Spielman gets an extension

[Pondering Her Percy]

Kubiak won a super bowl as a head coach...

And one as an assistant, and two as a player.

Look you guys, Gary Kubiak is going to be more than just an advisor, and he's not just another coach. He is widely regarded as one of the best coaches in the NFL, especially when it comes to detail on offense. He leaves no stone unturned when it comes to offensive football. Every team he coaches a) runs the ball well, and b) gets good quarterback play, no matter who is under center. He won a Super Bowl with a geriatric Peyton Manning. He made Matt Schaub look good in Houston. His offensive lines are always good, without fail. The guy can flat-out coach, and the only reason he's not a head coach right now is that he chooses not to because of what it does to his health.

In my opinion, this has the potential to be one of the best signings the Vikings have made in the past 10 years. I believe he will be especially helpful with the offensive line, which so often has looked lost, but where he truly excels. Do your research. Find out what the league thinks of Gary Kubiak. Remember when a lot of us thought signing Pat Shurmur made no sense because Norv was already here? We know now that Shurmur was an excellent coach in Minnesota, far more than just a tight ends coach. It's my belief that Gary Kubiak will be every bit as good or better.

Oh I agree that he’s going to be a huge part of this team and have a lot of input on offense. But guys are saying that he was hired because they wanted him as insurance for stefanski or be our next head coach if Zim was fired. I believe that is 100% false. Especially when Stefanski was the one pushing for him the most. He was hired to help this offense and bring his knowledge to this offense. Given his offense was similar to what cousins ran in the past and is familiar with.

[CharVike]

I agree. He's a QB coach. Big deal. The only thing he has is a name. And our new OC will run the same old bs as he did last year. We couldn't score against the Bears during the last game at home the same as the guy who was fired did on the road. Nothing changed. I was hoping to clean the slate.Nope. And this wuss zone blocking won't work. DLs will be in the backfield. Zone scheme needs people who have played together. We don't even know the top 5 yet or what positions they will play. The scheme should be dummied down. Hat on a hat period. Not this ultra complicated bs.

His son is the QB coach. Gary Kubiak is the assistant head coach/offensive advisor. But he is going to be exactly that....an offensive advisor. Which is why I'm sure Stefanski wanted to have him on board. It's a good offensive mind that can show Stefanski the ropes. You have to respect that in a young coach that he is willing to take all the help he can get.

As for Stefanski, no, he's not going to run the "same bs as last year". That was the point of hiring Kubiak. And I would cut the guy some slack. He took over as an interim OC for 3 games. That gives him zero time to really implement his own stuff or change a whole lot. He was basically calling Flip's plays how he wants. Kubiak is going to bring in a lot of Shanahans system by the sounds of it. Which was not here last year. So in turn, it will be a different offense and they will find ways to run the football that's for sure.

I think bringing in Kubiak was a good move by Speilman. I don't like the scheme but if it works that is all I can ask for.

[S197]

And one as an assistant, and two as a player.

Look you guys, Gary Kubiak is going to be more than just an advisor, and he's not just another coach. He is widely regarded as one of the best coaches in the NFL, especially when it comes to detail on offense. He leaves no stone unturned when it comes to offensive football. Every team he coaches a) runs the ball well, and b) gets good quarterback play, no matter who is under center. He won a Super Bowl with a geriatric Peyton Manning. He made Matt Schaub look good in Houston. His offensive lines are always good, without fail. The guy can flat-out coach, and the only reason he's not a head coach right now is that he chooses not to because of what it does to his health.

In my opinion, this has the potential to be one of the best signings the Vikings have made in the past 10 years. I believe he will be especially helpful with the offensive line, which so often has looked lost, but where he truly excels. Do your research. Find out what the league thinks of Gary Kubiak. Remember when a lot of us thought signing Pat Shurmur made no sense because Norv was already here? We know now that Shurmur was an excellent coach in Minnesota, far more than just a tight ends coach. It's my belief that Gary Kubiak will be every bit as good or better.

Oh I agree that he’s going to be a huge part of this team and have a lot of input on offense. But guys are saying that he was hired because they wanted him as insurance for stefanski or be our next head coach if Zim was fired. I believe that is 100% false. Especially when Stefanski was the one pushing for him the most. He was hired to help this offense and bring his knowledge to this offense. Given his offense was similar to what cousins ran in the past and is familiar with.

I don't think they hired him to replace Zimmer. I think they were worried about a first time OC and wanted to give him help. Zimmer likes a lot of ex-HCs on his staff.

