Percy's future w/ Vikings looking uncertain

[Mothman]

The only part that surprises me a little is the "won't even take phone calls about it" stance. I can't decide if that's true and a strong vote of confidence, a lie to posture and/or send a message to Harvin or being a negligent GM. If I was him, I wouldn't have made that bold of a statement. You can make a "Not for sale" stance while at least doing your due diligence and seeing what people are offering. It doesn't hurt to LISTEN, particularly if Harvin absolutely cannot co-exist. I suppose it does send a message that the team is committed to trying to make the relationship work. At least, for the moment.

I'd throw out the negligent GM possibility because whatever his faults, I don't think Spielman fits that description. I have no doubt he'll due his due diligence on trade opportunities. There's obviously no way to be certain but I believe his comment was intended as a very public message to Harvin intended to reinforce a.) that the Vikings would genuinely like to keep him on the team and b.) that he has one option if he wants to play in 2013: play for the Vikings.

[Demi]

Same thing I said. The ONLY reason this situation even came about was becasue the media was reaching in the first place. And it all came from Percy not being included on a damn poster. The media took that and ran with it. There was only one guy (that I've never heard of) who said he had a "source" that told him the Vikings were actively pursuing a trade of Percy. Then fans of every other team started dreaming up trade scenarios that fed into the hysteria. I think it was all hype.

It came about because someone heard Percy wanted a trade. Where did that come from? That evil media just make it up?...

[Mothman]

It came about because someone heard Percy wanted a trade. Where did that come from? That evil media just make it up?...

If I'm not mistaken there was only one source for that story (a Yahoo sportswriter) and it was never confirmed elsewhere, though it was widely repeated. I doubt the writer made it up but he may have been misinformed since the story was never confirmed. If I remember correctly, Harvin's supposed trade demand lasted all of one or two days, which is pretty unusual if he actually demanded to be traded.

The story has been more smoke than fire from the start and it remains that way. That doesn't mean there's not some fire beneath all the conjecture and rumors flying around but despite all the talk, there's very little of substance on the record.

[PurpleJarl]

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If I'm not mistaken there was only one source for that story (a Yahoo sportswriter) and it was never confirmed elsewhere, though it was widely repeated. I doubt the writer made it up but he may have been misinformed since the story was never confirmed. If I remember correctly, Harvin's supposed trade demand lasted all of one or two days, which is pretty unusual if he actually demanded to be traded.

The story has been more smoke than fire from the start and it remains that way. That doesn't mean there's not some fire beneath all the conjecture and rumors flying around but despite all the talk, there's very little of substance on the record.[/quote]



This is what I think. For all the coverage who's to say that Spielman hasn't talked to Harvin, explained there side and now are just trying to hammer out the details to a contract that works for him? I think its rather odd that Percy hasn't come out and said anything. I mean, if he is as toxic an angry as everyone says he is shouldn't he be hollering to anyone that will listen that he wants a trade and will be very unhappy if he doesn't get it? Either he has an inept agent or he really isn't that upset about this stuff

[PurpleMustReign]

This is what I think. For all the coverage who's to say that Spielman hasn't talked to Harvin, explained there side and now are just trying to hammer out the details to a contract that works for him? I think its rather odd that Percy hasn't come out and said anything. I mean, if he is as toxic an angry as everyone says he is shouldn't he be hollering to anyone that will listen that he wants a trade and will be very unhappy if he doesn't get it? Either he has an inept agent or he really isn't that upset about this stuff

Either way, people will believe whatever side they want to believe no matter who "reports" it. It is unfortunate that so many are so influenced by one "report".

[headless_norseman]

Chances are Harvin can't get the money he wants by demanding a trade and then from that team. Maybe close to the desired money from an eventual sign and trade 1 season from now, but things change.

[PacificNorseWest]

It came about because someone heard Percy wanted a trade. Where did that come from? That evil media just make it up?...

Harvin was left off of the 2013 season ticket promotional poster. That same day was when the rumors started and was a segue into a Mike and Mike discussion and from a local guy here in Seattle's morning show. There was only one guy who said anything about the Vikings "actively pursuing a trade" of Percy and no source was named.

I'm not saying that the media made up anything, but you'd be crazy if you think that ESPN and others don't initiate the eruption and spreading of "rumors." From so many media outlets and others I've spoke with about what they think they know, it all involved issues or situations that Vikings fans already knew about weeks ago (Percy's discontent with Frazier, the subsequent move to IR, the contract speculation, and the speculation of his non-belief in Ponder). To me, that just told me that there was nothing new being reported about this situation and because it involved a player of Percy's caliber, people decided they wanted to take those rumors and run with it.

[Raptorman]

The only part that surprises me a little is the "won't even take phone calls about it" stance. I can't decide if that's true and a strong vote of confidence, a lie to posture and/or send a message to Harvin or being a negligent GM. If I was him, I wouldn't have made that bold of a statement. You can make a "Not for sale" stance while at least doing your due diligence and seeing what people are offering. It doesn't hurt to LISTEN, particularly if Harvin absolutely cannot co-exist. I suppose it does send a message that the team is committed to trying to make the relationship work. At least, for the moment.

