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dead_poet wrote:

We just KNOW, Jim.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBRKPoAPXEQ

LOL! That's a great clip.

Orion wrote:hmm give frazier a real QB and lets see what he does with another season.



jk


i have no idea, we need to look for the next bill belichick.

Belichek? As in the guy who cheated his way to 3 SBs and hasn't won one since?

Yea that's exactly what we need, maybe someone should have told Frazier to start taping opposing teams hand signals.

dead_poet wrote:

We just KNOW, Jim.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBRKPoAPXEQ

Well unless you're willing to just stick your head in the sand I think we can make an educated guess that's probably pretty accurate. Who knows, maybe he didn't like Frazier's shoes and instead of talking about Ponder he's really saying "ah man, you're wearing those again! get them out of here! I can't stand to see those shoes out here again!"

Based on the disaster that this team has become and the stellar record, I'd say whatever Harvin's reasoning, he could not have been more right in wanting to get the hell out of Minnesota.

No more interim yes-men. Finish out the season. Nobody cares how it ends. It was over for the Vikings before the halfway point. When the season ends, fire the entire staff - every coach, every trainer, every water boy and equipment guy. Leave nothing behind.

Eli wrote:No more interim yes-men. Finish out the season. Nobody cares how it ends. It was over for the Vikings before the halfway point. When the season ends, fire the entire staff - every coach, every trainer, every water boy and equipment guy. Leave nothing behind.

The one dude who I wouldn't hate keeping is WR coach, George Stewart. He's developed some nice little WRs: Patterson, Rice, Harvin, and hell...I think he even worked with Moss in 2004.

I would pick Zimmer out of that group ..

80 PurplePride 84 wrote: It doesn't prove any more of a point if you fire him now or the day after the season ends. If he's as incompetent as you say then it's better to let him coach and lose the last 3 games to improve our draft pick.

It certainly would prove a point. It would say ownership isn't happy with a coach that in 3 years, 2 of them he can only muster 3 wins (yeah, I know this season isn't over yet ). They would be able to actively look for a HC, while the Vikes still play (you really think Singletary can coach better then Fraizer?), and you can cheer for them to lose, and they prolly will. They could also sort out which coaches they would like to keep, like maybe the WR and ST coaches. Get in before every other team starts firing.

chicagopurple wrote:There is no such thing as an "expensive coach". Given what we invest in players, coaches are cheap. THink about how much we waste on Ponder every year. I am sick and tired of my Vikes being the training-wheels bike for new underqualified coaches. Give me Gruden or another elite coach who actually WON in the NFL, or go home.

I agree! Stop shopping the bargain bin for coaches. Stop hiring a guy just because he'll take the job for what you want to pay.

I don't know if Gruden is the answer or not, but I like that idea better than going for another coordinator that has no head coaching experience. I know that formula has worked elsewhere but not with the Vikings.

I was reading this article on Zimmer and why he hasn't been hired as a HC some places. I guess owners view him as too tough and wouldn't go through the "coach speak" bit at press conferences. SIGN ME UP

NextQuestion wrote:I was reading this article on Zimmer and why he hasn't been hired as a HC some places. I guess owners view him as too tough and wouldn't go through the "coach speak" bit at press conferences. SIGN ME UP

Be careful what you wish for. The same persona could be applied to Singletary. Not the same guy, obviously, but worth noting.

majorm wrote:I agree! Stop shopping the bargain bin for coaches. Stop hiring a guy just because he'll take the job for what you want to pay.

How do we know that's what they've been doing or even if cost had much to do with their decisions? It probably did when McCombs hired Tice but Childress and Frazier? I doubt that was one of the foremost considerations for the Wilfs.

I don't know if Gruden is the answer or not, but I like that idea better than going for another coordinator that has no head coaching experience. I know that formula has worked elsewhere but not with the Vikings.

That doesn't mean it can't work for the Vikings. Ask yourself this: how many former Super Bowl-winning coaches have gone on to win the Super Bowl with another team? How many coaches have even coached in the Super Bowl for two different teams?

I think success in this area is conditional on a GM hiring the right head coach for team he wants to build (not the most experienced head coach, the most expensive head coach, etc.) and then doing a good job of building the team accordingly.

Having said all that, I wouldn't complain if they hired Gruden. I like him and consider him a good coach. Of course, it's worth remembering that his post-Super Bowl record in Tampa Bay was 45-51 (plus 0-2 in the playoffs).

Singletary was a LB coach before he got the HC gig right? I feel like this Zimmer guy, since he's a DC, and is responsible for an entire defensive unit...could qualify as a good HC.

Glad Zimmer is getting some attention, he's been my choice for a while now. Every where he's gone he's done well I think.

Here are some quotes / things taken from his wiki page.

Dallas Cowboys

"The 2003 Dallas Cowboys defense gave up the fewest yards in the NFL while running an aggressive, speedy 4-3 defense. Despite the Cowboys' problems over the years, Zimmer survived several coaching changes (Switzer, Chan Gailey, Dave Campo, Bill Parcells)"

"In 2005, he implemented the 3-4 defense favored by head coach Bill Parcells, although Zimmer had no prior experience with it."

Cincinnati Bengals

"Zimmer was named the defensive coordinator for the Cincinnati Bengals on January 15, 2008. In 2009, Zimmer earned NFL Assistant Coach of the Year honors from Pro Football Weekly/Pro Football Writers and from CBSSports.com, after guiding the Bengals to the 4th ranked defense in the league."

"In 2011, the Bengals finished with the 7th ranked defense in total yards and 9th ranked defense in points allowed."

"In 2012, the Bengals finished with the 6th ranked defense in total yards and 8th ranked defense in points allowed, prompting the Cleveland Browns to interview Zimmer for their head coaching vacancy. The Browns eventually hired former offensive coordinator Rob Chudzinski on January 11, 2013."

And if you're wondering, the Bengals defense is ranked 6th in points allowed and 8th in yards allowed RIGHT NOW, so looking like yet another top 10 finish.

He's a guy who's gotten it done for nearly 2 decades in the NFL and has regularly sported a top 10 defense throughout the years. He prefers an aggressive 4-3 defense which is exactly what a lot of us that are tired with the soft cover 2 are looking for. However, he also has some experience with a 3-4 so options are there. Time clearly hasn't passed his style by like it has with the soft cover 2.

His dad played football, he played football, he coaches football, his son coaches football, and I think he's the real deal with a great pedigree. Now maybe that doesn't translate to super awesome head coach but there's only one way to find out.

The only thing I'll say is: Cincinnati plays Pittsburgh, Baltimore, and Cleveland 2x a year. Those games are usually low scoring slug fests and the AFC in general is awful.