Who's better than the Vikings?

[fiestavike]

Honestly, it isn't that big of a mystery imo.

First and foremost, both Rodgers and Lacy were legitimately just off there game, no way around that. (Lacy had a lingering ankle injury, but he seems to have one every year.)

But the injuries to our WR core put it over the top, Jordy out, Adams nursing an injury all season that kept him out a few games as well, Cobb nursing an AC joint sprain, Montgomery dealing with a lingering injury until finally being dealt a season ending blow, it was a big #### fest at WR until finally as you may have seen in the playoffs we were down to Jeff Janis and Jared Abbredaris as our top two starters. (Who played admirably in that last playoff game, I might add.)

Rodgers did look like he hadn't been sleeping. He looked haggard and terrible last season. My take is that he is a deeply unhappy/lonely person. I fear his post football career might be even more grim. I give him a lot of guff on here just to rile up Jordy, but I honestly feel sorry for the guy.

[Jordysghost]

I think he means the Packers. There are a lot of rumors circulating saying GB is interested in Forte, according to the media talking heads.

Do you know anything about that? Would it be a good fit?

Really? Interesting, thanks for sharing, I haven't been into the news much since the SB.

Honestly, I both think and hope they are just doin due dilligence, which I am sure they are.

I'd absolutely LOVE Forte at the right price, LOVE it, but unfortunately, I think somone is going to be willing to pay starter money for him, and we already have astarter, a starter who averaged more ypc, more yards after contact, and more broken tackles consistently throughout the duration of their overlapping time in the league.

For instance, Lacy averaged 4.7 ypc on a bum ankle throughout the duration of Aaron Rodgers injury in 2013, where he was constantly facing loaded boxex and Defenses that identified him as the biggest remaining threat on Offense, Forte averaged 3.9 ypc the majority of his career, if you put him in that situation I seriously don't know if he averages 3.0 ypc, Forte is not a powerful dude, and often has serious issues picking up short yardage situations.

As a replacement to Starks? Oh #### yea, but I think he will be to expensive of a pick up.

[Jordysghost]

Rodgers did look like he hadn't been sleeping. He looked haggard and terrible last season. My take is that he is a deeply unhappy/lonely person. I fear his post football career might be even more grim. I give him a lot of guff on here just to rile up Jordy, but I honestly feel sorry for the guy.

Lol, I don't know about that, he always has kind of seemed like that, save for when he gets decidedly fired up, he looked like he was half asleep in SB 45, and him yawning in the 4th quarter when it was a 3 point game says alot about the type of person he is to me.

[losperros]

Really? Interesting, thanks for sharing, I haven't been into the news much since the SB.

Honestly, I both think and hope they are just doin due dilligence, which I am sure they are.

I'd absolutely LOVE Forte at the right price, LOVE it, but unfortunately, I think somone is going to be willing to pay starter money for him, and we already have astarter, a starter who averaged more ypc, more yards after contact, and more broken tackles consistently throughout the duration of their overlapping time in the league.

For instance, Lacy averaged 4.7 ypc on a bum ankle throughout the duration of Aaron Rodgers injury in 2013, where he was constantly facing loaded boxex and Defenses that identified him as the biggest remaining threat on Offense, Forte averaged 3.9 ypc the majority of his career, if you put him in that situation I seriously don't know if he averages 3.0 ypc, Forte is not a powerful dude, and often has serious issues picking up short yardage situations.

As a replacement to Starks? Oh #### yea, but I think he will be to expensive of a pick up.

Thanks for the info. Who knows? Maybe the Pack wants to strengthen their RB depth as much as possible.

You have to admit that a Lacy/Forte RB combination with Aaron Rodgers and the GB receivers would give defensive coordinators headaches.

[Mothman]

You have to admit that a Lacy/Forte RB combination with Aaron Rodgers and the GB receivers would give defensive coordinators headaches.

... if not nightmares.

[jackal]

Not to mention Lacy is 35 pounds overweight at least.. I would closer to 60 pounds based on his picture from last season.

Forte has always been good at playing smart and getting first downs for the bears

[Jordysghost]

Not to mention Lacy is 35 pounds overweight at least.. I would closer to 60 pounds based on his picture from last season.

