Thoughts about the debacle

[TSonn]

Hall of fame QB and current analyst Troy Aikman made no mention of Teddy holding the ball too much today. If there's anyone who knows the difference between dancing around the pocket too much and a crap offensive line, it's Troy.

[VikingLord]

That starts with good protection. The OL, TE's and RB's have to get a lot better in pass protection.

Sure it does, but it finishes with a guy who can hit guys deep who are wide open. Bridgewater consistently misses on deep throws. He reminds me of the QB version of Troy Williamson, to be honest.

Can't play it safe all the time in the NFL. The Vikings have some decent receivers now. They have a RB that defenses focus on. Bridgewater might not be getting a great pocket all the time, but then again, neither is Rodgers, Brees, Rivers, and several other QBs who are doing a MUCH better job of getting the ball down the field and putting it in the endzone.

Honestly, it's pointless to even argue about this, because in the end it will be self-evident if this is the best Bridgewater can do.

[mosscarter]

the reality is the much better team won. we have the toughest remaining schedule down the stretch, now we'll see what we are made of. did anyone in here actually believe we were a legitimate 7-2 team? i laughed all week when people asked me about today's game. i said green bay will destroy us and they did. you can whine over the refs, but the real problem is our offense is pathetic. i'm open to all answers, can someone please explain to me what qualities teddy bridgewater possesses to name him a "franchise qb" because i don't see hardly any. does it concern anyone that winston threw for 5 td's today and mariota threw for 4 in his first game? and yet, after 21 career starts teddy has yet to throw for 3 td's in a single game????? and you expect us to be able to beat arron rodgers? there is your answer. that is why we are not good enough and bridgewater simply isn't good enough. he is average, but against the rodger's, brees, mannings, brady's, big ben's, that isn't going to cut it. in fact, i'd take stafford or cutler over bridgewater. i know the line is bad, but he performed better last year under an even worse line. i suspect a bad finish, we don't have a top tier qb in what is a passing league.

[Boon]

you can whine over the refs

We can, thanks for the approval. You can't march a team down the field which ends up in a TD, at a highly pivotal point in the game where it's 9-6 and not say they didn't affect the outcome. The PI call on newman was legit. The double cancelling out flags where joseph "roughed" Rodgers was the turning point in the game. That was a hold on the offense, which would have shoved them back to the 45 yard line. The grounding on Rodgers, which wasn't called, would have made it 3rd and like 25 vs 3rd and 10. They ended up with a td on that too.

I'm not watching another Vikings/packers game until that assface Rodgers retires, I'm not even kidding. Tired of that stupid team and their fanboy referees

[mosscarter]

boon bridgewater has performed like garbage the majority of this year, but go ahead and use the refs as a scapegoat. doesn't it bother you that even down by 14 bridgewater still couldn't throw for another td? they totally opened the offense up to allow him to pass the ball and he couldn't do a thing. this guy is our number 1 problem, not the refs. teddy isn't even a middle tier qb.

[losperros]

Green Bay exposed all the aspects of this team that have worried me this season: run defense, inability to sustain and finish drives on offense, poor blocking... they even had a big return on special teams.

I'm frustrated with the Vikings coaching staff, the players... the whole team. They were defeated by a substantial margin even though they forced... what? 5 field goals? All of that with Rodgers and open receivers repeatedly failing to connect. This could easily have been a 30 point blowout win for the Packers. Considering what was on the line, it was a very disappointing performance by the Vikings.

You took the words right out of my mouth, Jim. Every weakness of the Vikings team got exposed tonight. It's clear to me that the Vikings may be improved over last season but they still don't know how to win a big game. Not with all the fixes that they need.

The passing attack is still a disappointment on a number of levels, though I'd say the pass blocking was the most painful to watch. It was about as bad as I've ever seen it this season, plus they couldn't block worth a hoot for AD either. And Peterson didn't exactly have his best game either.

The coaching took a hit as well. There was unlikely play-calling, what looked like a gap in preparation for this game, and an overall lack of discipline from top to bottom.

[Jordysghost]

We can, thanks for the approval. You can't march a team down the field which ends up in a TD, at a highly pivotal point in the game where it's 9-6 and not say they didn't affect the outcome. The PI call on newman was legit. The double cancelling out flags where joseph "roughed" Rodgers was the turning point in the game. That was a hold on the offense, which would have shoved them back to the 45 yard line. The grounding on Rodgers, which wasn't called, would have made it 3rd and like 25 vs 3rd and 10. They ended up with a td on that too.

I'm not watching another Vikings/packers game until that assface Rodgers retires, I'm not even kidding. Tired of that stupid team and their fanboy referees

There was a missed grounding on Bridge too, just sayin..

Ill once again invite you to come discuss the calls with me, though im pretty sure you don't want to hear any counterarguments, I still find it courteous to extend the offer to you.

[J. Kapp 11]

boon bridgewater has performed like garbage the majority of this year, but go ahead and use the refs as a scapegoat. doesn't it bother you that even down by 14 bridgewater still couldn't throw for another td? they totally opened the offense up to allow him to pass the ball and he couldn't do a thing. this guy is our number 1 problem, not the refs. teddy isn't even a middle tier qb.