Might not take phone calls, but he said nothing about talking to people in person at the combine.

[Purple bruise]

What if....Harvin is traded and the Vikes sign Reggie Bush He could fill that slot receiver spot fairly well and split Wright out. Use the first round pick for Harvin (from the Patriots) and draft a position of need (wr, mlb, saftey etc.).

[jackal]

I wish wide outs would catch a clue being a Diva only lasts so long teams don't want problem children in the locker rooms

[jackal]

We ain't getting a first for Percy and ... ing to WR.


I could see a pretty high pick for Percy ..

I was thinking similar thought, but not Reggie Bush ..

I was thinking Danny Woodhead from the Patriots has 4.33 speed and is a real team guy ..

I could see converting him to the slot

[Purple bruise]

We ain't getting a first for Percy and Reggie Bush ain't signing with the Vikings or moving to WR.

Man thanks a bunch for setting me straight I started this with "WHAT IF..." Is there a better offensive player in the draft than Harvin I could see the Patriots shelling out their late first round pick for one of the most dynamic all around players in the NFL. Harvin would be perfect for their offense and they are reportedly ready to cut ties with Welker. Now about Bush...he runs a 4.3 forty, has good hands and great moves. You can't imagine the Vikings wanting him if they gave up Harvin Bush could be used as a slot receiver, a kick off and punt returner and spell AD at running back. Reread the post, I never mentioned Bush moving to wide receiver.
Now I AIN'T saying that this scenerio would ever happen but it AIN'T impossible.

[Purple bruise]

PURPLE PRIDE SAID "Teams just don't go around trading 1st round picks anymore (save Oakland) and NE is one of the smartest teams in the NFL. Belichick's not trading his for round pick for a player with one year left who wants big money. If they'd wanted to pay a WR they'd keep Welker. Plus if listen to Pelissero and every national beat writer it sounds as if the Vikings would be lucky to get a 2nd for Percy.
As for Reggie Bush; Just because he's a good WR out of the backfield doesn't mean he could play slot WR consistenly. Line up in the slot here of there, sure, but play it as much as Harvin? No.
Plus I highly doubt he'd even be up for it. Same goes for Woodhead in Jackal's post. Pass catching RB =/= slot WR.[/quote]"
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IMPOSSIBLE. Bush would make a great slot receiver in this type of offense. He has as good of hands as Harvin and is just as fast. Bush had a very good year with the Dolphins this year so I am not to sure why this would/could not work out. As far as teams trading their 1st round picks for players or other picks it happens all of the time every year. It is not as if the Patriots would be giving up an early round pick. You are aware that the Vikings gave their 1st round pick and 2 third round picks for JA to the Chiefs.
I was just throwing out one possible scenerio in the Harvin situation in a deal which could benifit the Vikings and the Patriots.
Anyway the Patriots have reportedly no intentions of resigning Welker (who is in his thirties) and Bellacheat has expressed interest on more than one ocassion in Harvin. But maybe this would be IMPOSSIBLE

[HardcoreVikesFan]

How exactly does trading our best playmaker not named Peterson away to a top end organization for a pick that doesn't begin to match his value and then wasting over 4 million dollars on a running back benefit the Vikings?

People need to realize that just because a guy is tremendous pass catcher out of the back field doesn't mean that they can transition to slot receiver. Reggie Bush, Danny Woodhead, Darren Sproles, etc, these guys are halfbacks, not slot receivers. They are effective coming out of the back field to catch the ball because of the mismatches they create. They typically draw the middle linebacker in coverage. Put any of the those guys in the slot and then the slot corner or the safety gets to cover them and, in turn, the defense matches up more effectively against them.

What Minnesota should do is keep Percy Harvin, pay him, and draft another outside threat so that we can take the next step into the post season.

[Purple bruise]

How exactly does trading our best playmaker not named Peterson away to a top end organization for a pick that doesn't begin to match his value and then wasting over 4 million dollars on a running back benefit the Vikings?

People need to realize that just because a guy is tremendous pass catcher out of the back field doesn't mean that they can transition to slot receiver. Reggie Bush, Danny Woodhead, Darren Sproles, etc, these guys are halfbacks, not slot receivers. They are effective coming out of the back field to catch the ball because of the mismatches they create. They typically draw the middle linebacker in coverage. Put any of the those guys in the slot and then the slot corner or the safety gets to cover them and, in turn, the defense matches up more effectively against them.

What Minnesota should do is keep Percy Harvin, pay him, and draft another outside threat so that we can take the next step into the post season.

Okay again this was just one scenerio that I came up with. So if Harvin is not resigned this year to multi multi million dollar contract then after this year he becomes a free agent and the Viking would get zero for him. If he is disgruntled and no longer wants or is willing to play for the Vikes then why not trade him. I mentioned the Patriots as a possible trading partner. As far as Bush he did often times line up in a slot with the Dolphins, as a wide out and a running back. He is also an excellent kick returner. Seems to me that he does many things as Harvin does I would take him in a second.
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