Forte has always been good at playing smart and getting first downs for the bears

Lacy's weight while a factor, is greatly overstated, he didn't look any bigger last year then in years prior, people have always been on him for his build despite him never lacking the type of speed you would want from your starting RB, Lacy is expected to break tackles, but the thing that makes me so optimistic about his potential as a RB is his ability to hit the edge, quick feet and shiftiness, its pretty amazing that a guy that size's signature move is a spin move.

As for the prospect of Lacy vs Forte as runners, Lacy wins virtually every way, for all the crap Lacy gets over last year, they were both at a respectable 4.1 ypc, I'd love to hear somone make a case for Forte over Lacy as runner cause really, there isn't much if anything to suggest that.

[PacificNorseWest]

Lacy's weight isn't overstated, in my opinion. Your body has a higher propensity of breaking and wearing down with excess weight like that and, I mean, his own head coach is demanding that he lose 30 pounds prior to training camp. And it doesn't sound optional. Word was that if he doesn't meet that goal, he'll be cut. There's a reason for that.

[Jordysghost]

Lacy's weight isn't overstated, in my opinion. Your body has a higher propensity of breaking and wearing down with excess weight like that and, I mean, his own head coach is demanding that he lose 30 pounds prior to training camp. And it doesn't sound optional. Word was that if he doesn't meet that goal, he'll be cut. There's a reason for that.

I didn't say it was completely invalid, just overstated, he didn't actually 'look' much bigger then he ever had, for his entire career he has and will face questions about his weight whenever his game isn't at the top of what it could be.

That said, yea, I do believe Lacy needs to lose weight, but even last year he trugglelugged his fatass to a 4.1 ypc.

[jackal]

I didn't say it was completely invalid, just overstated, he didn't actually 'look' much bigger then he ever had, for his entire career he has and will face questions about his weight whenever his game isn't at the top of what it could be.

That said, yea, I do believe Lacy needs to lose weight, but even last year he trugglelugged his fatass to a 4.1 ypc.

No dude he was way bigger this last season. I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't over 285 lbs last year.. I know he will be a bigger
back, but not that big..

[Jordysghost]

No dude he was way bigger this last season. I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't over 285 lbs last year.. I know he will be a bigger
back, but not that big..

No, he did not look 'way bigger'. That is your opinion and something that cant be proven incorrect, but I seriously doubt that you thinking that has to do with reality and not moreso a conception based on hearing how 'fat' Lacy is jammed into your head over and over.

Don't misunderstand me, he was/is overweight, that is a fact that is backed up by the HC no less, but he has gotten the same criticism his entire career since coming out of HS, and in last years case I feel any real, evident, tangible difference in appearance was quite benign.

As to your comment about not expecting him to be 'that big..' Lets be real here. Yea, Lacy was overweight last season, but even then, we have seen bigger backs, Ickey Woods and Jerome Bettis both come to mind.

[halfgiz]

I would say Eddie beefed up just a tad.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100000 ... -firestorm

[Mothman]

This seems like hyperbole to me but it's encouraging nonetheless:

Could Vikings be a 'bully' in the NFC over next five years?

The Vikings’ young talent undoubtedly played a major role in the team’s run to a NFC North championship. Does that mean that Mike Zimmer’s squad is set up for a bright future over the next five seasons?

Two former NFL scouts, Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks, believe the Vikings roster has the brightest future in the league.

During the NFL Network’s Move the Sticks episode on Wednesday, Jeremiah and Brooks drafted what they considered to be the best NFL rosters for the next five seasons based on young potential and Brooks selected the Vikings No. 1.

“I believe the Minnesota Vikings are positioned to be a team that’s going to be a bully in the NFC for a long time,” Brooks said. “When you look at the building blocks that they have in place, all that young and dynamic (talent), but you still have the veteran presence in Adrian Peterson.

“Adrian Peterson gives me that security of knowing I can run the ball, I can play physical football and control the clock, and I kind of put my stamp on the brand in terms of how we’re going to play with a physicality and toughness.”

Brooks is OK with quarterback Teddy Bridgewater operating as a game manager after the Vikings proved this approach can be successful.

There's more at the link and the Move the Sticks episode is here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmO73DC ... e=youtu.be

[Jordysghost]

This seems like hyperbole to me but it's encouraging nonetheless:

Could Vikings be a 'bully' in the NFC over next five years?
There's more at the link and the Move the Sticks episode is here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmO73DC ... e=youtu.be

Im not sure about a 'bully', but i think the Vikings are definitely set up for a bright next five years for sure.