I think if things go very badly he could be a Stefanski replacement but I'm sure with his health issues he's content in the advisory role.

[Pondering Her Percy]

Oh I agree that he’s going to be a huge part of this team and have a lot of input on offense. But guys are saying that he was hired because they wanted him as insurance for stefanski or be our next head coach if Zim was fired. I believe that is 100% false. Especially when Stefanski was the one pushing for him the most. He was hired to help this offense and bring his knowledge to this offense. Given his offense was similar to what cousins ran in the past and is familiar with.

I don't think they hired him to replace Zimmer. I think they were worried about a first time OC and wanted to give him help. Zimmer likes a lot of ex-HCs on his staff.

I think if things go very badly he could be a Stefanski replacement but I'm sure with his health issues he's content in the advisory role.

Agreed and IMO, it’s a great signing to help out a young OC and will bring a lot more to this offense than it would have if it was just stefanski by himself. Isn’t that why they brought in Shurmur to start? Granted we had an old timer at OC in turner but wasn’t Shurmur some kind of offensive assistant?

[J. Kapp 11]

Oh I agree that he’s going to be a huge part of this team and have a lot of input on offense. But guys are saying that he was hired because they wanted him as insurance for stefanski or be our next head coach if Zim was fired. I believe that is 100% false. Especially when Stefanski was the one pushing for him the most. He was hired to help this offense and bring his knowledge to this offense. Given his offense was similar to what cousins ran in the past and is familiar with.

I don't think they hired him to replace Zimmer. I think they were worried about a first time OC and wanted to give him help. Zimmer likes a lot of ex-HCs on his staff.

I think if things go very badly he could be a Stefanski replacement but I'm sure with his health issues he's content in the advisory role.

Sources say that Kubiak was actually the Vikings' first choice as OC, but they didn't think he was leaving Denver. At the time, he was working as a special assistant and a scouting guy, but he got the itch to return to the field (not as head coach because of health, but as OC). Elway was ready to put him in that role, but it didn't work out under Vic Fangio. Kubiak wanted to hire his own guys to coach positions, but Fangio didn't want to give up that much authority, so Kubiak resigned in Denver to pursue opportunities elsewhere. That made him available for Minnesota, but they'd already hired Stefanski. So the Vikings offered him this assistant head coach/offensive advisor role, and he took it.

I see a lot of similarities to what the Vikings did with Shurmur. Even though Shurmur was tight ends coach, it was obvious he was overqualified, and any hiccup with Norv was going to result in Shurmur assuming the OC role. I'd bet the farm that's what's going on here. If Stefanski poops the bed, they'll insert Kubiak.

While I love that Kubiak is on staff, I do question whether it sets up a natural rivalry between Kubiak and Stefanski. I don't think that's an unreasonable worry, given what happened with Shurmur and Norv. Supposedly Stefanski is excited to work with somebody of Kubiak's resume and stature. Stefanski is saying all the right things, but it would only be human nature for him to be looking over his shoulder, or privately viewing Kubiak as a babysitter.

[CharVike]

It's not a coincidence Rick, Zim, and Cousins contracts are all synced up. They either perform or we see a major house cleaning in two years. I think this is the best call,a new GM if needed will be able to bring in his own coach and QB.

This.

Spielman, Zimmer and Cousins are tied together now that the investment in Cousins has been locked in. It makes sense. Superbowl or bust now for this triumvirate.

Make the Super Bowl or see you. OK might as well just throw them out now. Winning our division will be difficult enough. I always rag on the Bears QB but he did better than I thought. Still a developing player also. My bad on that one. The Bears are the team to beat first and that won't be easy. That D is as good as it gets and they could shut us out. The Pack are the same old and maybe worse. But if Rodgers plays they become a tough out. Lions who knows. 4 - 2 would be a great division record. Good thing the Lions blow or .500 would be tough. That's a tough deal and that's only step 1. That's why I rag on NE and that cake walk Jets. Easy 2 wins. Bills. Easy 2 wins. Phins come on. That's 6 patti cake games. They don't face a single QB that's worth a dam. They can rest and develop guys. This getting a QB for us means a season will need to be roasted. One win. Otherwise we won't have the pick. Speilman did the best he could getting Cousins. At least it makes us have a legit chance to compete for the division. But after that it gets more difficult and on the road.

[StumpHunter]

This.

Spielman, Zimmer and Cousins are tied together now that the investment in Cousins has been locked in. It makes sense. Superbowl or bust now for this triumvirate.