Did you even watch the game?

When he didn't have three GB linemen in his face, he made the right read and put the ball on target. That included a deep ball to Wallace, who coasted on the play until he realized, "Oh crap, I'm actually open ... better run." The SELF-proclaimed "fastest man in the NFL" got overthrown by "rag arm" Bridgewater.

This was the offensive line laying an egg, the run defense getting gashed, and a rash of penalties. Poor quarterback play did not cost us this game. Take off your I-hate-Teddy glasses, and you'll see that.

[mosscarter]

again, i'm curious as to how anyone can label bridgewater a franchise qb? please enlighten me. the last time we actually stood up to green bay was when we had favre. they have a real qb and we don't it is pretty simple. you want to blame the refs? Kahil had 3 holding penalties in the first half and was a top 5 pick. newman, last week's defensive player of the week, had 50 penalty yards on one play (and not to mention the horrible coverage against jones on the td). the refs didn't lose this game we got crushed.

[mosscarter]

kapp did you watch the game and are you even aware of wallace's career numbers? you mean to tell me that all of the sudden a receiver that always has around 1,000 yds a year and 7 to 10 td's a year suddenly comes to minnesota and has 1 td catch all year. 1 td catch? ryan freaking tannehill connected to him on 10 last year. take off your glasses.

[J. Kapp 11]

There was a missed grounding on Bridge too, just sayin..

Ill once again invite you to come discuss the calls with me, though im pretty sure you don't want to hear any counterarguments, I still find it courteous to extend the offer to you.

Maybe not the time to argue with Vikings fans, Jordy. You're not doing anything wrong, but you can't win today. While I can't speak for every Vikings fan, I'm pretty sure most would say they absolutely loathe your team, especially at this moment.

[J. Kapp 11]

kapp did you watch the game and are you even aware of wallace's career numbers? you mean to tell me that all of the sudden a receiver that always has around 1,000 yds a year and 7 to 10 td's a year suddenly comes to minnesota and has 1 td catch all year. 1 td catch? ryan freaking tannehill connected to him on 10 last year. take off your glasses.

Explain to me how he managed to get overthrown on that route. He had his man beat, but he was coasting, that's how. He also had yet another drop.

Bridgewater hit 10 different receivers today, so he will obviously throw it to whoever is open. The fact that Mike Wallace only caught one ball looks like a failure (yet again) on his part, not Bridgewater's.

And don't kid yourself. Miami wanted Wallace gone.

[J. Kapp 11]

again, i'm curious as to how anyone can label bridgewater a franchise qb? please enlighten me. the last time we actually stood up to green bay was when we had favre. they have a real qb and we don't it is pretty simple. you want to blame the refs? Kahil had 3 holding penalties in the first half and was a top 5 pick. newman, last week's defensive player of the week, had 50 penalty yards on one play (and not to mention the horrible coverage against jones on the td). the refs didn't lose this game we got crushed.

You just gave two excellent reasons we lost today, and neither had anything to do with Bridgewater.

Reality check ... better get used to Teddy Bridgewater. He ain't going anywhere.

[mosscarter]

okay so you are talking about the 1 time we actually threw a deep ball today? let me wrap my mind around this because we were up against arron rodgers and we threw down the field deep once all day? well, there is a reason for that and i think its time viking fans start to realize we have a qb who simply cannot do that. and you are right wallace dropped a pass early on, but that deep ball was overthrown come on. randy moss would have come up with that catch, but that's about it. whether or not miami wanted wallace gone is irrelevant to anything i'm saying. he came to minnesota with a good attitude and hasn't said anything of the field at all. what about charles johnson too? i suppose its his fault that he hasn't performed better. the problem is our qb wake up.

[losperros]

Can't play it safe all the time in the NFL. The Vikings have some decent receivers now. They have a RB that defenses focus on. Bridgewater might not be getting a great pocket all the time, but then again, neither is Rodgers, Brees, Rivers, and several other QBs who are doing a MUCH better job of getting the ball down the field and putting it in the endzone.

Honestly, it's pointless to even argue about this, because in the end it will be self-evident if this is the best Bridgewater can do.

I agree with the above, Edward. There are all kinds of strange dynamics at work with this passing game. Seriously, the entire passing attack feels as if it's being improvised on the spot after the ball is snapped despite the safe approach that's clearly being utilized by both Bridgewater and Turner.

The Bridgewater to Wallace connection simply isn't working. Not at all, regardless how one looks at it. Teddy overthrowing Wallace on deep routes is an issue. But honestly, sometimes Wallace just doesn't hang onto the ball and I don't care what route we're talking about. I'm beginning to wonder if the Vikings should start Diggs and Charles Johnson, and maybe use Wallace as a backup. After all, there was chemistry between Bridgewater and Johnson last year, and Teddy and Diggs work well together now.

I question how the entire passing attack is being constructed. Not to keep knocking Wallace but is he really the only WR on the team that can get deep? Nope. Johnson can. He did it last season. Wright has done it. Heck, he even did it with Ponder throwing the ball. And I'll bet Patterson could as well. But maybe it doesn't matter because the entire offense seems to spaz out the moment a pass play is called. From the OL to the skill players, the ball gets snapped and everything goes out of synch.