We actually got some pretty good return out of those picks. Weatherly is back on the team after a brief hiatus. Stephen played a big role with us. Kearse flashed. Odenigbo had a big season. Boyd, Stanley, Hinton, Willekes and Bisi are still on the team. What happened with Cutting. As far as LS's go he was looking like a star. I guess he started making bad snaps. Did we trade Mauti or did he leave FA? I didn't watch much after 1-5 last year.CharVike wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 10:34 pmHe was a 7th round pick. I know players can come from the entire board but the talent starts to thin out as you go along. I give the kid credit he made the squad and caught some passes and played special teams. Below is a little piece.VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 3:55 pm
I never saw the attraction with Bisi. I personally thought Dillon Mitchell was a much better, more explosive ball player. It surprised me a lot that he didn't make it. I also see no attraction of Chad Beebe or any other WR we have besides Thielen and Jefferson and I would be just fine if we got rid of all of them and start over. Rumor has it we are looking into Dede Westbrook and if he's available I would give him a shot.
The 6th player drafted from CSU by the Vikings and only WR. Appeared in all 16 games with 6 starts, finishing with 31 receptions for 294 yards and 3 TDs. Made his NFL debut vs. Atlanta (9/8), appearing on offense and special teams.
You need players like him on your team. I think Speilman collects these 7th rounders because the pick is made and then a cheap signing. It's easier than the UDFA route. But the chance of finding a player is about as close to zero as you can get. Speilman has made 25 7th round picks. 25 is a complete joke and waste of effort. Mitchell probably couldn't help on special teams. Below is the list of 7th rounders. Maybe N Stanley can be an emergency QB this year. If not bye bye.
7th Round
2020 — Kenny Willekes (DE) 225
2020 — Nate Stanley (QB) 244
2020 — Brian Cole II (S) 249
2020 — Kyle Hinton (G) 253
2019 — Kris Boyd (CB) 217
2019 — Dillon Mitchell (WR) 239
2019 — Olabisi Johnson (WR) 247
2019 — Austin Cutting (LS) 250
2018 — Devante Downs (LB) 225
2017 — Stacy Coley (WR) 219
2017 — Ifeadi Odenigbo (DL) 220
2017 — Elijah Lee (LB) 232
2017 — Jack Tocho (CB) 245
2016 — Stephen Weatherly (DE) 227
2016 — Jayron Kearse (S) 244
2015 — Austin Shepherd (T) 228
2015 — Edmond Robinson (OLB) 232
2014 — Shamar Stephen (DT) 220
2014 — Brandon Watts (LB) 223
2014 — Jabari Price (DB) 225
2013 — Michael Mauti (LB) 213
2013 — Travis Bond (G) 214
2013 — Everett Dawkins (DT) 229
2012 — Audie Cole (LB) 210
2012 — Trevor Guyton (DE) 219
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I agree but were talking 25 bodies. At least get a log term starter. If he's still here he'll do the same BS again. That's an idiot. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. This year it was round 4. Just look up his history in that round. Don't expect much. He needed picks in round 2 and was too lame to pull it off. He had more than enough ammo. There was some players there. That's where the premium was not whatever round he said it was. That's how confused he is. I would have taken 2 2nds over that pile of junk he came up with. We could have walked away with 2 players that could start now and he has proven he can pick in that round because that round has talent.VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 2:00 pmWe actually got some pretty good return out of those picks. Weatherly is back on the team after a brief hiatus. Stephen played a big role with us. Kearse flashed. Odenigbo had a big season. Boyd, Stanley, Hinton, Willekes and Bisi are still on the team. What happened with Cutting. As far as LS's go he was looking like a star. I guess he started making bad snaps. Did we trade Mauti or did he leave FA? I didn't watch much after 1-5 last year.CharVike wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 10:34 pm
He was a 7th round pick. I know players can come from the entire board but the talent starts to thin out as you go along. I give the kid credit he made the squad and caught some passes and played special teams. Below is a little piece.