Make the Super Bowl or see you. OK might as well just throw them out now. Winning our division will be difficult enough. I always rag on the Bears QB but he did better than I thought. Still a developing player also. My bad on that one. The Bears are the team to beat first and that won't be easy. That D is as good as it gets and they could shut us out. The Pack are the same old and maybe worse. But if Rodgers plays they become a tough out. Lions who knows. 4 - 2 would be a great division record. Good thing the Lions blow or .500 would be tough. That's a tough deal and that's only step 1. That's why I rag on NE and that cake walk Jets. Easy 2 wins. Bills. Easy 2 wins. Phins come on. That's 6 patti cake games. They don't face a single QB that's worth a dam. They can rest and develop guys. This getting a QB for us means a season will need to be roasted. One win. Otherwise we won't have the pick. Speilman did the best he could getting Cousins. At least it makes us have a legit chance to compete for the division. But after that it gets more difficult and on the road.

The best Spielman could have done was not trade away a shot at Mahomes or Watson for a garbage QB.

[PurpleKoolaid]

Make the Super Bowl or see you. OK might as well just throw them out now. Winning our division will be difficult enough. I always rag on the Bears QB but he did better than I thought. Still a developing player also. My bad on that one. The Bears are the team to beat first and that won't be easy. That D is as good as it gets and they could shut us out. The Pack are the same old and maybe worse. But if Rodgers plays they become a tough out. Lions who knows. 4 - 2 would be a great division record. Good thing the Lions blow or .500 would be tough. That's a tough deal and that's only step 1. That's why I rag on NE and that cake walk Jets. Easy 2 wins. Bills. Easy 2 wins. Phins come on. That's 6 patti cake games. They don't face a single QB that's worth a dam. They can rest and develop guys. This getting a QB for us means a season will need to be roasted. One win. Otherwise we won't have the pick. Speilman did the best he could getting Cousins. At least it makes us have a legit chance to compete for the division. But after that it gets more difficult and on the road.

The best Spielman could have done was not trade away a shot at Mahomes or Watson for a garbage QB.

You have to remember, Rick doesnt know a thing about QBs. Nothing. He has proven this time and time again, and never ever has a back that he is grooming. He prefers the Sam Bradford/Kirk Cousins types, overpay and hope someone else coached them up. He is quite simply horrible at his job, but so many fans are fine with mediocrity. Year after year, its the same thing.

[CharVike]

The best Spielman could have done was not trade away a shot at Mahomes or Watson for a garbage QB.

You have to remember, Rick doesnt know a thing about QBs. Nothing. He has proven this time and time again, and never ever has a back that he is grooming. He prefers the Sam Bradford/Kirk Cousins types, overpay and hope someone else coached them up. He is quite simply horrible at his job, but so many fans are fine with mediocrity. Year after year, its the same thing.

He's not the only one. Denny G is put on a pedestal and he was worse than anyone. Finks and Grant wasted unbelievable defense with bums like Quzzo, Lee, Snead and even Kapp until they woke up and traded for Tark. Speilman had zero choice. He knew he had a bum with Case and said see ya. What GM would sign that guy? He's been with two teams since Speilman dumped him. So how great are those GMs? He's grooming Sloter but the chance of that working is slim. Our team has had QB issues since the start. The only HOFer they had was traded and then reacquired. Even this guy Watson who many are bragging about the Texans aren't sure if they want to give him a huge deal. Why is that? Would the greatest QB ever, Brady, lead our team to a Super Bowl? IMO no way. I keep hearing how great Jimmy G is and he doesn't even play. How dumb is that GM. The NFL is short on QBs. The new trend is running QBs. This isn't college. These are bigger and faster players than in college. Running QBs will get killed eventually. You better have three of them. Many teams were after Cousins. The Skins GM dumped him and now signs the great one Case. Talk about dumb. That's throwing the season out the window.

[StumpHunter]

You have to remember, Rick doesnt know a thing about QBs. Nothing. He has proven this time and time again, and never ever has a back that he is grooming. He prefers the Sam Bradford/Kirk Cousins types, overpay and hope someone else coached them up. He is quite simply horrible at his job, but so many fans are fine with mediocrity. Year after year, its the same thing.

