensive lineman hard in this draft. They’ve visited with nearly every top prospect you can think of. They’ve never done that before. So I’m not sitting here defending Spielman. I have mentioned many times that prior to 2017 there was missed and neglect there. But he’s started to put a lot more attention towards it and that’s even more obvious this year given who they have worked out. We will see come draft day

I feel that Rick should have replaced Berger when he retired. Converting Remmer's instead of replacing Berger, we all know how that worked out. I feel with a decent guard we would have had a chance to make the playoffs last season....go far probably not.

O' Neil was drafted, and figured on as a project...He surprised a lot of people with his rookie season.
He gave up some pressures and his weakness was run blocking. The rest of the line was giving up the sacks.
If Rick does well this year with the offensive line I think the credit could go to Kubiak for showing Rick what to look for after all of his misses.


This season is going to be a big year to see how most of the line plays.