The 6th player drafted from CSU by the Vikings and only WR. Appeared in all 16 games with 6 starts, finishing with 31 receptions for 294 yards and 3 TDs. Made his NFL debut vs. Atlanta (9/8), appearing on offense and special teams.
You need players like him on your team. I think Speilman collects these 7th rounders because the pick is made and then a cheap signing. It's easier than the UDFA route. But the chance of finding a player is about as close to zero as you can get. Speilman has made 25 7th round picks. 25 is a complete joke and waste of effort. Mitchell probably couldn't help on special teams. Below is the list of 7th rounders. Maybe N Stanley can be an emergency QB this year. If not bye bye.
7th Round
2020 — Kenny Willekes (DE) 225
2020 — Nate Stanley (QB) 244
2020 — Brian Cole II (S) 249
2020 — Kyle Hinton (G) 253
2019 — Kris Boyd (CB) 217
2019 — Dillon Mitchell (WR) 239
2019 — Olabisi Johnson (WR) 247
2019 — Austin Cutting (LS) 250
2018 — Devante Downs (LB) 225
2017 — Stacy Coley (WR) 219
2017 — Ifeadi Odenigbo (DL) 220
2017 — Elijah Lee (LB) 232
2017 — Jack Tocho (CB) 245
2016 — Stephen Weatherly (DE) 227
2016 — Jayron Kearse (S) 244
2015 — Austin Shepherd (T) 228
2015 — Edmond Robinson (OLB) 232
2014 — Shamar Stephen (DT) 220
2014 — Brandon Watts (LB) 223
2014 — Jabari Price (DB) 225
2013 — Michael Mauti (LB) 213
2013 — Travis Bond (G) 214
2013 — Everett Dawkins (DT) 229
2012 — Audie Cole (LB) 210
2012 — Trevor Guyton (DE) 219
Re: Undrafted free agent list
You may be right.... May only get one long term starter, or a couple decent reserves. The majority will probably not amount to any greatness..... But the draft is a gamble no matter where you draft... Mond may possibly be a bust... We can hope the Dak or Wilson clone.... But even first rounders especially at quarterback have failure rates... Since 2000, 50% of the first round qbs drafted failed. Even top five... No guarantees... One can only hope to find a hidden gem... They are out there.
James Harrison OLB PIttsburgh
John Randle DE Vikings
Kurt Warner qb Cardinals
Donnie Shell S Steelers
Drew Pearson wr Cowboys
Tony Romo qb Cowboys
Jim Langer vikings
Warren Moon qb, vikings, other... Probably more to this than talent.
all though the odds are a lot slimmer. They can be found... That is the trickl.
The question may be why do these guys succeed and high draft picks fail... That is the question... If one could just see the heart of the individual
James Harrison OLB PIttsburgh
John Randle DE Vikings
Kurt Warner qb Cardinals
Donnie Shell S Steelers
Drew Pearson wr Cowboys
Tony Romo qb Cowboys
Jim Langer vikings
Warren Moon qb, vikings, other... Probably more to this than talent.
all though the odds are a lot slimmer. They can be found... That is the trickl.