He's not the only one. Denny G is put on a pedestal and he was worse than anyone. Finks and Grant wasted unbelievable defense with bums like Quzzo, Lee, Snead and even Kapp until they woke up and traded for Tark. Speilman had zero choice. He knew he had a bum with Case and said see ya. What GM would sign that guy? He's been with two teams since Speilman dumped him. So how great are those GMs? He's grooming Sloter but the chance of that working is slim. Our team has had QB issues since the start. The only HOFer they had was traded and then reacquired. Even this guy Watson who many are bragging about the Texans aren't sure if they want to give him a huge deal. Why is that? Would the greatest QB ever, Brady, lead our team to a Super Bowl? IMO no way. I keep hearing how great Jimmy G is and he doesn't even play. How dumb is that GM. The NFL is short on QBs. The new trend is running QBs. This isn't college. These are bigger and faster players than in college. Running QBs will get killed eventually. You better have three of them. Many teams were after Cousins. The Skins GM dumped him and now signs the great one Case. Talk about dumb. That's throwing the season out the window.

Our team has had QB issues for as long as Spielman has been GM because the GM is horrible at evaluating QB talent. He backed himself into a corner and had to choose between, grossly overpaying for a .500 QB, taking a huge risk on Teddy's knee, or starting over from square one with Case as a caretaker QB for Jackson or some other rookie. That decision doesn't happen if the clown didn't panic and trade the most reliable resource for getting a franchise QB, for a bad QB in Sam Bradford. Spielman is the victim of his own poor decisions at QB, not bad luck.

Brady has this team competing for a SB in 2018, btw. He would have somehow managed to make do with a top 5 D, top 5 WR corp, and an offensive line that gave its QB an above average time to throw and a top 10 lowest sack rate. Somehow the GOAT would have made that work...

[CharVike]

He's not the only one. Denny G is put on a pedestal and he was worse than anyone. Finks and Grant wasted unbelievable defense with bums like Quzzo, Lee, Snead and even Kapp until they woke up and traded for Tark. Speilman had zero choice. He knew he had a bum with Case and said see ya. What GM would sign that guy? He's been with two teams since Speilman dumped him. So how great are those GMs? He's grooming Sloter but the chance of that working is slim. Our team has had QB issues since the start. The only HOFer they had was traded and then reacquired. Even this guy Watson who many are bragging about the Texans aren't sure if they want to give him a huge deal. Why is that? Would the greatest QB ever, Brady, lead our team to a Super Bowl? IMO no way. I keep hearing how great Jimmy G is and he doesn't even play. How dumb is that GM. The NFL is short on QBs. The new trend is running QBs. This isn't college. These are bigger and faster players than in college. Running QBs will get killed eventually. You better have three of them. Many teams were after Cousins. The Skins GM dumped him and now signs the great one Case. Talk about dumb. That's throwing the season out the window.

Our team has had QB issues for as long as Spielman has been GM because the GM is horrible at evaluating QB talent. He backed himself into a corner and had to choose between, grossly overpaying for a .500 QB, taking a huge risk on Teddy's knee, or starting over from square one with Case as a caretaker QB for Jackson or some other rookie. That decision doesn't happen if the clown didn't panic and trade the most reliable resource for getting a franchise QB, for a bad QB in Sam Bradford. Spielman is the victim of his own poor decisions at QB, not bad luck.

Brady has this team competing for a SB in 2018, btw. He would have somehow managed to make do with a top 5 D, top 5 WR corp, and an offensive line that gave its QB an above average time to throw and a top 10 lowest sack rate. Somehow the GOAT would have made that work...

Brady's team will win the division again. It's a QB league and there isn't one team in that division that has a good QB. Those GMs know QBs? None of them know a thing about QBs. How do they have jobs when they know less than Speiman about QBs. I know they are all rebuilding again. As I stated in our history we have had one QB and even he was traded. Grant never developed a QB. When Tark retired it was Tommy who was groomed. What GM/coach would put that clown in as the long term guy? Not a very smart move. And worse was to stick with a dumb decision forever. How can anyone stick with that weak arm stiff for more than a couple of seasons. He better pick Lock if he is there at 18 otherwise I will say he doesn't know QBs.

[StumpHunter]

Our team has had QB issues for as long as Spielman has been GM because the GM is horrible at evaluating QB talent. He backed himself into a corner and had to choose between, grossly overpaying for a .500 QB, taking a huge risk on Teddy's knee, or starting over from square one with Case as a caretaker QB for Jackson or some other rookie. That decision doesn't happen if the clown didn't panic and trade the most reliable resource for getting a franchise QB, for a bad QB in Sam Bradford. Spielman is the victim of his own poor decisions at QB, not bad luck.

