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My biggest complaint about Frasier is how reluctant to change players who are struggling (Robinson, Cook, Marvin Mitchell, PONDER). I would be ok with retaining Frasier with the following conditions: His entire staff, except for the Special Teams coach, is dismissed; and, other coaches have the ability to "override" his personnel choices at certain points. That second point could be a bit dicey, and really, if the coordinators are doing their job, the system fits the players they have rather than the players being forced into schemes.positions they are uncomfortable in (Robinson, Henderson, the Oline).Mothman wrote:I think one of the things the Vikes have to consider very carefully here is whether they will be able to replace Frazier with a better coach if they choose to fire him. I have no idea if they can or not but they aren't in the most appealing situation to attract a new coach, particularly an experienced NFL HC with a good resumé (if that's what they want). They have an extremely unsettled QB situation, a poor defense, and they're heading outside to play in a college stadium for two years. They'll have plenty of money to spend in free agency so that might sweeten the deal but given all of the above, they aren't going to be the most attractive situation for free agents either.
Is this a time for stability at head coach or major changes? I imagine the Wilfs are asking themselves that question tonight at the family dinner CalVike referenced above.
Watching his press game conference and reading his body language, I think it's safe to say that he knows he's outjackal wrote:Hugging everyone in the tunnel convinced me
Frazier already has been told; he is gone.
I am really hoping for defensive minded HC,
or at least someone with at least enough league
contacts, to bring in a excellent staff.
People have talked up Priefer quite a bit. He's certainly had big hits and big misses. On special teams.Pondering Her Percy wrote:Curious to what everyone's take is on Mike Priefer (ST coach). Granted Patterson has had a great year but I also believe it's mostly because of Patterson's talent rather than Priefer's coaching.
My biggest problems with Priefer have to do with decision making and coverage.
For example:
-His decision to kick to Hester week 2 non-stop. We ended up giving up 263 return yards and it was a big reason why we lost that game.
-His lack of preparation vs a "tanking" Cleveland team. The fake FG and fake punt killed us and was another reason why we lost.
-His decision to kick to Harvin right after we score and when there is 50 seconds on the clock before half. Killed any kind of momentum we had going into half.
-His decision to kick to Hester a few weeks ago when the game was on the line, tied, and seconds to go before the end of regulation. Nearly lost us the game.
I really think we need a new STs coach as well. Who? I have no clue. But I think something needs to be done there. He's been blessed with gifted returners the past two years (CP and Percy). If anything, I think they made him look good.
I think he has been a lot better lately, have you ever considered that the offense was scaled back for Ponder? He has done a nice job in the last month getting the ball in CP84s hands.Pondering Her Percy wrote: I hear ya about Williams. However, I'm not sure how you can be in favor of Musgrave. I think he is the worst of them all. He is one of the least-creative, most basic OC's in the NFL. Rotoworld and other analysts have said similar things as well. His play-calling has been atrocious since he has been here. Nothing bothered me more than when he called the quick slant to Rhett Ellison in the redzone (2nd Chicago game). Granted it was right in Ellison's hands and he dropped it, but bottom line is, you dont throw to a guy that has 9 career catches when the game is on the line. AP, Jennings, Patterson, Simpson, Wright, and Carlson were all MUCH better options than Rhett Ellison was. I would have been even more furious if we were actually in playoff contention and he made that call.
PurpleHalo wrote: I think he has been a lot better lately, have you ever considered that the offense was scaled back for Ponder? He has done a nice job in the last month getting the ball in CP84s hands.
I hope no one with the Vikes gets the big idea to hire Shanahan, who has just been fired. I don't think he deals with player problems very well, plus I think he would want a substantial say in personnel moves.joe h wrote:Firing Frazier just gives our hack gm more power. Hopefully the Wilfs are waiting to see who will be getting pink slips tomorrow, and brings them here asap, it worked for KC last year.
Isn't that good? That's the kind of coach we need.cogitator wrote: I hope no one with the Vikes gets the big idea to hire Shanahan, who has just been fired. I don't think he deals with player problems very well, plus I think he would want a substantial say in personnel moves.
He had complete control of the Broncos by the time he was fired, and they did nothing after Elway retired. I think he also had control of the Redskins and they had 3 losing seasons out of the 4 he was coach there. They also gave up a boatload of draft picks for RG3, and his durability is already in question after 2 seasons.Webbfann wrote: Isn't that good? That's the kind of coach we need.
Lot of people in Seattle are pissed at Bevell LOL! They just lost a game were Palmer went 13/25, 178 yards passing, 4 ints, 1 TD to the cardinals and Bevell's kick #### offense part 2 scored 10 points despite the defense giving them short fields to work with.King James wrote:
Yes I agree, Musgrave has done a good job with Cassel. I think he knew Ponder wasn't good so he limited his playbook. I'd keep Musgrave. Just like when people thought Daren Bevell was sorry here in Minny; look what happen when he got to coach a REAL QB in Russell Wilson. Now they're the top team in the conference. Give Musgrave a REAL QB and see how he does.
cogitator wrote:
I hope no one with the Vikes gets the big idea to hire Shanahan, who has just been fired. I don't think he deals with player problems very well, plus I think he would want a substantial say in personnel moves.