The question may be why do these guys succeed and high draft picks fail... That is the question... If one could just see the heart of the individual
Re: Undrafted free agent list
I was in Speilmans corner fully until this jerk around draft. He's tried big time to fix our QB situation. Even the trade for Bradford I thought was a good move. It didn't work. Getting Cousins was a great move. It worked. That trade for the pass rusher seems to have sent him in a downward trend big time. For once we were in a draft spot to move up and get a stud. He did the same old move down BS. That's ok but make a block buster deal. Get that 2nd rounder back. He couldn't swing it. We had a QB fall in our laps that fit our O. He had interest in Field and didn't make the move. Then he talks that he was considering moving back up for Darisaw. What? Give back what you just traded for. That's non sense talk. QBs are hard to hit on. When you hear "high ceiling" that means the guy sucks. When you hear dual threat that means the guy is a jack of all trades and master of nothing. Stay away early in the draft. I understand the over drafting of QBs. If you don't have a good one you have little chance. The Bears just did it. Grap and Goff made the Super Bowl. I consider them good. Cousins is a hair above them. But all three are light years behind the top couple of guys who guarantee a playoff entry every year. Wilson, Rodgers ect get there teams to the playoffs. There's knowledge on this board and the draft reviews have been flat. Not too many feel we knocked it out of the park. Some give a positive view which is fine that's an opinion. And it might work out that way. IMO Speilman has been reduced to a babbling idiot. Lots of pressure and tasks with his job. Last years 1st rounder has just added another layer. That's his pick.Foreman44 wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:28 am You may be right.... May only get one long term starter, or a couple decent reserves. The majority will probably not amount to any greatness..... But the draft is a gamble no matter where you draft... Mond may possibly be a bust... We can hope the Dak or Wilson clone.... But even first rounders especially at quarterback have failure rates... Since 2000, 50% of the first round qbs drafted failed. Even top five... No guarantees... One can only hope to find a hidden gem... They are out there.
James Harrison OLB PIttsburgh
John Randle DE Vikings
Kurt Warner qb Cardinals
Donnie Shell S Steelers
Drew Pearson wr Cowboys
Tony Romo qb Cowboys
Jim Langer vikings
Warren Moon qb, vikings, other... Probably more to this than talent.
all though the odds are a lot slimmer. They can be found... That is the trickl.
The question may be why do these guys succeed and high draft picks fail... That is the question... If one could just see the heart of the individual
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One other point is the media love affair with Dak. Yes he will win that joke division and they will say he's a winner. If you put him and that team in our division and moved Detroit out guess what happens? First off he won't win the division and then he will have a hard time getting past us and the Bears. That a tough task. He has to beat out that Washington team, who has a dam good coach, but certainly don't scare any team. Bottom line he has an easy task. Basically coast until the playoffs.CharVike wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 7:58 amI was in Speilmans corner fully until this jerk around draft. He's tried big time to fix our QB situation. Even the trade for Bradford I thought was a good move. It didn't work. Getting Cousins was a great move. It worked. That trade for the pass rusher seems to have sent him in a downward trend big time. For once we were in a draft spot to move up and get a stud. He did the same old move down BS. That's ok but make a block buster deal. Get that 2nd rounder back. He couldn't swing it. We had a QB fall in our laps that fit our O. He had interest in Field and didn't make the move. Then he talks that he was considering moving back up for Darisaw. What? Give back what you just traded for. That's non sense talk. QBs are hard to hit on. When you hear "high ceiling" that means the guy sucks. When you hear dual threat that means the guy is a jack of all trades and master of nothing. Stay away early in the draft. I understand the over drafting of QBs. If you don't have a good one you have little chance. The Bears just did it. Grap and Goff made the Super Bowl. I consider them good. Cousins is a hair above them. But all three are light years behind the top couple of guys who guarantee a playoff entry every year. Wilson, Rodgers ect get there teams to the playoffs. There's knowledge on this board and the draft reviews have been flat. Not too many feel we knocked it out of the park. Some give a positive view which is fine that's an opinion. And it might work out that way. IMO Speilman has been reduced to a babbling idiot. Lots of pressure and tasks with his job. Last years 1st rounder has just added another layer. That's his pick.Foreman44 wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:28 am You may be right.... May only get one long term starter, or a couple decent reserves. The majority will probably not amount to any greatness..... But the draft is a gamble no matter where you draft... Mond may possibly be a bust... We can hope the Dak or Wilson clone.... But even first rounders especially at quarterback have failure rates... Since 2000, 50% of the first round qbs drafted failed. Even top five... No guarantees... One can only hope to find a hidden gem... They are out there.
James Harrison OLB PIttsburgh
John Randle DE Vikings
Kurt Warner qb Cardinals
Donnie Shell S Steelers
Drew Pearson wr Cowboys
Tony Romo qb Cowboys
Jim Langer vikings
Warren Moon qb, vikings, other... Probably more to this than talent.
all though the odds are a lot slimmer. They can be found... That is the trickl.