Brady has this team competing for a SB in 2018, btw. He would have somehow managed to make do with a top 5 D, top 5 WR corp, and an offensive line that gave its QB an above average time to throw and a top 10 lowest sack rate. Somehow the GOAT would have made that work...

Brady's team will win the division again. It's a QB league and there isn't one team in that division that has a good QB. Those GMs know QBs? None of them know a thing about QBs. How do they have jobs when they know less than Speiman about QBs. I know they are all rebuilding again. As I stated in our history we have had one QB and even he was traded. Grant never developed a QB. When Tark retired it was Tommy who was groomed. What GM/coach would put that clown in as the long term guy? Not a very smart move. And worse was to stick with a dumb decision forever. How can anyone stick with that weak arm stiff for more than a couple of seasons. He better pick Lock if he is there at 18 otherwise I will say he doesn't know QBs.

Not sure what teams from the 70s 80s and 90s have to do with Rick.

Signing a washed up McNabb wasn't enough for you, drafting Ponder wasn't enough, signing Cassel wasn't enough, trading away a 1st for a garbage QB wasn't enough, and overpaying for a .500 QB wasn't enough, but not drafting Lock at 18 will convince you the guy knows nothing about QBs?

[PurpleKoolaid]

You have to remember, Rick doesnt know a thing about QBs. Nothing. He has proven this time and time again, and never ever has a back that he is grooming. He prefers the Sam Bradford/Kirk Cousins types, overpay and hope someone else coached them up. He is quite simply horrible at his job, but so many fans are fine with mediocrity. Year after year, its the same thing.

He's not the only one. Denny G is put on a pedestal and he was worse than anyone. Finks and Grant wasted unbelievable defense with bums like Quzzo, Lee, Snead and even Kapp until they woke up and traded for Tark. Speilman had zero choice. He knew he had a bum with Case and said see ya. What GM would sign that guy? He's been with two teams since Speilman dumped him. So how great are those GMs? He's grooming Sloter but the chance of that working is slim. Our team has had QB issues since the start. The only HOFer they had was traded and then reacquired. Even this guy Watson who many are bragging about the Texans aren't sure if they want to give him a huge deal. Why is that? Would the greatest QB ever, Brady, lead our team to a Super Bowl? IMO no way. I keep hearing how great Jimmy G is and he doesn't even play. How dumb is that GM. The NFL is short on QBs. The new trend is running QBs. This isn't college. These are bigger and faster players than in college. Running QBs will get killed eventually. You better have three of them. Many teams were after Cousins. The Skins GM dumped him and now signs the great one Case. Talk about dumb. That's throwing the season out the window.

I dont know if your on speed or if thats the way you type, and expect people to understand the point you are trying to make. Its annoying. You realize Case had the most wins out of the other bums Rick signed or drafted right? Rick has NO insight when it comes to QBs, he lucked on Case being a better backup than anyone thought.

[PurpleKoolaid]

And do you get a dollar for every time you mention Lock's name? You really think he would be there at # 18? Or that Rick would ever move up to draft a QB. Ricks fails, then panics, there isnt going to be a Lock waiting for us.

[CharVike]

He's not the only one. Denny G is put on a pedestal and he was worse than anyone. Finks and Grant wasted unbelievable defense with bums like Quzzo, Lee, Snead and even Kapp until they woke up and traded for Tark. Speilman had zero choice. He knew he had a bum with Case and said see ya. What GM would sign that guy? He's been with two teams since Speilman dumped him. So how great are those GMs? He's grooming Sloter but the chance of that working is slim. Our team has had QB issues since the start. The only HOFer they had was traded and then reacquired. Even this guy Watson who many are bragging about the Texans aren't sure if they want to give him a huge deal. Why is that? Would the greatest QB ever, Brady, lead our team to a Super Bowl? IMO no way. I keep hearing how great Jimmy G is and he doesn't even play. How dumb is that GM. The NFL is short on QBs. The new trend is running QBs. This isn't college. These are bigger and faster players than in college. Running QBs will get killed eventually. You better have three of them. Many teams were after Cousins. The Skins GM dumped him and now signs the great one Case. Talk about dumb. That's throwing the season out the window.

I dont know if your on speed or if thats the way you type, and expect people to understand the point you are trying to make. Its annoying. You realize Case had the most wins out of the other bums Rick signed or drafted right? Rick has NO insight when it comes to QBs, he lucked on Case being a better backup than anyone thought.

So Case is the reason why we won 13 games. OK I got it. Since Rick has zero insight who do you suggest we get for a QB? I don't see one out there. Maybe someone else does. Hopefully that's more clear.