The question may be why do these guys succeed and high draft picks fail... That is the question... If one could just see the heart of the individual
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You make inflammatory negative statements regarding Mr. Spielman that I categorically disagree with. Rick was wise enough to not trade up into the second round. We got Mond and Davis in particular by standing pat in the third round. He could have easily traded up into the second round to draft those two perhaps using the picks that we got Surratt and Jones with. Rick did a spectacular job this draft by trading back while getting the player we would have picked at 14, acquiring 2 very needed 3rd round picks.CharVike wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 10:36 pmI agree but were talking 25 bodies. At least get a log term starter. If he's still here he'll do the same BS again. That's an idiot. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. This year it was round 4. Just look up his history in that round. Don't expect much. He needed picks in round 2 and was too lame to pull it off. He had more than enough ammo. There was some players there. That's where the premium was not whatever round he said it was. That's how confused he is. I would have taken 2 2nds over that pile of junk he came up with. We could have walked away with 2 players that could start now and he has proven he can pick in that round because that round has talent.VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 2:00 pm
We actually got some pretty good return out of those picks. Weatherly is back on the team after a brief hiatus. Stephen played a big role with us. Kearse flashed. Odenigbo had a big season. Boyd, Stanley, Hinton, Willekes and Bisi are still on the team. What happened with Cutting. As far as LS's go he was looking like a star. I guess he started making bad snaps. Did we trade Mauti or did he leave FA? I didn't watch much after 1-5 last year.
Your take is exceedingly negative while virtually every analyst there is considered the Vikings draft this year a resounding success.
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Your baseless negativity is off the charts. Your posts are borderline troll behavior. Last year we got Jefferson who could prove to be one of the best picks we ever made. This year maybe somebody else will join him among the great draft picks in Vikings history. Spielman does a very good job.CharVike wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 7:58 amI was in Speilmans corner fully until this jerk around draft. He's tried big time to fix our QB situation. Even the trade for Bradford I thought was a good move. It didn't work. Getting Cousins was a great move. It worked. That trade for the pass rusher seems to have sent him in a downward trend big time. For once we were in a draft spot to move up and get a stud. He did the same old move down BS. That's ok but make a block buster deal. Get that 2nd rounder back. He couldn't swing it. We had a QB fall in our laps that fit our O. He had interest in Field and didn't make the move. Then he talks that he was considering moving back up for Darisaw. What? Give back what you just traded for. That's non sense talk. QBs are hard to hit on. When you hear "high ceiling" that means the guy sucks. When you hear dual threat that means the guy is a jack of all trades and master of nothing. Stay away early in the draft. I understand the over drafting of QBs. If you don't have a good one you have little chance. The Bears just did it. Grap and Goff made the Super Bowl. I consider them good. Cousins is a hair above them. But all three are light years behind the top couple of guys who guarantee a playoff entry every year. Wilson, Rodgers ect get there teams to the playoffs. There's knowledge on this board and the draft reviews have been flat. Not too many feel we knocked it out of the park. Some give a positive view which is fine that's an opinion. And it might work out that way. IMO Speilman has been reduced to a babbling idiot. Lots of pressure and tasks with his job. Last years 1st rounder has just added another layer. That's his pick.Foreman44 wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:28 am You may be right.... May only get one long term starter, or a couple decent reserves. The majority will probably not amount to any greatness..... But the draft is a gamble no matter where you draft... Mond may possibly be a bust... We can hope the Dak or Wilson clone.... But even first rounders especially at quarterback have failure rates... Since 2000, 50% of the first round qbs drafted failed. Even top five... No guarantees... One can only hope to find a hidden gem... They are out there.
James Harrison OLB PIttsburgh
John Randle DE Vikings
Kurt Warner qb Cardinals
Donnie Shell S Steelers
Drew Pearson wr Cowboys
Tony Romo qb Cowboys
Jim Langer vikings
Warren Moon qb, vikings, other... Probably more to this than talent.
all though the odds are a lot slimmer. They can be found... That is the trickl.
The question may be why do these guys succeed and high draft picks fail... That is the question... If one could just see the heart of the individual
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I'm not trying to troll anybody. If someone is happy with the job Rick is doing I'm ok with that. I've been in his corner. I've posted many positive stuff about him. We will see shortly how this draft turns out. And yes Jefferson was a fantastic pick. I even like E Smith. Cook is the best all around back we ever had. Great pick. I've said many times that Cousins is the best QB since Fran. Speilman got him. I backed Cousins when many said he's a bum. Rhodes was a great pick. He has missed as they all do. I'm not expecting to make a hit on every single pick. That's not fair. But I'm tired of going down for players. Samia blows but I liked the pick. It happens. I liked Trask and Mills much better than Mond. Mond might turn out better. I like Jones. Most feel he's a bum. We will find out in a few years. Most NFL execs didn't like Jones. Speilman got away from him. It's his call. Sometimes taking the guy that others turn there back on can work out. Other times it doesn't. IMO the 2nd round had some very good players. Many QBs and WRs were picked. That pushed quality down. That's only my thoughts. Speilman stated round 3 was premium. I don't agree with that. He's the pro and he should be right. I would have stacked up in round 2 that's all.VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:21 pmYour baseless negativity is off the charts. Your posts are borderline troll behavior. Last year we got Jefferson who could prove to be one of the best picks we ever made. This year maybe somebody else will join him among the great draft picks in Vikings history. Spielman does a very good job.CharVike wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 7:58 am
I was in Speilmans corner fully until this jerk around draft. He's tried big time to fix our QB situation. Even the trade for Bradford I thought was a good move. It didn't work. Getting Cousins was a great move. It worked. That trade for the pass rusher seems to have sent him in a downward trend big time. For once we were in a draft spot to move up and get a stud. He did the same old move down BS. That's ok but make a block buster deal. Get that 2nd rounder back. He couldn't swing it. We had a QB fall in our laps that fit our O. He had interest in Field and didn't make the move. Then he talks that he was considering moving back up for Darisaw. What? Give back what you just traded for. That's non sense talk. QBs are hard to hit on. When you hear "high ceiling" that means the guy sucks. When you hear dual threat that means the guy is a jack of all trades and master of nothing. Stay away early in the draft. I understand the over drafting of QBs. If you don't have a good one you have little chance. The Bears just did it. Grap and Goff made the Super Bowl. I consider them good. Cousins is a hair above them. But all three are light years behind the top couple of guys who guarantee a playoff entry every year. Wilson, Rodgers ect get there teams to the playoffs. There's knowledge on this board and the draft reviews have been flat. Not too many feel we knocked it out of the park. Some give a positive view which is fine that's an opinion. And it might work out that way. IMO Speilman has been reduced to a babbling idiot. Lots of pressure and tasks with his job. Last years 1st rounder has just added another layer. That's his pick.
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Wow.CharVike wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 7:58 amI was in Speilmans corner fully until this jerk around draft. He's tried big time to fix our QB situation. Even the trade for Bradford I thought was a good move. It didn't work. Getting Cousins was a great move. It worked. That trade for the pass rusher seems to have sent him in a downward trend big time. For once we were in a draft spot to move up and get a stud. He did the same old move down BS. That's ok but make a block buster deal. Get that 2nd rounder back. He couldn't swing it. We had a QB fall in our laps that fit our O. He had interest in Field and didn't make the move. Then he talks that he was considering moving back up for Darisaw. What? Give back what you just traded for. That's non sense talk. QBs are hard to hit on. When you hear "high ceiling" that means the guy sucks. When you hear dual threat that means the guy is a jack of all trades and master of nothing. Stay away early in the draft. I understand the over drafting of QBs. If you don't have a good one you have little chance. The Bears just did it. Grap and Goff made the Super Bowl. I consider them good. Cousins is a hair above them. But all three are light years behind the top couple of guys who guarantee a playoff entry every year. Wilson, Rodgers ect get there teams to the playoffs. There's knowledge on this board and the draft reviews have been flat. Not too many feel we knocked it out of the park. Some give a positive view which is fine that's an opinion. And it might work out that way. IMO Speilman has been reduced to a babbling idiot. Lots of pressure and tasks with his job. Last years 1st rounder has just added another layer. That's his pick.Foreman44 wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:28 am You may be right.... May only get one long term starter, or a couple decent reserves. The majority will probably not amount to any greatness..... But the draft is a gamble no matter where you draft... Mond may possibly be a bust... We can hope the Dak or Wilson clone.... But even first rounders especially at quarterback have failure rates... Since 2000, 50% of the first round qbs drafted failed. Even top five... No guarantees... One can only hope to find a hidden gem... They are out there.
James Harrison OLB PIttsburgh
John Randle DE Vikings
Kurt Warner qb Cardinals
Donnie Shell S Steelers
Drew Pearson wr Cowboys
Tony Romo qb Cowboys
Jim Langer vikings
Warren Moon qb, vikings, other... Probably more to this than talent.
all though the odds are a lot slimmer. They can be found... That is the trickl.
The question may be why do these guys succeed and high draft picks fail... That is the question... If one could just see the heart of the individual
Spielman trades back to draft the same guy at 23 that he would have been perfectly justified in drafting at 14. In the process, he picks up two third-rounders, one of whom will likely be a Week 1 starter at a position of dire need.
And you consider that a “jerk around” draft? I’d be really curious to know what you would consider to be a good draft.
The idiot Bears can have Justin Fields. They’ll ruin him, just like they ruin every other quarterback. New England can have your boy Mac Jones, whom nobody in need of a quarterback wanted. I’ll take the guys we got every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

Go ahead. I dare you.
Underestimate this man.
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IF IF IF Spielman does not trade back from 14 the best we could have done was draft Darrisaw, but no Mond and no Davis. That is not a "Jerk Around Draft". That is brilliance.CharVike wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 10:31 pmI'm not trying to troll anybody. If someone is happy with the job Rick is doing I'm ok with that. I've been in his corner. I've posted many positive stuff about him. We will see shortly how this draft turns out. And yes Jefferson was a fantastic pick. I even like E Smith. Cook is the best all around back we ever had. Great pick. I've said many times that Cousins is the best QB since Fran. Speilman got him. I backed Cousins when many said he's a bum. Rhodes was a great pick. He has missed as they all do. I'm not expecting to make a hit on every single pick. That's not fair. But I'm tired of going down for players. Samia blows but I liked the pick. It happens. I liked Trask and Mills much better than Mond. Mond might turn out better. I like Jones. Most feel he's a bum. We will find out in a few years. Most NFL execs didn't like Jones. Speilman got away from him. It's his call. Sometimes taking the guy that others turn there back on can work out. Other times it doesn't. IMO the 2nd round had some very good players. Many QBs and WRs were picked. That pushed quality down. That's only my thoughts. Speilman stated round 3 was premium. I don't agree with that. He's the pro and he should be right. I would have stacked up in round 2 that's all.VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:21 pm
Your baseless negativity is off the charts. Your posts are borderline troll behavior. Last year we got Jefferson who could prove to be one of the best picks we ever made. This year maybe somebody else will join him among the great draft picks in Vikings history. Spielman does a very good job.
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I wouldn't want Justin Fields. And you are right the Bears will ruin him. But this guy could provide a spark. I expect a Lamar type of performance. Let's face it the guy can run and has tremendous speed. He will split a few secondaries. That will cause problems for teams. Your also right nobody wanted Jones except NE. That's ok. I wanted him when he fell to us no more than that. He's not the sexy pick or a flash guy. Some traits he lacks. At 14 we could have moved up for a top notch guy. The real kicker was Rick calling round 3 premium. Round 2 was premo IMO. Many players pushed there with all the QBs taken plus others. That's insulting to the average reader. He made himself looked confused by stating that. How can a pro GM make a statement like that.J. Kapp 11 wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 10:31 pmWow.CharVike wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 7:58 am
I was in Speilmans corner fully until this jerk around draft. He's tried big time to fix our QB situation. Even the trade for Bradford I thought was a good move. It didn't work. Getting Cousins was a great move. It worked. That trade for the pass rusher seems to have sent him in a downward trend big time. For once we were in a draft spot to move up and get a stud. He did the same old move down BS. That's ok but make a block buster deal. Get that 2nd rounder back. He couldn't swing it. We had a QB fall in our laps that fit our O. He had interest in Field and didn't make the move. Then he talks that he was considering moving back up for Darisaw. What? Give back what you just traded for. That's non sense talk. QBs are hard to hit on. When you hear "high ceiling" that means the guy sucks. When you hear dual threat that means the guy is a jack of all trades and master of nothing. Stay away early in the draft. I understand the over drafting of QBs. If you don't have a good one you have little chance. The Bears just did it. Grap and Goff made the Super Bowl. I consider them good. Cousins is a hair above them. But all three are light years behind the top couple of guys who guarantee a playoff entry every year. Wilson, Rodgers ect get there teams to the playoffs. There's knowledge on this board and the draft reviews have been flat. Not too many feel we knocked it out of the park. Some give a positive view which is fine that's an opinion. And it might work out that way. IMO Speilman has been reduced to a babbling idiot. Lots of pressure and tasks with his job. Last years 1st rounder has just added another layer. That's his pick.
Spielman trades back to draft the same guy at 23 that he would have been perfectly justified in drafting at 14. In the process, he picks up two third-rounders, one of whom will likely be a Week 1 starter at a position of dire need.
And you consider that a “jerk around” draft? I’d be really curious to know what you would consider to be a good draft.
The idiot Bears can have Justin Fields. They’ll ruin him, just like they ruin every other quarterback. New England can have your boy Mac Jones, whom nobody in need of a quarterback wanted. I’ll take the guys we got every day of the week and twice on Sundays.
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Rick did just fine in Round 3.CharVike wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 12:16 amI wouldn't want Justin Fields. And you are right the Bears will ruin him. But this guy could provide a spark. I expect a Lamar type of performance. Let's face it the guy can run and has tremendous speed. He will split a few secondaries. That will cause problems for teams. Your also right nobody wanted Jones except NE. That's ok. I wanted him when he fell to us no more than that. He's not the sexy pick or a flash guy. Some traits he lacks. At 14 we could have moved up for a top notch guy. The real kicker was Rick calling round 3 premium. Round 2 was premo IMO. Many players pushed there with all the QBs taken plus others. That's insulting to the average reader. He made himself looked confused by stating that. How can a pro GM make a statement like that.J. Kapp 11 wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 10:31 pm
Wow.
Spielman trades back to draft the same guy at 23 that he would have been perfectly justified in drafting at 14. In the process, he picks up two third-rounders, one of whom will likely be a Week 1 starter at a position of dire need.
And you consider that a “jerk around” draft? I’d be really curious to know what you would consider to be a good draft.
The idiot Bears can have Justin Fields. They’ll ruin him, just like they ruin every other quarterback. New England can have your boy Mac Jones, whom nobody in need of a quarterback wanted. I’ll take the guys we got every day of the week and twice on Sundays.
Wyatt Davis isn't going to come off as a sexy pick, but I believe he's going to be a Week 1 starter and a solid player on our O-line for many years. This is a two-time first-team All American we're talking about here. A guy with a lot of positives, and the negatives he has can be coached up. Kellen Mond is the kind of pick that the Vikings have historically never taken, but the kind of pick they SHOULD HAVE BEEN taking. Finally, we get a developmental quarterback with better than 7th-round talent. He's got size, speed and a strong arm, so there's a lot to work with. The one I'm clueless about is Chazz Surratt. Honestly, I'd never heard of him until he was drafted. But they obviously see something in this guy, or they wouldn't have taken him in the 3rd.
Let's say only Davis develops into a starter. If that happens, wouldn't you consider the 3rd round a success? I would. After all, you generally only have one pick in each round.

Go ahead. I dare you.
Underestimate this man.
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It's going to be interesting to watch how Darrisaw progresses over his career vs Vera-Tucker. Same with Mills and Mond.VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 11:21 pmIF IF IF Spielman does not trade back from 14 the best we could have done was draft Darrisaw, but no Mond and no Davis. That is not a "Jerk Around Draft". That is brilliance.CharVike wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 10:31 pm
I'm not trying to troll anybody. If someone is happy with the job Rick is doing I'm ok with that. I've been in his corner. I've posted many positive stuff about him. We will see shortly how this draft turns out. And yes Jefferson was a fantastic pick. I even like E Smith. Cook is the best all around back we ever had. Great pick. I've said many times that Cousins is the best QB since Fran. Speilman got him. I backed Cousins when many said he's a bum. Rhodes was a great pick. He has missed as they all do. I'm not expecting to make a hit on every single pick. That's not fair. But I'm tired of going down for players. Samia blows but I liked the pick. It happens. I liked Trask and Mills much better than Mond. Mond might turn out better. I like Jones. Most feel he's a bum. We will find out in a few years. Most NFL execs didn't like Jones. Speilman got away from him. It's his call. Sometimes taking the guy that others turn there back on can work out. Other times it doesn't. IMO the 2nd round had some very good players. Many QBs and WRs were picked. That pushed quality down. That's only my thoughts. Speilman stated round 3 was premium. I don't agree with that. He's the pro and he should be right. I would have stacked up in round 2 that's all.
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I will certainly be comparing these particular players. However, for the Vikings to have drafted AVT means they wouldn't have had Darrisaw, Mond or Davis. Unless Mond and Davis really suck AVT is going to have to way outplay Darrisaw to make this trade anything other than a resounding success.S197 wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 3:32 pmIt's going to be interesting to watch how Darrisaw progresses over his career vs Vera-Tucker. Same with Mills and Mond.VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 11:21 pm
IF IF IF Spielman does not trade back from 14 the best we could have done was draft Darrisaw, but no Mond and no Davis. That is not a "Jerk Around Draft". That is brilliance.
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Surratt was not a household name, but he was the 4th best player available on the ESPN board when we picked him so certainly there were people who liked him.J. Kapp 11 wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 8:53 amRick did just fine in Round 3.CharVike wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 12:16 am
I wouldn't want Justin Fields. And you are right the Bears will ruin him. But this guy could provide a spark. I expect a Lamar type of performance. Let's face it the guy can run and has tremendous speed. He will split a few secondaries. That will cause problems for teams. Your also right nobody wanted Jones except NE. That's ok. I wanted him when he fell to us no more than that. He's not the sexy pick or a flash guy. Some traits he lacks. At 14 we could have moved up for a top notch guy. The real kicker was Rick calling round 3 premium. Round 2 was premo IMO. Many players pushed there with all the QBs taken plus others. That's insulting to the average reader. He made himself looked confused by stating that. How can a pro GM make a statement like that.
Wyatt Davis isn't going to come off as a sexy pick, but I believe he's going to be a Week 1 starter and a solid player on our O-line for many years. This is a two-time first-team All American we're talking about here. A guy with a lot of positives, and the negatives he has can be coached up. Kellen Mond is the kind of pick that the Vikings have historically never taken, but the kind of pick they SHOULD HAVE BEEN taking. Finally, we get a developmental quarterback with better than 7th-round talent. He's got size, speed and a strong arm, so there's a lot to work with. The one I'm clueless about is Chazz Surratt. Honestly, I'd never heard of him until he was drafted. But they obviously see something in this guy, or they wouldn't have taken him in the 3rd.
Let's say only Davis develops into a starter. If that happens, wouldn't you consider the 3rd round a success? I would. After all, you generally only have one pick in each round.